Affiliates (Paid Streamers) - Fair or Not to other non-paid gamblers?

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on September 04, 2021, 02:45:17 PM

If you are gullible enough to imagine that the amount of money spent in these streamers stream is actually their money and they are gambling fairly then you definitely need to stay away and not watch them at all. These are just entertainers who are gambling so that you could see how they win money and go do the same but end up with a loss, it is marketing and marketing serves only one purpose, to make more money to you. If I spend a million dollars on marketing but get nothing in return, why would I spend that money?

Actually...

There are legitimate streamers who play with their own money and do $10k~ bets. That is why people tend to have trouble differentiating between the people who are actually legit and people who are simply playing with house money.

At least get people to put a disclaimer that they're playing with fake money before they are allowed to stream, Twitch.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

https://logincasino.org/article/how-much-do-twitch-streamers-make-on-casino-partnerships65068.html <== Top Streamers make from $100 000 pm.

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

In my opinion it is fair. They also use the money to to play slots, meaning, those paid streamers are also competting it is just the money that were given to them was from the casino. I think it's fair since the casino could still lose from that scenario if that streamer's slot journey that they was very bad.
Now, I think it will only be unfair if those paid streamers accounts will have higher RTP on those games than those that aren't paid (I don't know if it is possible). I can say that's manipulation if they are doing that, and they shouldn't be trusted and be tagged as scam.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

like a company pays an influencer to promote its business. I think it's still fair if it's still in the context of how their promotion works with influencers who they think are suitable for their marketing targets. and usually they get what they win and a certain max. the only people who know how their partnership works are only them.

There is nothing bad and unfair about influencers getting paid highly due to there activities in promoting a gambling platform and getting share from the pool which is the money from there work input. Only those who are in to the business knows that, there is nothing like being unfair in this matter. If anyone feels it is unfair then , get what it takes to be a good influencer and get into the business, competition is allowed.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 30, 2021, 09:20:06 AM

Now the question is this.... If Casino's give a lot of money to certain people to gamble and Slots are based on a combined "Pool" of money to make up the RTP for an individual Slot... are other non-paid gamblers not competing for wins against the "House"?

When you gamble on say, "Fruit Party" and your bets goes into a "Pool" for someone to win big, are you not funding the big wins seen on these Slots by gamblers that are being paid to play? (What risk do they have, if they play with the casinos money?)

Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

If you are gullible enough to imagine that the amount of money spent in these streamers stream is actually their money and they are gambling fairly then you definitely need to stay away and not watch them at all. These are just entertainers who are gambling so that you could see how they win money and go do the same but end up with a loss, it is marketing and marketing serves only one purpose, to make more money to you. If I spend a million dollars on marketing but get nothing in return, why would I spend that money?

It is not just acknowledgement and PR for me, it is also about making more money back because of it, and that is why all of these are usually fake, sure there could be real people but they are usually not watched as much as others because the moment you start to get watched then casinos will start to throw cash at you and that is why you will eventually be corrupted and take it, who can say no to thousands of dollars constantly given to them?

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Quote from: Woodie on September 03, 2021, 04:06:32 PM

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Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

I feel this is a valid point and Syztmz argument holds water, you wagering with your money gives you a non compete chance against the house that's banking more money than the players themselves and based on the probability of the game streamers play longer because of the casino funded accounts which gives them higher chances of winning the jackpots. Btw the casino is the real winner in all this despite sponsoring some streamers to play on their platform but not to be harsh on the streamers its all part of marketing hope twitch finds a win win solution for all.

I think that it makes a lot of sense to fund some good gamblers to do casino promotions, and go against the house to get the audience interested in Streamer games. Even though this is a casino advertising method, of course the casino also acts as if it is fair and tries to convince other users that what the Streamer is playing is a gambling game without engineering or without casino interference.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 03, 2021, 12:20:17 AM

Promotion is just part of their strategy to get more players to gamble and one of these is having the large names streamers try to gamble to their platform of course they are giving them a token so they can gamble but AFAIK it's just a limit token like the worth of $1000 for their promotion if and just only for whole gambling not to make a withdrawal because they have a separate payment regarding with that. Too hard to believe those steamers that they got a huge profit when playing in this platform because they are paid its just a strategy.

