AI generated content by newbies - page 2.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 13, 2024, 12:06:55 PM

Quote from: Tungbulu on April 13, 2024, 11:44:46 AM

By asking why, I mean what's the point of using AI when they know fully well their accountcould be implicated and banned. If/when they're caught, their dream of joining a campaign and being paid would be jeopardized. So what's the point of taking such a risk?

This is because one person does not have such accounts one at a time. There are always several of them. If one is caught, a second one appears. LoyceV once remarked that such a hunt is similar to fighting with windmills. But there are such stupid people who, either out of laziness or lack of, as you put it, generation of good posts, having high ranks, still use AI. They probably think that if there are a lot of people on the forum, they will be able to get lost in the crowd.
Check the topic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.480

Lol to think that the user was even lying even when the evidence were obvious and clear Cheesy

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It's funny and ridiculous at the same time. Really, rather than going through all the stress of allowing people to lie even in the face of their guilt. The forum should make provision for an in-built auto plagiarism/ai content generator detector.
It'll help reduce the rate of AI usage on this forum. It really getting out of hand.

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Quote from: Lucius on April 13, 2024, 04:18:53 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on April 12, 2024, 09:44:27 AM

I was exactly using one of the sapling.ai services you listed. I surprise how he showed you that the text was written by a human being. To me, he showed me exactly what is depicted in the picture. I just checked, the result is the same. Here's the link https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/6fc838e1ded0328166a01e86611debff (expires after 3 Days).

It is definitely one of the worst AI detectors that I personally had a bad experience with because I accused someone of using AI based on the results of the same. I don't know why it didn't show me the same result yesterday, but that's just another proof that the same detector should not be used.

Nevertheless, this detector is on the list of recommended detectors in this topic. According to my observations more less adequate detector is contentatscale (not advertising).

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Quote from: CODE200 on April 13, 2024, 02:24:19 AM

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 04, 2024, 12:39:24 PM

Unfortunately, not all content written by AI is removed from the forum. I recently sent a lot of reports on AI, but the moderators deleted only a few. It is not clear for what reason, although the evidence was one hundred percent.
In addition, some users continue to respond to the topic, even when you clearly state that the topic is plagiarism. After it is deleted, users understand that they need to read the warnings.
Therefore, until there are explicit rules against AI and until posts are deleted for everyone, not just beginners, you need to fight AI only in the Nutildah topic.

Probably the best thing that we can do in the case like these is to ignore AI generated posts, once it's been pointed out that it is an AI generated content then you just ignore it so it will get buried eventually, these AI posters don't like the idea that they're prompt is ignored so that's one of the things that we can do to discourage such posts.

How do you ignore a problem with hopes that it goes away? Even though it was stated that the post is AI generated, the post can still be merited by a member who doesn't know and didn't read up to the comments that states that the post is AI generated.

If an AI post isn't deleted it will be calculated as part of the activity points of that user and if the post is merited, it could make the user rank up which is very discouraging when you think about it because a lot of people would want to do the same. Also their post would be counted at the end of the week by campaign managers. That could turn the forum into something else.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 13, 2024, 04:07:45 AM

I've got to read this thread closely and see about which AI-detecting tool would best suit my needs, because I think I'm going to have to start using one eventually.

I use copyleaks to detect AI generated content. I've not been using it for very long so I can't confidently vouch on how reliable it is but so far it has been very accurate. Also the minimum

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Quote from: Tungbulu on April 13, 2024, 11:44:46 AM

By asking why, I mean what's the point of using AI when they know fully well their accountcould be implicated and banned. If/when they're caught, their dream of joining a campaign and being paid would be jeopardized. So what's the point of taking such a risk?

This is because one person does not have such accounts one at a time. There are always several of them. If one is caught, a second one appears. LoyceV once remarked that such a hunt is similar to fighting with windmills. But there are such stupid people who, either out of laziness or lack of, as you put it, generation of good posts, having high ranks, still use AI. They probably think that if there are a lot of people on the forum, they will be able to get lost in the crowd.
Check the topic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.480

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 13, 2024, 10:31:16 AM

Quote from: Tungbulu on April 13, 2024, 05:19:35 AM

Like why on earth would a Newbie or any member of this community use an AI content generators to write contents here, I mean who are they tryna impress here?

They are trying to impress other members in order to get merit, which means getting to higher ranks which then equals to making money via signature campaigns. As simple as that.

Quote from: Tungbulu on April 13, 2024, 05:19:35 AM

I may be a newbie ranked user but I've been here for quite a while and I've been really observant with how things are done here.

