Topic: AI generated content by newbies (Read 1005 times)

enhh, it's really pathetic!
I can remember writing on several topics, disposing the ideas of acquiescing AIs on the forum; AIs have done more harm already than it intends to do good in here... What's really disturbing is that so many people seem not to see anything wrong with it.
Detectors could be wrong too, For sure!! Nevertheless, it's always very obvious in some cases, even without them

What is only given them the privilege to continue with the use of AI in generating their post is because such is not against the rules and regulation of the forum, why have they stopped plagiarizing when they realized that such is the quickest means to get banned, if we can identify any post content that has AI generated post, with proven evidence using more than one AI detector, then such could be reported and members can take necessary action in giving them tags as it may applies.

i only see it that its for those who are lazy to make a constructive post from their head and present such will be the ones using AI to make post, this is only because they feels like they are been covered and wont get banned, unlike when it is direct plagiarism, but on a real sense, are they the actual author to those contents? are they not indirectly plagiarizing, the use of AI is nothing than a bad habit which we should all be frown at, we need genuine posters who will tell us something directly from how they feels and not stealing other peoples opinion and post.

I just took the list of recommended detectors from the aforementioned thread and checked two random posts with those detectors. To show that detectors can be wrong. That's exactly what happened.

It's best if we do it ourselves. You can guess that the post was created using AI. This is a complicated problem and affects the forum for AI detection features to check and report a user may get away with it but soon it can be removed regardless of all posts it may be a problem in the future .

I don't know why it is on the list (still), because @nutildah surely knows that this detector gives false positive results in most cases. Considering that this detector is the last one on the list, how did you come up with the idea of checking posts with it?

Basically, look at the post from @Odohu, which is just one more in a series of confirmations that only small changes can show completely different results.

Most definitely, any content that's not entirely written by human or the writing skill/pattern/idea wasn't initially yours but generated by AI or a website and altered by human and presented to be his own idea is considered to be plagiarism and fake.

Although, people can do researchs and gain knowledge online or from other sources and then come to share the knowledge, but it shouldn't be copy pasted, and there should be need to referencing when necessary.

If you mean that well-edited and paraphrased is to completely edit the whole content, do we still consider it as AI-generated content? As I said, there will always be a trace and we can investigate the post history of that user to quality check the posts if there are traces of using AI-generated content.

In the end, it will be our responsibility to provide proof if we think that a certain user is using AI to produce the content of his post.

Posts that are under 10,000 characters, which most posts on this forum are, will have a higher rate of false positive. In my experience, Sapling.ai has one of the highest rates of falsely saying something was generated with AI, that’s why I only use it as evidence in an accusation when at least 2 or more other AI detectors agree with it. In your case, I checked your post on three other detectors which appear highly in search results and the results were 0% probability on two of them and the third was only 5% probability of being AI-generated.

I also don’t get the sense from any of your recent posts that you use AI. Any reasonable person, looking into suspicious accounts, would quickly move on after seeing your post history.

Even though false positives exist, it is still worth investigating accounts that are actually spamming, as long as we look at a full body of evidence rather than just a single result from an unreliable tool.

It isn't easy to detect an AI generated content unless it is very obvious and when you are using AI detection method that's why there are some reputed forum members who replied there. For now, we can only do it manually and then report it. There's nothing we can do to stop other people to use AI generated content to post here. What do you guys think when a forum rule is added which is using AI generated content will receive negative tag when proven?.

Let me just say, that while you're at it trying to find ways to figure out whether someone's plagiarizing off of ChatGPT or something, that you stray away from Copyleaks.ai. Like at this point every AI checker on the market's a better option than this one, let me tell you why.

Last year, I almost got laid off from copywriter job, cause one of their clients thought I was actually using ChatGPT to write my shit and then pass it off as my own work, which is a blatant lie that I had to fight and defend myself against. To prove myself, I literally took an excerpt from the bible, fed it to Copyleaks.ai, and voila, apparently even the writers from 1000 years ago (approximately) used ChatGPT to write their verses on the bible as well, who would've thought!

At the end of the day due to the massive embarrassment they allowed me to keep my job lol, and while I may have been very lucky to be able to defend myself against people who thought I was writing with AI assistance on me, a lot of the people who would be suspected (and are innocent) will not be, so I suggest that we make a mega-thread or a tribunal of some sorts for suspected AI-generated content, and from there, perhaps run their shit through 3 different AI checkers, and those who would get a red flag on 2 or more will be considered AI content and would be punished.

