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Quote from: cafter on April 18, 2023, 03:56:24 AM

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Money grab, Fast crash, Manipulation?

These arent new things on any market including crypto space.There would be always those people who would really be sitting on the top of the spot or on peak place which they do have the capacity
on moving out markets according into their likes.This is where manipulation would really be that very common to happen but of course there's no way on spotting it out.
Once you do step your foot into this market then you should really be that able to accept on whats the risks.

Thing here is that you do know on how to ride with the waves or flow because if you do make yourself get affected that much with so much FUD.
On the time that you are really that getting sufficient knowledge and experience then you would be able to handle yourself into this market which it would really be just that normal
that you would be having some impulsive approach but once you do able to have that qualities then you could really be able to handle yourself.

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Quote from: worle1bm on April 22, 2023, 03:00:56 AM

Whales usually manipulate the market as they have huge chunk of the supply so they can create pump dump situation in the market.Suppose they start putting more investments in particular coin the trend lines for it will show profit to normal people but in reality they are fake pumps so when there is more investment they start cashing out and when liquidity is not there as they sell lot of coins the value goes down so it's manipulation.You should focus on coins working and why it's rising rather then investing solely because it's in the hype because most of the traders are unable to cash out fast when it's rising so it's more risk to them.

Manipulation is the trend in the market, most traders tends to listen to the trend instead of price actions. These manipulation are set by whales in the market inother to trapped average traders and move the market to their personal interest. Fake pumps are probably formulated for the purpose of luring traders to create believe that the bull market is here, it's only a glitch. I've been in that situation countless times, but my first experience, I lost heavily to the glitch because I sold all my coins and bagged altcoins hoping for a better pump, only to find out it was a glitch.

Indeed, it is unfortunate that a plenty of traders are getting manipulated by whales, this minority who own a huge amounts of top cryptocurrencies( such as Bitcoin and Ethereum ) have the ability to control the market and cause pump and dump whatever they want to , through moving their funds. In fact, the media news are also dominated by them. It is really important to make some researches before following the trend taking any decisions. Plus, don’t believe any you see in social media, it is completely widespread with fake information , technical analyses and expectations. In addition to that, be aware of fake dumps and pumps. They be rising some digital currencies specifically shit ones with fake volume by purpose.

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Market manipulation has occurred for a long time (a relatively long period), because there is a correlation between economic conditions and market pressure and, therefore, the rate of the manipulation is low (so we can assume that in the future the manipulation will become less and less) so when the market is going down and the currency price keeps dropping, market pressure on it will be more and more, which will push the trend line down and lower prices and will ultimately lower the price, however, because of this we have to be ready to adjust in the market situation.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 26, 2023, 12:12:00 AM

Institutions use all the information that they have available to try to predict what the market may do, they use fundamental analysis to try to determine what it may happen, and then they use technical analysis to try to determine when this could happen, however big companies can afford to do this as they have the money and the human resources to do this, while someone trading on their own needs to pick one of those two trading styles as otherwise they will have no time to do some other activities that require their attention.

Any analysis that will be to their advantage will be used by them. They wouldn't just enter a market without being prepared, they're here to make money but it's bad for them that if they go ignorant without doing these preparations, they're just throwing all that they've got.
As these institutional companies have people that they've hired to do specific job descriptions as you've said, they've hired people that will trade for them and they're not just hired for nothing but they do background checking and have shown them real results for which these companies can capitalize and take benefit from.

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The trend lines and indicators are very important, and you can expect that there will be a tendency for these kind of
instrument to fail.

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Quote from: Mauser on April 23, 2023, 04:54:04 PM

Yes institutions use technical analysis for their trading signals. There are basically two camps of traders, one that focus more on fundamentals and the overall economic picture, and the ones that use past trading data to analyse for trends. Most companies these days will likely use a mix of the two and don't focus solely on one category. It's true that there is market manipulation, but I think in most cases it's only short term manipulation because it takes a lot of money and effort to pump or dumb prices for a long period of time. In any case it's advisable to always check our trading strategies and see how reliable the reading signals are. I would never rely on only one indicator to give me a trend. A mix of short, medium and long term indicators is the best way to not fall for a manipulated price.