I guess you didn't observe that well if you wonder why newbies use AI tools. Wink

Yeah I get the point. That was supposed to be a rhetorical question.
I know the reason why Newbies use AI content generators is because they lack the ability to generate and come up with good and constructive contents, so they rely on AI to help them do the heavy lifting so they can make an impression and earn merit to grow their account and join a signature campaign and start getting paid. Yeah I know all that.

By asking why, I mean what's the point of using AI when they know fully well their accountcould be implicated and banned. If/when they're caught, their dream of joining a campaign and being paid would be jeopardized. So what's the point of taking such a risk?

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Quote from: Tungbulu on April 13, 2024, 05:19:35 AM

Like why on earth would a Newbie or any member of this community use an AI content generators to write contents here, I mean who are they tryna impress here?

They are trying to impress other members in order to get merit, which means getting to higher ranks which then equals to making money via signature campaigns. As simple as that.

Quote from: Tungbulu on April 13, 2024, 05:19:35 AM

I may be a newbie ranked user but I've been here for quite a while and I've been really observant with how things are done here.

I guess you didn't observe that well if you wonder why newbies use AI tools. Wink

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I don’t worry about ai typing. I worry about hi quality ai images. videos and the like.

If you generate a convincing ai video and use a guy like me as a sponsor of the “new” gear ripping off tens of thousands of dollars would be easy.

I would say there are 20 people in the mining section I would trust with a lot of coin/fiat. If anyone of them supports a project using a great set of faked videos a very large theft could be done.

It is a tough reality when no audio or video or image is trustworthy unless you did them yourself.

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Posters who use AI to generate posts, spam the forum and wear signature to earn from campaign need to sit back, breath deeply and think what they will do if they have two options to choose.

Stop using AI, post naturally with their brain and continue to be worn signature.
Continue using AI, post like a robot, and theymos will disable all signature in the forum. This idea was raised by theymos years ago before he decided to launch merit system.

Ideas for improving post quality?

Quote from: theymos on December 17, 2017, 07:54:08 PM

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

- Removing signatures or sig ads globally.

theymos will not ignore AI-generated endemic in Bitcointalk if it becomes worse.

Let me repeat. It's a Bitcoin forum, not an AI forum Cheesy

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Quote from: CODE200 on April 13, 2024, 02:24:19 AM

There's probably thousands of reports and they're only far too few in between so they're having a hard time trying to do it in a fair way, at the least that's what they can do right? If they ever became complacent though and tried to expedite the process, they might accidentally include bad reports that would led to these good posts or standard posts from getting removed. Probably the best thing that we can do in the case like these is to ignore AI generated posts, once it's been pointed out that it is an AI generated content then you just ignore it so it will get buried eventually, these AI posters don't like the idea that they're prompt is ignored so that's one of the things that we can do to discourage such posts.

Are you serious Shocked

? Quite a convenient position for a spammer. Do you know how easy it is to create a post that distorts information using AI? Why communicate on the forum at all when, among normal posts, we will see such a mess? In addition, do you agree to compete fairly on the forum with a robot? What if accounts that use AI offer themselves as members of a signature company, thereby displacing you? What breeding and farming opportunities will there be in this case? Do you know the reason for introducing the merit system?
Wouldn't AI ignoring posts be like the time before merit was introduced?

In addition, AI posts will soon take on a human form, and until we learn to expose and prohibit them, are you willing to give up your place in a signature company to the tenth alternative account? The financial issue, in addition to valid and correct information, is a sore point for those who need to sober up and begin to understand the harm of AI.

Edit : But who am I telling this to? I have read your trust. Angry

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Quote from: Nwada001 on April 04, 2024, 05:52:32 AM

Some AI-generated posts, if you read through them, you can ordinarily guess they are AI-generated before you can use any tool to confirm your suspicions. The way most newbies are found if using AI to generate text most of the of the time, I ignore some of their long paragraph threads without even giving them a second thought.

Although it is good to use Ai tool to be very sure before accusing someone of using Ai to make post but I can beat my chest that majority of Ai content doesn't necessarily need tool before detecting that they are Ai generated content. The language pattern, the grammatical arrangement and punctuations properly used are enough to tell between a human created content and Ai generated content. Of course, there are people who can write perfectly giving due consideration of grammar and punctuation but the language flows will be much different as compared to that of AI.

Quote from: JeromeTash on April 11, 2024, 12:11:18 PM

What I know is that this will increase the workload on Mods. Perhaps the forum could introduce a special task force of Mods who will be dealing with AI related posts, just like the forum formed the cryptios team to deal with account recoveries?

