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Quote from: Xal0lex on April 11, 2024, 10:07:42 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2024, 07:52:34 AM

Just seen this but I just suggested in the Staff sub that some sort of AI detection should be implemented on the forum which auto scans a user's post and notifies them if AI has been detected etc. If something isn't done about it half the board is just going to be AI responses. It's not even Newbies that are doing it but some lazy higher ranked members trying to rinse sig campaigns with no effort.

I'm personally not against such a feature, but... To have posts automatically scanned, you need to choose a service that will do this. Today, almost all services for detecting content written by AI are far from perfect. Which one should you choose if all of them can produce erroneous detection? There will be a large number of threads on Meta with outrage from users who disagree with their posts being labeled as AI-written. At one time, by the way, I gave examples of AI text detection services mistakenly recognizing innocuous text as AI text.

Is there a superior one? What you could have is it just alerting the user that their post had been detected at whatever percentage and to urge caution before posting or only consider posting if they haven't used an AI tool.

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In confirmation of my words above. Here are two examples. Two outrage threads would have appeared by already

Example 1

Quote from: Lucius on April 11, 2024, 07:47:32 AM

I believe that laziness is only one of the reasons why more and more people are using AI for their posts on the forum, and as I already wrote in the previous post, I believe that the real problem is that AI has already positioned itself as something normal. You can also read on this forum that the same is used for the purpose of "beautifying" posts and even in the academic communities of some countries.

Of course, rich companies and individuals are behind everything, because no one invented AI to help make the world better, but to profit from it. I assume that in a few decades, human creativity and the level of brain use will decrease significantly, because we will not think about anything and all our problems will be solved by AI.

Example 2

Quote from: Odohu on April 10, 2024, 10:09:32 AM

I have noticed an increased in the number of newbies using AI to make their posts, maybe they think that is the way to impress the older members of the forum. It is rather unfortunate that many of them are too lazy to at least read the forum rules that forbids such actions, hence the corresponding increase in newbie accounts being banned. I do not know what will be the solution but I think that any new member who cannot read the rules of the forum and who is not ready to learn and contribute to discussion base on his knowledge but resort to copying and pasting garbage from AI do not deserve to be here.

This is what I'm talking about.

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The question is, does the current forum software support adding any automated checker for AI content? I don't think it does.
Using an AI bot to write posts instead of you is a modern type of plagiarism. You can't find a source from where the text was copied/stolen from, but it still fulfills the requirements of being considered plagiarized.

1. You used someone else's thoughts. It doesn't matter if it's a real person writing on a website or AI.
2. You didn't credit the original source.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on April 11, 2024, 07:52:34 AM

Just seen this but I just suggested in the Staff sub that some sort of AI detection should be implemented on the forum which auto scans a user's post and notifies them if AI has been detected etc. If something isn't done about it half the board is just going to be AI responses. It's not even Newbies that are doing it but some lazy higher ranked members trying to rinse sig campaigns with no effort.

I'm personally not against such a feature, but... To have posts automatically scanned, you need to choose a service that will do this. Today, almost all services for detecting content written by AI are far from perfect. Which one should you choose if all of them can produce erroneous detection? There will be a large number of threads on Meta with outrage from users who disagree with their posts being labeled as AI-written. At one time, by the way, I gave examples of AI text detection services mistakenly recognizing innocuous text as AI text.

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Quote from: SamReomo on April 04, 2024, 05:41:10 AM

The following is the thread that's generated with AI AI generated thread, and I have already reported that thread to moderators and administrators so that they could remove that thread.

Can we have a feature where the AI generated content automatically get flagged as AI generated content so the reputed members may not reply to that post/thread and just report it when they see that flag. I mean if it's possible to make a patch where users get information about AI generated content then they may not waste their precious time in replying to such posts/thread which aren't written by a human but are generated by bots. I need your valuable feedback and I also want to know that is it even possible to make a patch that could flag such content?