Institutions use all the information that they have available to try to predict what the market may do, they use fundamental analysis to try to determine what it may happen, and then they use technical analysis to try to determine when this could happen, however big companies can afford to do this as they have the money and the human resources to do this, while someone trading on their own needs to pick one of those two trading styles as otherwise they will have no time to do some other activities that require their attention.

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Quote from: cafter on April 18, 2023, 03:56:24 AM

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Trendline matters because it aligns with the support and resistance. Support and resistance are basically highs and lows in the markets. Where the highs and the lows in the markets is where the order resides. Where the order resides is where you can find liquidity. That is when and where the liquidity grab occurs. When sell side liquidity taken before going higher, or inversely buy side liqudity taken before trading lower. That's how manipulation works. Usually correlated with multiple assets with news impacts.

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Quote from: cafter on April 18, 2023, 03:56:24 AM

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Yes institutions use technical analysis for their trading signals. There are basically two camps of traders, one that focus more on fundamentals and the overall economic picture, and the ones that use past trading data to analyse for trends. Most companies these days will likely use a mix of the two and don't focus solely on one category. It's true that there is market manipulation, but I think in most cases it's only short term manipulation because it takes a lot of money and effort to pump or dumb prices for a long period of time. In any case it's advisable to always check our trading strategies and see how reliable the reading signals are. I would never rely on only one indicator to give me a trend. A mix of short, medium and long term indicators is the best way to not fall for a manipulated price.

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Let me put it this way if I may, Structures exist only so it could manipulated, same goes for trend line, that's why they came hand with a general education of how you should trade and where your stops will be... The education make the retail a fodder. Yes market moves in trend but they can just move in and out of trend at their and that is BS.

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The market capitalization of the market is what determines manipulation and you cant use the institution's way of investment to term your prediction because they mainly invest in the market for the long term so there's no need for prediction when the investment decision is for the long-term the only thing you need to make sure is that you're not buying at the ATH price.

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Quote from: worle1bm on April 22, 2023, 03:00:56 AM

Whales usually manipulate the market as they have huge chunk of the supply so they can create pump dump situation in the market.Suppose they start putting more investments in particular coin the trend lines for it will show profit to normal people but in reality they are fake pumps so when there is more investment they start cashing out and when liquidity is not there as they sell lot of coins the value goes down so it's manipulation.You should focus on coins working and why it's rising rather then investing solely because it's in the hype because most of the traders are unable to cash out fast when it's rising so it's more risk to them.

Manipulation is the trend in the market, most traders tends to listen to the trend instead of price actions. These manipulation are set by whales in the market inother to trapped average traders and move the market to their personal interest. Fake pumps are probably formulated for the purpose of luring traders to create believe that the bull market is here, it's only a glitch. I've been in that situation countless times, but my first experience, I lost heavily to the glitch because I sold all my coins and bagged altcoins hoping for a better pump, only to find out it was a glitch.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 19, 2023, 08:56:06 AM

Cryptocurrency is a manipulative market, I would say it is the most manipulated, even bitcoin is still being manipulated rather than based on supply and demand. Bitcoin has the largest market cap, accounting for almost half of the market cap, so it can be said to be a bit more difficult to manipulate than shitcoin.
As a manipulated market, so I always tell people not to trust technical analysis too much. We can use technical analysis, whales can also use it to see the market situation. But we don't have much money, and whales are people with a lot of money, so they can make the market move at will.

I do agree that bitcoin is harder to manipulate using money, because not that many people have billions to manipulate the market easily. However, we should also remember that alts could change the market as well, such as Luna crashing to zero thanks to someone spending less than half a billion dollars, still a lot of money, but the price of bitcoin went super low because of that, meaning something like 300 million could drop bitcoin price indirectly as well.

Or FTX bankrupting is a good example as well. All in all there is also media, such as Elon saying something that makes doge go up but btc goes up a bit those days too. So it is still manipulated, maybe indirectly via other coins, but that doesn't mean never.