It's definitely increase the workload and that will call for more mods to be appointed. I think the forum is short of mods for quite some time now because some boards (LB) are yet to be assigned a mod. With this recent development of fighting against Ai, there's a little bit of task for Forum admins if they eventually want to implement such measures.

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Like why on earth would a Newbie or any member of this community use an AI content generators to write contents here, I mean who are they tryna impress here?
I may be a newbie ranked user but I've been here for quite a while and I've been really observant with how things are done here. The forum isn't a place to come and show up knowledge that you don't even have, it's rather a community that avails user with useful informations and learning materials to help you develop your knowledge in various areas that concerns Bitcoin, cryptocurrency at large and other topics.

That being said, using of AI content generators goes against everything the forum stands for. Sometimes I wonder what perspective people have about this community or what their referees tell them is happening here that they'll consider using of AI as an option to create contents here.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on April 12, 2024, 09:44:27 AM

I was exactly using one of the sapling.ai services you listed. I surprise how he showed you that the text was written by a human being. To me, he showed me exactly what is depicted in the picture. I just checked, the result is the same. Here's the link https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/6fc838e1ded0328166a01e86611debff (expires after 3 Days).

It is definitely one of the worst AI detectors that I personally had a bad experience with because I accused someone of using AI based on the results of the same. I don't know why it didn't show me the same result yesterday, but that's just another proof that the same detector should not be used.

Quote from: Pmalek on April 12, 2024, 11:00:32 AM

Here's the link https://sapling.ai/ai I guess the detection algorithm is quite bad. Just to check, I tried it on my own post that I made in this thread. At least it provided a good result in my case. My post is 0.1% fake, meaning 99.9% isn't AI generated.
Lucius is probably a hybrid. Part human, part robot. His most recent post is about 6% AI-generated. The human part of him wrote most of it. Can't help but laugh at that.

@Lucius I think it's the long sentences that make the algorithm classify your post as AI-written. Try to shorten them in meaningful short sentences. You don't have to post them again. Just play around with it if you are interested to see the results.

Perhaps the mission of that detector is to convince us all that our thinking is somewhat already managed by AI - but that does not mean that I will change my habits to avoid his bad detection Wink

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Quote from: dkbit98 on April 12, 2024, 12:53:51 PM

Whenever I am checking if member is using AI tools for writing their posts I am checking all their post history, not just a single suspicious post.

I think I said this before, but as a merit source it's disheartening to think it's come to that. I've been mulling over my long-standing offer of post history reviews, but if I have to check multiple posts on a single member's profile just to see if they're written with AI or help from AI, that could turn into a full time job.

I've got to read this thread closely and see about which AI-detecting tool would best suit my needs, because I think I'm going to have to start using one eventually. And Jesus, me being pretty dang tech-ignorant presents a challenge I'm presently too torpid to take on. Foxpup, grant me strength!!

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on April 04, 2024, 12:39:24 PM

Unfortunately, not all content written by AI is removed from the forum. I recently sent a lot of reports on AI, but the moderators deleted only a few. It is not clear for what reason, although the evidence was one hundred percent.
In addition, some users continue to respond to the topic, even when you clearly state that the topic is plagiarism. After it is deleted, users understand that they need to read the warnings.
Therefore, until there are explicit rules against AI and until posts are deleted for everyone, not just beginners, you need to fight AI only in the Nutildah topic.

There's probably thousands of reports and they're only far too few in between so they're having a hard time trying to do it in a fair way, at the least that's what they can do right? If they ever became complacent though and tried to expedite the process, they might accidentally include bad reports that would led to these good posts or standard posts from getting removed. Probably the best thing that we can do in the case like these is to ignore AI generated posts, once it's been pointed out that it is an AI generated content then you just ignore it so it will get buried eventually, these AI posters don't like the idea that they're prompt is ignored so that's one of the things that we can do to discourage such posts.

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I don't want to automate anything related with AI, and don't fully trust any tool that is checking for AI generated posts, but using multiple tools is making those chances much higher.
Whenever I am checking if member is using AI tools for writing their posts I am checking all their post history, not just a single suspicious post.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on April 12, 2024, 09:44:27 AM

I was exactly using one of the sapling.ai services you listed. I surprise how he showed you that the text was written by a human being. To me, he showed me exactly what is depicted in the picture. I just checked, the result is the same. Here's the link https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/6fc838e1ded0328166a01e86611debff (expires after 3 Days).

I guess the detection algorithm is quite bad. Just to check, I tried it on my own post that I made in this thread. At least it provided a good result in my case. My post is 0.1% fake, meaning 99.9% isn't AI generated.
Lucius is probably a hybrid. Part human, part robot. His most recent post is about 6% AI-generated. Grin

The human part of him wrote most of it. Can't help but laugh at that.