Just seen this but I just suggested in the Staff sub that some sort of AI detection should be implemented on the forum which auto scans a user's post and notifies them if AI has been detected etc. If something isn't done about it half the board is just going to be AI responses. It's not even Newbies that are doing it but some lazy higher ranked members trying to rinse sig campaigns with no effort.

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Quote from: tranthidung on April 10, 2024, 08:19:47 AM

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The root and biggest cause is laziness.

I believe that laziness is only one of the reasons why more and more people are using AI for their posts on the forum, and as I already wrote in the previous post, I believe that the real problem is that AI has already positioned itself as something normal. You can also read on this forum that the same is used for the purpose of "beautifying" posts and even in the academic communities of some countries.

Of course, rich companies and individuals are behind everything, because no one invented AI to help make the world better, but to profit from it. I assume that in a few decades, human creativity and the level of brain use will decrease significantly, because we will not think about anything and all our problems will be solved by AI.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 10, 2024, 08:10:02 AM

As far as older members replying in such a thread, I'll bet you that's going to happen a lot unless or until the majority of them (including myself) start running text through an AI detector prior to making a post. And Jesus H. Christ, what a pain in the ass that none of us should ever fucking have to do.

There's really no need for that as common sense should be enough. Rule of thumb: if a newbie account writes a guide or a wall of text in native-level English, it's likely AI-generated, therefore avoid replying.

Quote from: Odohu on April 10, 2024, 10:09:32 AM

It is rather unfortunate that many of them are too lazy to at least read the forum rules that forbids such actions, hence the corresponding increase in newbie accounts being banned.

Don't you worry, they know the rules well and they are perfectly aware of what they are doing as that's usually not their first account here.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 05, 2024, 04:39:10 PM

Using face validity to check AI-generated content might be highly deceptive. I read that one of the ways of identifying them is that they usually have no grammatical or spelling errors. But with the popularity of Grammer checking tools like Grammerly which help writers to produce close-to-perfect writing, this method of identifying these AI writing will not work. As Lucius rightly pointed out, the best option is to check these suspected posts in more than one detecting software.to check its authenticity.

you're right, i may later in the nearest future begin to make use of some of these tools in checking for those plagiarists in disguise for the use of AI in making their post and using the excuse that they only do such in other to make their content carry the weight of thoughts they would have desired to see in them, which all these are flimsy excuses, so as suggested, we can make use of more than one checking tools to confirm the level of how true a post content could be AI generated.

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I have noticed an increased in the number of newbies using AI to make their posts, maybe they think that is the way to impress the older members of the forum. It is rather unfortunate that many of them are too lazy to at least read the forum rules that forbids such actions, hence the corresponding increase in newbie accounts being banned. I do not know what will be the solution but I think that any new member who cannot read the rules of the forum and who is not ready to learn and contribute to discussion base on his knowledge but resort to copying and pasting garbage from AI do not deserve to be here.

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Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on April 10, 2024, 12:57:46 AM

So tools such as Grammarly aren't comparable with AI language models such as ChatGPT, and people using Grammarly or related tools are not doing anything wrong, in my opinion.

Yes, you are correct that Grammarly Tools does not generate AI. I did not see any way to write it. We who write use Grammarly after writing because these tools correct the small mistakes in our writing. Grammarly is never an AI generator. Chatgpt is a writing AI but not a grammatically generated writing system. Grammarly makes our writing beautiful by correcting small mistakes. It's a good tool for us.

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Quote from: Lucius on April 10, 2024, 05:24:50 AM

Such people no longer think like people, but behave like bots controlled by artificial intelligence. Therefore, anyone who ignores this problem is actually just a participant in that circus, and anyone who talks to AI bots will sooner or later become an AI bot themselves.

First, they don't have enough knowledge to answer an question, issue by themselves.
Second, they rely on given answers from AI and automatically consider it is a correct and best one.
Third, they can be very lazy to research and find answers for any question, issue.

The root and biggest cause is laziness.

