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December 30, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
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The reality is the Situation, when You are filled by Zionist Media with hate to muslims, when the terrorists are created by CIA, and have no points in Islam or Quran.
This is a situation, when the ignorance of people is serving the Zionist Point of view.

Fucking liras from TV are creating false imagenary in the society attribuiting to the wrong side the shit of terrorism.
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December 30, 2016, 03:32:31 PM
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So what? A bunch of Muslims (or others, for all we know) are trying to start up a new version of Islam. Don't we have enough varieties already?

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December 30, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
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What is Islam?

http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/

Check this text.

1. It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas without all the necessary learning requirements. Even then fatwas must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also forbidden to cite a portion of a verse from the Qur’an—or part of a verse—to derive a ruling without looking at everything that the Qur’an and Hadith teach related to that matter. In other words, there are strict subjective and objective prerequisites for fatwas, and one cannot ‘cherry-pick’ Qur’anic verses for legal arguments without considering the entire Qur’an and Hadith.

2. It is forbidden in Islam to issue legal rulings about anything without mastery of the Arabic language.

3. It is forbidden in Islam to oversimplify Shari’ah matters and ignore established Islamic sciences.

4. It is permissible in Islam [for scholars] to differ on any matter, except those fundamentals of religion that all Muslims must know.

5. It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.

6. It is forbidden in Islam to kill the innocent.

7. It is forbidden in Islam to kill emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to kill journalists and aid workers.

8. Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose and without the right rules of conduct.

9. It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief.

10. It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat—in any way—Christians or any ‘People of the Scripture’.

11. It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the Scripture.

12. The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished by universal consensus.

13. It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert.

14. It is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights.

15. It is forbidden in Islam to deny children their rights.

16. It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments (hudud) without following the correct
procedures that ensure justice and mercy.

17. It is forbidden in Islam to torture people.

18. It is forbidden in Islam to disfigure the dead.

19. It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God.

20. It is forbidden in Islam to destroy the graves and shrines of Prophets and Companions.

21. Armed insurrection is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear disbelief by the ruler and not allowing people to pray.

22. It is forbidden in Islam to declare a caliphate without consensus from all Muslims.

23. Loyalty to one’s nation is permissible in Islam.

24. After the death of the Prophet, Islam does not require anyone to emigrate anywhere.
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December 30, 2016, 02:44:02 PM
#29
What is Islam?
Is Islam simply people who say they are Islam?
Is Islam people who have any beliefs they want?
Or is Islam the people who do what the Koran says?

The Koran says, be peaceful to other Muslims.

The Koran says, convert other people to Islam.

The Koran says, kill people who won't convert.

The Koran says, kill Muslims who stop being Muslims.

The peaceful Muslims are not killing people who won't convert. Because of this, they are not Muslim, even if they say they are.

ISIS is true Muslim. They kill people who won't convert, and they kill people who were Muslim but stopped being Muslim, even if those people still SAY they are Muslim.

ISIS is true Islam.

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December 30, 2016, 02:20:35 PM
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and compare to Islamic ones

I have no idea, about what are You here.
Muslims are fighting against ISIS, they stay on the side of "normal people".
The Jihadi salafists are acting against the Sharia Law and against the Quran, this is a totalitarian sect.
Just find the letter, that i noticed here, there is described what is the difference between Islam" and this shitty sect, created by CIA in Afghanistan with the "Freedom Fighter mr. Bin Laden".

Some "muslim" episodes are around the Israel state. But there is a exchange of hate.
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December 30, 2016, 01:46:13 PM
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But how come there are no christians blowing themselves up or flying planes into buildings?

Just check on Ireland clashes and catolic bombs against protestants in GB.
Check out about religious clashes in India.

Ok, fair enough but then let's tale all of those incidents, combine them and compare to Islamic ones. Then try to gather up as much as you can from all other religions and I'll gather up from islamic ones so we can compare.
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December 30, 2016, 01:12:23 PM
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But how come there are no christians blowing themselves up or flying planes into buildings?

Just check on Ireland clashes and catolic bombs against protestants in GB.
Check out about religious clashes in India.
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December 30, 2016, 01:10:39 PM
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number of victims of traffic accidents


I will need to make a trip around of 3500 km.
Train is much better.

And that fucking Wikipedia statistic not include all Aircraft incidents, they count only "commercial flights".
For example this Month in Russia have crushed 2 Aircrafts with passengers, but they was "military Aircrafts", and they goes not in statistic.
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December 30, 2016, 01:05:57 PM
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by not killing off the infidels who won't change and become Muslims

This is not required by Quran.
They have the opportunity to communicate the point of view, but anyone have the right to remain on own feeling in this area.
Many of muslims offer to non muslims to be muslims. The only reason of that is the conviction that they become the place in paradise for converting almost 1 man to Islam.