@Lucius I think it's the long sentences that make the algorithm classify your post as AI-written. Try to shorten them in meaningful short sentences. You don't have to post them again. Just play around with it if you are interested to see the results.

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Quote from: Lucius on April 12, 2024, 04:46:04 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on April 11, 2024, 10:44:06 AM

In confirmation of my words above. Here are two examples. Two outrage threads would have appeared by already

Example 1

Quote from: Lucius on April 11, 2024, 07:47:32 AM

I believe that laziness is only one of the reasons why more and more people are using AI for their posts on the forum, and as I already wrote in the previous post, I believe that the real problem is that AI has already positioned itself as something normal. You can also read on this forum that the same is used for the purpose of "beautifying" posts and even in the academic communities of some countries.

Of course, rich companies and individuals are behind everything, because no one invented AI to help make the world better, but to profit from it. I assume that in a few decades, human creativity and the level of brain use will decrease significantly, because we will not think about anything and all our problems will be solved by AI.

I don't know what tool you used, but it's obviously one of those AI detectors that will mark every post as AI - I checked my post with 3 different detectors (sapling, zerogpt, gptzero) and all three detect the post as human written.

I was exactly using one of the sapling.ai services you listed. I surprise how he showed you that the text was written by a human being. To me, he showed me exactly what is depicted in the picture. I just checked, the result is the same. Here's the link https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/6fc838e1ded0328166a01e86611debff (expires after 3 Days).

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Quote from: Xal0lex on April 11, 2024, 10:44:06 AM

In confirmation of my words above. Here are two examples. Two outrage threads would have appeared by already

Example 1

Quote from: Lucius on April 11, 2024, 07:47:32 AM

I believe that laziness is only one of the reasons why more and more people are using AI for their posts on the forum, and as I already wrote in the previous post, I believe that the real problem is that AI has already positioned itself as something normal. You can also read on this forum that the same is used for the purpose of "beautifying" posts and even in the academic communities of some countries.

Of course, rich companies and individuals are behind everything, because no one invented AI to help make the world better, but to profit from it. I assume that in a few decades, human creativity and the level of brain use will decrease significantly, because we will not think about anything and all our problems will be solved by AI.

I don't know what tool you used, but it's obviously one of those AI detectors that will mark every post as AI - I checked my post with 3 different detectors (sapling, zerogpt, gptzero) and all three detect the post as human written. Therefore, in case the forum decides to use an AI detector, the best one should be chosen - although I think it's a bad idea considering that every post should be checked with at least 3 detectors to be able to tell if the post is AI generated or not.

I think that the forum just needs to introduce zero tolerance to the use of AI for posts, as is the case with plagiarism. Forum members know that using AI is still in the gray zone, that's why they behave the way they do.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on April 04, 2024, 06:09:31 AM

Here on the forum I find it difficult to implement this, perhaps some user can create a script to facilitate verification and then anyone who wants can join the script... I also don't know if this is easy or if it is possible to create

As things stand, there will come a point where fighting the AI will be like trying to dry ice with a cloth... A never-ending fight, unfortunately

Different people that only have Telegram or this forum as their only means of connection would probably have a difficult time piecing a code together and it's difficult to adapt to how someone does their code compared to yours, maybe it's not that difficult to adopt because people use Stackoverflow to improve their codes and find what's wrong in their own codes. In regards to fighting AI-generated content, as AI improves, so does the AI detection contents, which means that we can never be too worried that people will try to be sneaky and create an AI-content that would get unnoticed, maybe in this instance of AI-content that's posted, we just got so used to people quickly reporting these types of posts that we thought none would get past us.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on April 11, 2024, 10:07:42 AM

I'm personally not against such a feature, but... To have posts automatically scanned, you need to choose a service that will do this. Today, almost all services for detecting content written by AI are far from perfect. Which one should you choose if all of them can produce erroneous detection? There will be a large number of threads on Meta with outrage from users who disagree with their posts being labeled as AI-written. At one time, by the way, I gave examples of AI text detection services mistakenly recognizing innocuous text as AI text.

Maybe the tool can just help flag off the posts that are potentially AI generated, and then the mods can cross-check those few posts with a couple of other available AI tools. Or even go through the User's history to check for potential AI generated posts before issuing a warning, deleting or banning the user.

What I know is that this will increase the workload on Mods. Perhaps the forum could introduce a special task force of Mods who will be dealing with AI related posts, just like the forum formed the cryptios team to deal with account recoveries?

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