Like I said to you, I did not check posts that whether they are plagiarized or AI-generated but if I feel it is not organic, human-generated, I mostly skip those topics because I simply feel commenting in such ones is stupid.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on April 04, 2024, 06:09:31 AM

As things stand, there will come a point where fighting the AI will be like trying to dry ice with a cloth... A never-ending fight, unfortunately

Well said. I wanted to check out the thread OP was referencing, but *fortunately* it's already been nuked.

As far as older members replying in such a thread, I'll bet you that's going to happen a lot unless or until the majority of them (including myself) start running text through an AI detector prior to making a post. And Jesus H. Christ, what a pain in the ass that none of us should ever fucking have to do.

My fears of severe, cockroach-like contamination of the forum by assholes using AI seem to be coming true. OP, you said the creator of the thread you referenced was a newbie, and I'm assuming the quality of writing in it was above average with respect to newbie English proficiency. That should be a huge red flag on this forum, i.e., any time you see a very low-ranked member who registered recently writing something that could appear in a blog or a legit article, there's a big chance there was some help from something that isn't human. I didn't get the chance to see the thread, so I don't know who the member was who wrote it. I'll have to finish reading everything here to see if it's mentioned.

Ugh. Ugh!

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Quote from: tranthidung on April 05, 2024, 08:15:14 AM

Quote from: Lucius on April 05, 2024, 07:56:16 AM

Those who do not check if they are communicating with AI could often find themselves in a situation where their posts are deleted as a result of the entire thread being deleted.

I don't check whether a topic is created by AI but by glance at it, if I feel it is a zero-value, plagiarism, AI, just possibly in my thinking, I will skip it. Like you shared, such threads have high probability to be trashed.
It's not about my posts will be trashed together with that thread, but basically it is time wasting to reply in a zero-valued topic.

In general, it is not good or correct to consider every good post written by a complete beginner or some low rank for plagiarism or AI content, but if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion, at least 70% of the topics started by beginners were just created with the help of AI tools. What seems to me is that this AI mania has spread so much among people that the public opinion has already formed that the use of artificial intelligence is something completely normal.

I agree that using it has some good applications in society, such as using it in healthcare or helping to solve things that can improve the lives of people on this planet, but it is completely wrong for people to think that someone asks something to an AI chat bot, and then that answer "paste" on the forum and pretend that he wrote it.

Such people no longer think like people, but behave like bots controlled by artificial intelligence. Therefore, anyone who ignores this problem is actually just a participant in that circus, and anyone who talks to AI bots will sooner or later become an AI bot themselves.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on April 06, 2024, 01:17:08 AM

It will depend on each individual case. Usually, content that is written with assistance from Grammarly will not raise the same red flags as something that is almost entirely written with ChatGPT.

Grammarly can't be compared with AI text models because Grammarly only helps you rectify what you have written and it doesn't write everything itself most of the time, it won't even correct wrongly constructed sentences but only misplaced words or wrong spellings and stuff. I use Grammarly as well because it's a useful tool that helps you find small mistakes in what you write that you might not notice normally. However, what I write is my own thoughts and it is exactly what I want to write unlike AI-generated text which is not what you think but everything is generated by itself.

So tools such as Grammarly aren't comparable with AI language models such as ChatGPT, and people using Grammarly or related tools are not doing anything wrong, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Fiatless on April 05, 2024, 04:39:10 PM

Using face validity to check AI-generated content might be highly deceptive. I read that one of the ways of identifying them is that they usually have no grammatical or spelling errors. But with the popularity of Grammer checking tools like Grammerly which help writers to produce close-to-perfect writing, this method of identifying these AI writing will not work. As Lucius rightly pointed out, the best option is to check these suspected posts in more than one detecting software.to check its authenticity.

The typical methods of identifying AI-written content are also not always reliable because most chatbots and rewriting tools now have premium settings which allow users to generate more human-like text. I’ve also seen campaign cheaters in the forum who seem to intentionally add misspellings and wrong punctuations to try and bypass detectors.