If well edited and paraphrased, I doubt that a detector would be able to detect, it's programmed and can be easily confused if it's well edited by human. Ai detectors are programmed detect contents created by an AI, and AI isn't human, it can't just create new ideas, it surfs the internet and provides you with informations provided by other humans from other sources, so if it's not exactly the way it was copied, it'll be difficult to detect. It's just like inviting a  thief to detect and identify another thief... If that other thief dresses like a cop, he'll be difficult to detect.

I have never used AI before and I do not plan to do that soon even in my academic work (when I start my post graduate programs) as I find it a little lazy. With this result, I completely doubt the authenticity of those AI detectors and it simply means that anything written in fine and error-free English will be flagged as AI generated. I think we have to come to a consensus before a bad AI detecting tool causes chaos in the forum.

I tried checking how reliable the referenced AI detecting tool is with the following steps.
1. I posted my above comment in the took and got below results

https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/6fac85451e64588e260f1d647c36b87e

When I adjusted the statement by simply removing the word in the bracket  I got the result below:

https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/6fd3520673d3f484186519cf068065bb

I do not trust an AI detecting like this and it does not look good drawing conclusion from such a tool.

Below is the gptzero result of the same post flagged as AI- generated by sapling

Manually paraphrasing the content before posting still leaves a track that the content is AI-generated. It wouldn't be that hard to detect and if you think that the post you have seen is suspiciously AI-generated post, you can test it if it is really written by a human, or if the user has used an AI tool.

I'm sure it won't be that easy to find tools like this, that means AI versus AI, AI posts can only be detected with AI tools

for now all we can do is report posts that AI suspects are on topics that discuss that

It's actually quite very easy to detect AI generated posts except maybe the author generated the post and used a paragrapher tool or manually paraphrased the content before posting, that way, it'll be quite difficult for AI content detectors to actually detect it was generated by an AI. Most of these spammers have actually grown pretty smart by the day, by learning from others' experiences, they manage to device mesns to cover their tracks lol.

Seems you exaggerated here. You mean there are much more uncaught AI users here in the forum. What then is theymos waiting for to come up with rule regarding AI in the forum?

Reading the whole post history of a suspect is a good idea to detect AI posters. The only problem with this is if the AI user is consistent in its usage. It will be difficult to detect. But if they use AI most times and the other times they make posts themselves, the discrepancy in their post will show that they use AI.

I guess that won’t be an easy job at all. Checking on post history takes a lot of time, but if you are really sincere on your goal, then you have to do it. However, that’s why we have this AI detector tools to help us determine if these posts are AI generated or not. But relying on them completely might also ruin your purpose as they can’t be reliable 100%. So you have to go through checking their previous posts and check also which of these tools will have higher chances to examine correctly.

If you are actually a quality poster, you will know eventually whether the thread is AI generated or not. Also, tracing the post history of the author is also a great idea if he’s really into AI majority of his posts, that way we can easily claim that he is not actually the author of his post. Furthermore, by using these AI detector tools, probably they can be reliable at some point but since they’re just computer generated as well, they can be prone to errors and mistakes. It’s still best to use your own intelligence and tell whether the post is AI generated or not.

Regardless of the fact that they didn't put so much effort into growing the account and that they can still easily create another account and pick up from where they stopped, loosing an account can be really devastating, especially if it's an account that's already in a campaign and earning you some money. It can be quite heartbreaking so they'll surely feel the impact of the loss.

Since account creation is free and they didn't put much effort into growing it (hence use of AI tools) its not like they are risking much really. And even when/if they get caught, they will create another one and this time they will be a little bit smarter on how to avoid being detected.

Keep in mind that spambusters are probably catching just a fraction of those who use AI tools.

Lol to think that the user was even lying even when the evidence were obvious and clear .
It's funny and ridiculous at the same time. Really, rather than going through all the stress of allowing people to lie even in the face of their guilt. The forum should make provision for an in-built auto plagiarism/ai content generator detector.
It'll help reduce the rate of AI usage on this forum. It really getting out of hand.

Nevertheless, this detector is on the list of recommended detectors in this topic. According to my observations more less adequate detector is contentatscale (not advertising).