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Whales usually manipulate the market as they have huge chunk of the supply so they can create pump dump situation in the market.Suppose they start putting more investments in particular coin the trend lines for it will show profit to normal people but in reality they are fake pumps so when there is more investment they start cashing out and when liquidity is not there as they sell lot of coins the value goes down so it's manipulation.You should focus on coins working and why it's rising rather then investing solely because it's in the hype because most of the traders are unable to cash out fast when it's rising so it's more risk to them.

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Quote from: cafter on April 18, 2023, 03:56:24 AM

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

That is all you can see in the market and traders make this a factor decide of what they gonna do next. It really matters of course as it gives us traders hints as to rather go along with the trend created by these manipulators rather than go against it.
If you are exposing yourselves to trading, you can really say how important it was in dealing with this volatile market. Too hard to predict without basis and so with the help of these things charts, trade lines, etc...you'll somehow make way better at achieving your goal.

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Quote from: Taskford on April 21, 2023, 09:32:34 AM

For all such things and to avoid get hit by manipulation techniques made by those institutional investors you should learn to settle up with the profits you are already accumulated. And never believe on the fuds and hype they created since you might get caught empty handed if you keep following what those guys do. Its important for us to stick our own plan and execute it very well, although there's nothing bad to follow with the trend but you make sure everything is falling good in your hands.

Exactly, one of the best ways to avoid being manipulated is simply by ignoring what you can find on the internet about the movements of the market and only rely on yourself and the analysis you have made of the market, and while no one is perfect and we all make mistakes that posture is way better for the development of a trader an investor, as even if you are wrong this will give you insights about why this was the case and you will be able to make some important corrections to your analysis, which will allow you to eventually improve your skills as a trader.

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Quote from: cafter on April 18, 2023, 03:56:24 AM

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Until now, there is still manipulation happening in the market and that will not go away, each individual trader is arguing about how to perform technical and fundamental analysis.

And the indicators are still used by most traders, even the trend line, those are important and they help a lot anyway, not even 100% but I'm sure the chances are more than 50%...

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Quote from: tjtonmoy on April 21, 2023, 07:52:15 AM

It is better not to choose those and stick to Bitcoin. Check the history, you will know.

I think it is better for people who have doubt on certain projects to stick with bitcoin because the history of bitcoin is there open to the public and the information contained on the past records are not hidden. They say the devil that you know is better than the angel that you don't know. This is very important to avoid being scammed by projects only out to get investors money with no value and soon disappear out of the circle of cryptocurrency.

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For all such things and to avoid get hit by manipulation techniques made by those institutional investors you should learn to settle up with the profits you are already accumulated. And never believe on the fuds and hype they created since you might get caught empty handed if you keep following what those guys do. Its important for us to stick our own plan and execute it very well, although there's nothing bad to follow with the trend but you make sure everything is falling good in your hands.

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Trend line and this kind of news to manipulate the market has no effect on the long run. It's just a small-time pump or dump scenario. This kind of FUD only has effect on newbies and those who are unable to control their emotions. Do you think they do this for fun? No, they have their own benefits in it.

But if you are going to hodl for a long period of time, you can see that this kind of manipulation doesn't work. This is why is it important to see the past and present of price chart and get a good understanding on what the future holds. What are the those cryptos that can be manipulated, you may ask. Only those which are centralized. It is better not to choose those and stick to Bitcoin. Check the history, you will know.

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Quote from: cafter on April 18, 2023, 03:56:24 AM

Many times we see in news and articles about market manipulation, after that i think, why this trend lines and indicators matters,

do institutions are also following indicators and trend lines? yes, manipulation but that manipulation is for liquidity grab.

but after all they also predict by trend lines and indicators? why trend lines matters?

Even without those news and articles about the market manipulation, trend lines and indicators are already there long time ago. They are part of trading and trading analysis. They are very important that every professional traders are using them in order to improve their trading performances but it is still great if you just realize their importance lately although it's normal for a newbie in trading to disregard them at first as they look complicated and we all know the newbies, they always rush to do trading and make a quick profit.

Institutions are mainly investors but if some of them are into trading then yes, they use indicators and trend lines too because they are professional.

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