It will depend on each individual case. Usually, content that is written with assistance from Grammarly will not raise the same red flags as something that is almost entirely written with ChatGPT.

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Quote from: tranthidung on April 05, 2024, 08:15:14 AM

Quote from: Lucius on April 05, 2024, 07:56:16 AM

Those who do not check if they are communicating with AI could often find themselves in a situation where their posts are deleted as a result of the entire thread being deleted.

I don't check whether a topic is created by AI but by glance at it, if I feel it is a zero-value, plagiarism, AI, just possibly in my thinking, I will skip it. Like you shared, such threads have high probability to be trashed.

It's not about my posts will be trashed together with that thread, but basically it is time wasting to reply in a zero-valued topic.

Using face validity to check AI-generated content might be highly deceptive. I read that one of the ways of identifying them is that they usually have no grammatical or spelling errors. But with the popularity of Grammer checking tools like Grammerly which help writers to produce close-to-perfect writing, this method of identifying these AI writing will not work. As Lucius rightly pointed out, the best option is to check these suspected posts in more than one detecting software.to check its authenticity.

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Hello
online tests to check whether content is linked to artificial intelligence are unfortunately unreliable.
I've sometimes found that my own texts were considered to have been written by an AI, but with certain prompts it was the opposite: they weren't detected Tongue

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(it's a joke Grin

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I can't really understand their real interest and it's making me giddy.
I asked the question on the French side of the Forum, but nobody seems to be using it ;-)

to be continued Grin

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Quote from: Lucius on April 05, 2024, 07:56:16 AM

Those who do not check if they are communicating with AI could often find themselves in a situation where their posts are deleted as a result of the entire thread being deleted.

I don't check whether a topic is created by AI but by glance at it, if I feel it is a zero-value, plagiarism, AI, just possibly in my thinking, I will skip it. Like you shared, such threads have high probability to be trashed.

It's not about my posts will be trashed together with that thread, but basically it is time wasting to reply in a zero-valued topic.

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Quote from: SamReomo on April 04, 2024, 05:41:10 AM

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Many of the reputed members of the forum have replied in that thread without noticing that the content was AI generated and the one who posted it used AI content generators to create the content of that thread.

I try to check every OP before answering, especially if it's newbies and classic shitposters - but we can't expect all members to have such high standards when it comes to fighting against AI, plagiarism, spam and low value posts. Those who do not check if they are communicating with AI could often find themselves in a situation where their posts are deleted as a result of the entire thread being deleted.

Quote from: SamReomo on April 04, 2024, 05:41:10 AM

Can we have a feature where the AI generated content automatically get flagged as AI generated content so the reputed members may not reply to that post/thread and just report it when they see that flag.
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I don't think it's something achievable, and I wonder how it would even be possible to have something like that on the forum. After all, anyone can check every post in at least three AI detectors in less than 1 minute - you open three detectors in three tabs and paste the post - if all detectors show that it is AI content, instead of the post, make a report to the moderator.

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Quote from: SamReomo on April 04, 2024, 05:41:10 AM

Can we have a feature where the AI generated content automatically get flagged as AI generated content so the reputed members may not reply to that post/thread and just report it when they see that flag. I mean if it's possible to make a patch where users get information about AI generated content then they may not waste their precious time in replying to such posts/thread which aren't written by a human but are generated by bots. I need your valuable feedback and I also want to know that is it even possible to make a patch that could flag such content?

The problem with these AI tools is that there are no standard means of measuring and identifying posts written by AI. Most of the members that engage in searching for these AI-generated contents have to rely on more than one detector and it is really hard work. Having such a package that could identify these artificially generated texts will be ideal because it will save lots of stress for these hardworking members who detect these cheats and it will also keep the forum clean. I have always thought that some features will be difficult to implement in some platforms but the advancement in technology has proved that nothing is impossible.

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