We can't really trust those streamers because they are part of the casinos and his winnings might not be real, and maybe that's the fund of the casinos. I also believe that he is being paid enough but not much, beside streamers are not just earning from this promotions they are also earning much more on their social accounts when they stream, so this can still be a win win situation for the streamers, this is fair and legal.

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Quote from: semobo on September 03, 2021, 04:16:17 PM

It depends on which side you are! Grin

But the end result is same both are playing with real money while one with their own money and other with the sponsored money which is extreme two sides so its not comparable.

Affiliated streamers simply play to make money for the streaming time not from the wins or loss so he can keep betting and betting which will look extremely unfair to a non affiliated one no one is forcing the streamer to play with his own money and taking risk of losing them.

Casinos arent obliged on paying up on someone who had been willing to advertise them but if they do really have that consideration then they can always contact that certain streamer or advertiser but
on general sense its a self-will or decision to air on it without being affiliated on the site neither its just a person choice because there are people who do really love to make content on things which they
are interested into and its not always mean that they do need some payment or something like that but its good if they would really be getting some recognition but
dont expect much for that thing to happen.

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It depends on which side you are! Grin

But the end result is same both are playing with real money while one with their own money and other with the sponsored money which is extreme two sides so its not comparable.

Affiliated streamers simply play to make money for the streaming time not from the wins or loss so he can keep betting and betting which will look extremely unfair to a non affiliated one no one is forcing the streamer to play with his own money and taking risk of losing them.

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Syztmz (Streamer not using Affiliate money) had a heated discussion on his last Stream about him having to compete with his own money, against Affiliate Streamers that are using Casino money. ( I think he lost something like $100 000 on his last 13 hour stream session )

I feel this is a valid point and Syztmz argument holds water, you wagering with your money gives you a non compete chance against the house that's banking more money than the players themselves and based on the probability of the game streamers play longer because of the casino funded accounts which gives them higher chances of winning the jackpots. Btw the casino is the real winner in all this despite sponsoring some streamers to play on their platform but not to be harsh on the streamers its all part of marketing hope twitch finds a win win solution for all.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 03, 2021, 03:13:02 AM

but me personally , I am not into streamers instead i am learning with my own way and that is to observe and study first before betting .

You don't need to be a streamer if you're just betting on your own personal game and not being exposed to the media. As for the streamers do it for the sake of content and have more followers than before. Even the streamers seem to give the audience the tricks he uses. But in fact such tricks do not apply to other gamblers.

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everyone entitles to their own business and marketing strategy , and casino owners find this kind of advertising functional and being great way to lure gamblers .

and besides gamblers nowadays are bright and mindful they will never be fooled with such way, but of course they will find this attractive .

but me personally , I am not into streamers instead i am learning with my own way and that is to observe and study first before betting .

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I'm not sure if I could understand it well, so the casino hire a streamer and use the casinos money to fight with the pool versus own money or individual players? I really think that the advantage would go into casino since they do have a lot of money versus individual and non-paid gamblers. Let's come to think of it, even though they are not going to use a streamer they can create an account themselves and compete with the individual players.

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Quote from: ninkdwi on September 02, 2021, 03:14:35 PM

because from the very beginning their goal is not to gamble but to work, because it is like gambling but it really isn't.
they only do promotional work on behalf of themselves even though it has been set in such a way to make it look like real.
but this is just a job they do for profit and for those who watch shows like this and believe that it is genuine it is their aim to get traction so that the place or site they promote can run well so that they too can be well paid .
regardless of their reaction or fun and MMR they don't care about it all they care about is work, promotion in gambling, getting paid and done nothing more.

Then wouldn't it be the same for professional gamblers? By that logic, then their reactions and whatnot are pretty much fake as well. I may be going out of topic here, but the same could be said for other professional sports players out there who receive money via advertisements and whatnot. They receive money just by playing, so does that mean they aren't really playing? The perspective you're looking at from affiliates seem to force them to be the wrong ones when in reality, they're just doing their jobs while most likely enjoying the game no? You're pretty much indicating that work shouldn't be fun or something lmao.