Only the knowledge of Quran and Shariah law is the way to combat the islamofobia.

But how come there are no christians blowing themselves up or flying planes into buildings? I mean if both religions are the peaceful ones but how does only quran get so misunderstood that makes them go suicide bombing?
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December 30, 2016, 12:53:59 PM
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I need to say, that i have no fear to fly on aircrafts. I consider them unsafe and extremely dangerous in case of problems.
I feel, that i will newer fly again.

It is pure FUD. If you analyse number of people who died in aircraft accidents and number of victims of traffic accidents, it will become clear that your chances of dying while plane crash is extremely low.
From what I know it is like 1:20.000.000 chance that the plane you are on will crash. Fear of flying is not backed by any real data.
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December 30, 2016, 09:27:38 AM
#22
death to non-Muslims who won't be converted (infidels)

There is no such requests, they offer the conversion or to join, but with no constriction.
Find this "Letter to ISIS" in English, there are many points of Islamic Study to put out from being "muslim" the salafi jihadists.
The URL have detailed description of all that rules (In Russian).

Again - An Nisa, 4:59
This is a Why all those fucking Forced Democratisation in Syria is a Salafi Jihadists job, and muslims are fighting them.

The real thing, that reading Quran is useless thing, there is so much Data, the normal man have no chance to hold that all in the head.

People use the Shariah Law for living rules.


Why don't you just state that you are not going to read or understand what the Koran says as indicated here http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm ? Explanations are given as to why the Koran says what it means, and is not taken out of context regarding its violence directives.

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December 30, 2016, 09:02:55 AM
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death to non-Muslims who won't be converted (infidels)

There is no such requests, they offer the conversion or to join, but with no constriction.
Find this "Letter to ISIS" in English, there are many points of Islamic Study to put out from being "muslim" the salafi jihadists.
The URL have detailed description of all that rules (In Russian).

Again - An Nisa, 4:59
This is a Why all those fucking Forced Democratisation in Syria is a Salafi Jihadists job, and muslims are fighting them.

The real thing, that reading Quran is useless thing, there is so much Data, the normal man have no chance to hold that all in the head.

People use the Shariah Law for living rules.
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December 30, 2016, 08:27:29 AM
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If Shariah Law does NOT follow the Koran, then it is not Islamic, and the clerics are liars.

LOL, this is a point of all salafi jihadists, they have no clue on whole text of Quran, have no education and are guided by CIA instructors to fight enemies of CIA owners.

The point is that the Sharia law of many countries is based on Quran and the understanding of the contest.

Just check the data about the Quran knowledge by ISIS fighters, they have comunicate to have low knowledge of Quran in 80% of cases.

This is the same point of You - taking out the text with have no idea about the modern Islamic World.

Study of Quran and the Sharia law help to see clearly, who is a salafi jihadist sectant and who is a muslim.
They are not the same.

Do You will call some FLDS dude as "cristian"?

Is there in english
  
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 Open letter of 126 scentists of the Islamic world, addressed to the leader of IGIL ("Islamic state" in Iraq and Sham, or "Islamic state" in Iraq and the Levant), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

Just listen it, and You will see the Why salafi jihadists are not muslims.
http://azan.kz/article/show/id/6900.html

An Nisa, 4:59 - No way to make the ribellions against the Head of the State, army or police.
All countries are permitting to mislims to execute their religion, so, no ways for rebellion.
All those Jihadists are in hard contrast with this section of Quran.

The context of the Koran is peace to Muslims (who pay their taxes), temporary peace to non-Muslims while conversion is being attempted, death to non-Muslims who won't be converted (infidels), death to Muslims who fall away from Islam.

So-called Islamic fanatics like ISIS, are simply a little too zealous for the Islamic religion. But they are this way because the other Islamites are not doing their job of killing infidels the way they should have been all along.

This is what the whole religion of Islam boils down to. Saying more than this simply clouds the truth of Islam.

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December 30, 2016, 07:52:08 AM
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If Shariah Law does NOT follow the Koran, then it is not Islamic, and the clerics are liars.

LOL, this is a point of all salafi jihadists, they have no clue on whole text of Quran, have no education and are guided by CIA instructors to fight enemies of CIA owners.

The point is that the Sharia law of many countries is based on Quran and the understanding of the contest.

Just check the data about the Quran knowledge by ISIS fighters, they have comunicate to have low knowledge of Quran in 80% of cases.

This is the same point of You - taking out the text with have no idea about the modern Islamic World.

Study of Quran and the Sharia law help to see clearly, who is a salafi jihadist sectant and who is a muslim.
They are not the same.

Do You will call some FLDS dude as "cristian"?

Is there in english
  
Quote
 Open letter of 126 scentists of the Islamic world, addressed to the leader of IGIL ("Islamic state" in Iraq and Sham, or "Islamic state" in Iraq and the Levant), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

Just listen it, and You will see the Why salafi jihadists are not muslims.
http://azan.kz/article/show/id/6900.html

An Nisa, 4:59 - No way to make the ribellions against the Head of the State, army or police.
All countries are permitting to mislims to execute their religion, so, no ways for rebellion.
All those Jihadists are in hard contrast with this section of Quran.
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December 29, 2016, 05:11:35 PM
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There is more. Look up the link.

What is that about??
The rules of how to be a "muslim"? This is not my Business, how they need to deal in it.
The correct message of Quran is traduced in Sharia Law.

The Shariah Law explain clear the right to be non muslim.
I'm not a muslim and this is protected by Shariah Law and Quran.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5293/5521198901_a9ba98972c.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2Ix6qKXFH0E/UmfsKl3KlPI/AAAAAAAAAag/QfASbNfqrlE/s1600/IMG_3542.jpg

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cf77be3aa5dd1377d1368a2a674fa707-c?convert_to_webp=true

If You have questions call someone in Grozny, they will teach You about Islam.
They beat shit out from salafi jihadists, that have no idea in Quran and are conducted by such similar listening of Quran "to kill" etc.

All Islam is based in the Koran and Hadiths. If Shariah Law does NOT follow the Koran, then it is not Islamic, and the clerics are liars. What I was showing you is that Islam is NOT a religion of peace to people other than Muslims. And, it essentially is not a religion of peace even to Muslims.

I certainly am not trying to get you to look at the stuff that I posted. I am simply trying to explain that the general understanding of Muslims, that their religions is one of peace, is wrong understanding. The stuff I posted is there for anyone who wants to see that I am not making this up.

Jihadists follow Koran Law better than the peaceful Muslims. It is written in the Koran, and I showed some of the Koran sites, above.

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December 29, 2016, 04:51:53 PM
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There is more. Look up the link.

What is that about??
The rules of how to be a "muslim"? This is not my Business, how they need to deal in it.
The correct message of Quran is traduced in Sharia Law.

The Shariah Law explain clear the right to be non muslim.
I'm not a muslim and this is protected by Shariah Law and Quran.







If You have questions call someone in Grozny, they will teach You about Islam.
They beat shit out from salafi jihadists, that have no idea in Quran and are conducted by such similar listening of Quran "to kill" etc.
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December 29, 2016, 03:52:50 PM
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by not killing off the infidels who won't change and become Muslims

This is not required by Quran.
They have the opportunity to communicate the point of view, but anyone have the right to remain on own feeling in this area.
Many of muslims offer to non muslims to be muslims. The only reason of that is the conviction that they become the place in paradise for converting almost 1 man to Islam.

Only the knowledge of Quran and Shariah law is the way to combat the islamofobia.

Violence against infidels IS required by the Koran. From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

 

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

 

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

 

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

 

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

 

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

 

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

 

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

 

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

 

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"  Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

 

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember." 

 

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

 

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

 

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

 

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."  According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

 

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

 

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."  The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously holy war.

 

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."  This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

 

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."  See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."  Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

 

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."  How does the Quran define a true believer?

 

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

 

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."  Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

 

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude."  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

 

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

 

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."   "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context.  It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."  Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test.

 

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"   

 

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."  Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.'  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

 

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"  Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.

 

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"  Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."  (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

 

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success."  This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

 

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."  The root word of "Jihad" is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

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December 29, 2016, 07:58:15 AM
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by not killing off the infidels who won't change and become Muslims

This is not required by Quran.
They have the opportunity to communicate the point of view, but anyone have the right to remain on own feeling in this area.
Many of muslims offer to non muslims to be muslims. The only reason of that is the conviction that they become the place in paradise for converting almost 1 man to Islam.

Only the knowledge of Quran and Shariah law is the way to combat the islamofobia.
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December 28, 2016, 08:25:43 PM
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if you're a muslim probably by

What does You calling as "muslims" the jihadi salafists sectants?
They are acting against the Quran.


They might be acting against the Koran. But if they are, it is because the peaceful Muslims are acting against the Koran more by not killing off the infidels who won't change and become Muslims.

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December 28, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
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if you're a muslim probably by

What does You calling as "muslims" the jihadi salafists sectants?
They are acting against the Quran.


I have no idea what you just said, but that was a joke. Maybe you didn't take it as one but, trust me, it was a joke.

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