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Promotion is just part of their strategy to get more players to gamble and one of these is having the large names streamers try to gamble to their platform of course they are giving them a token so they can gamble but AFAIK it's just a limit token like the worth of $1000 for their promotion if and just only for whole gambling not to make a withdrawal because they have a separate payment regarding with that. Too hard to believe those steamers that they got a huge profit when playing in this platform because they are paid its just a strategy.

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for me this isn't fair because obviously they are always Positive in their statements and act towards the said casino pointing how good this be and never shown leakage or mistakes things that we know not always happening .
many casinos are taking advantage of players who has no deep knowledge towards online gambling and even if they are getting scammed still they are running nothing to act.
for me streamers must not be trusted in their reviews towards specific casino instead lets look at them as misleading us just to favor for his compensation .

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Quote from: harizen on September 02, 2021, 06:34:39 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 02, 2021, 08:24:11 AM

This creates a level of unfairness on the part of the viewers as this convinces them to gamble at a certain gambling website.

That was the goal, to convince people. And I don't know how it became unfair. At the end of the day, viewers have their own preference if they will gamble on that site or not.

I agree. Why is it being unfair when the casinos themselves are actually spending a good deal of money so that their sites would reach their desired audience? Isn't it pretty normal and expected from any business to invest money in whatever ways possible for as long as they're legal so that they will be able to attract users, in this case gamblers?

These casinos are just promoting their sites. They are not forcing gamblers to jump ship or play at their sites. They're just trying to attract them.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 02, 2021, 08:24:11 AM

Unfortunately, the popularity of gambling websites being affiliated by some streamers are widespread nowadays.

Why it became unfortunate? That's the usual way now of promoting certain services today not just on a gambling site. We can't do something about it if there are still streamers who are paying on their own to promote a site. The moment they entered the streaming industry, it's already obvious that they need to spend money first coming from their own pocket to build a reputation before getting the attention of the business owners e.g gambling site operators.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 02, 2021, 08:24:11 AM

This creates a level of unfairness on the part of the viewers as this convinces them to gamble at a certain gambling website.

That was the goal, to convince people. And I don't know how it became unfair. At the end of the day, viewers have their own preference if they will gamble on that site or not.

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It is all fair, casino owners fund them and streamers are responsible for bringing new blood to the casino. Many streamers live with the referral earnings, it is a very nice amount considering the 0.3% of the total house edge earnings that is over 1% in most cases. It is not fair to compete with paid fake streamers for the raw cash gamblers, Syztmz is the only one I know only winning with raw cash real balance.

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Quote from: Wexnident on September 02, 2021, 07:38:19 AM

I think calling the behavior fake 100% is a bit too much. They may be using money not really from them, but the games they are playing are still being played by them. They are still, technically, the ones experiencing the wins and losses in that match. It's like saying someone has no reaction to dropping the mmr of a friend's account since it's his friend's account and not his, right? There may be a difference between losing your money and losing others, but it wouldn't be 100% fake, there would still be some disappointment that stemmed from yourself in there.

because from the very beginning their goal is not to gamble but to work, because it is like gambling but it really isn't.
they only do promotional work on behalf of themselves even though it has been set in such a way to make it look like real.
but this is just a job they do for profit and for those who watch shows like this and believe that it is genuine it is their aim to get traction so that the place or site they promote can run well so that they too can be well paid .
regardless of their reaction or fun and MMR they don't care about it all they care about is work, promotion in gambling, getting paid and done nothing more.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on August 31, 2021, 06:28:17 PM

I wish mcdonald's and assorted fast food franchises would give out more food vouchers to those willing to stream themselves eating in their restaurants. It seems like a natural progression. With the advent of the internet and live streaming the trend may be inevitable. I think the novelty factor will eventually wear thin as people become desensitized to the advertising and hype.

If a streamer can gamble with $100,000+ and fail to profit. That could make for a good crash test dummy system.

I still think sports gambling is the best chance many would have for consistently being profitable in gambling. Gaming and dice aspects are too non-deterministic.

If they gave me $100,000 to gamble on sports & stream it. There's a chance I'll be walking away with more than $100,000. And that's how it should be.

Don't think that's the point here, though.

It's about how the audience is getting the impression that winning is a lot more likely and easier than it is.

Seeing a balance of $100k+ that is fake when you have just a few hundred dollars in your bank account gives you the wrong idea and you tend to think that you are able to make that same profit by gambling on the site that these people are promoting.

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