How do you ignore a problem with hopes that it goes away? Even though it was stated that the post is AI generated, the post can still be merited by a member who doesn't know and didn't read up to the comments that states that the post is AI generated.

If an AI post isn't deleted it will be calculated as part of the activity points of that user and if the post is merited, it could make the user rank up which is very discouraging when you think about it because a lot of people would want to do the same. Also their post would be counted at the end of the week by campaign managers. That could turn the forum into something else.


I use copyleaks to detect AI generated content. I've not been using it for very long so I can't confidently vouch on how reliable it is but so far it has been very accurate. Also the minimum

This is because one person does not have such accounts one at a time. There are always several of them. If one is caught, a second one appears. LoyceV once remarked that such a hunt is similar to fighting with windmills. But there are such stupid people who, either out of laziness or lack of, as you put it, generation of good posts, having high ranks, still use AI. They probably think that if there are a lot of people on the forum, they will be able to get lost in the crowd.
Check the topic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.480

Yeah I get the point. That was supposed to be a rhetorical question.
I know the reason why Newbies use AI content generators is because they lack the ability to generate and come up with good and constructive contents, so they rely on AI to help them do the heavy lifting so they can make an impression and earn merit to grow their account and join a signature campaign and start getting paid. Yeah I know all that.

By asking why, I mean what's the point of using AI when they know fully well their accountcould be implicated and banned. If/when they're caught, their dream of joining a campaign and being paid would be jeopardized. So what's the point of taking such a risk?

They are trying to impress other members in order to get merit, which means getting to higher ranks which then equals to making money via signature campaigns. As simple as that.


I guess you didn't observe that well if you wonder why newbies use AI tools.  

I don’t worry about ai typing. I worry about hi quality ai images. videos and the like.

If you generate a convincing ai video and use a guy like me as a sponsor of the “new” gear ripping off tens of thousands of dollars would be easy.

I would say there are 20 people in the mining section I would trust with a lot of coin/fiat. If anyone of them supports a project using a great set of faked videos a very large theft could be done.

It is a tough reality when no audio or video or image is trustworthy unless you did them yourself.

Posters who use AI to generate posts, spam the forum and wear signature to earn from campaign need to sit back, breath deeply and think what they will do if they have two options to choose.

• Stop using AI, post naturally with their brain and continue to be worn signature.
• Continue using AI, post like a robot, and theymos will disable all signature in the forum. This idea was raised by theymos years ago before he decided to launch merit system.

Ideas for improving post quality?

theymos will not ignore AI-generated endemic in Bitcointalk if it becomes worse.

Let me repeat. It's a Bitcoin forum, not an AI forum

Are you serious ? Quite a convenient position for a spammer. Do you know how easy it is to create a post that distorts information using AI? Why communicate on the forum at all when, among normal posts, we will see such a mess? In addition, do you agree to compete fairly on the forum with a robot? What if accounts that use AI offer themselves as members of a signature company, thereby displacing you? What breeding and farming opportunities will there be in this case? Do you know the reason for introducing the merit system?
Wouldn't AI ignoring posts be like the time before merit was introduced?

In addition, AI posts will soon take on a human form, and until we learn to expose and prohibit them, are you willing to give up your place in a signature company to the tenth alternative account? The financial issue, in addition to valid and correct information, is a sore point for those who need to sober up and begin to understand the harm of AI.

Edit : But who am I telling this to? I have read your trust.

Although it is good to use Ai tool to be very sure before accusing someone of using Ai to make post but I can beat my chest that majority of Ai content doesn't necessarily need tool before detecting that they are Ai generated content. The language pattern, the grammatical arrangement and punctuations properly used are enough to tell between a human created content and Ai generated content. Of course, there are people who can write perfectly giving due consideration of grammar and punctuation but the language flows will be much different as compared to that of AI.


It's definitely increase the workload and that will call for more mods to be appointed. I think the forum is short of mods for quite some time now because some boards (LB) are yet to be assigned a mod. With this recent development of fighting against Ai, there's a little bit of task for Forum admins if they eventually want to implement such measures.

Like why on earth would a Newbie or any member of this community use an AI content generators to write contents here, I mean who are they tryna impress here?
I may be a newbie ranked user but I've been here for quite a while and I've been really observant with how things are done here. The forum isn't a place to come and show up knowledge that you don't even have, it's rather a community that avails user with useful informations and learning materials to help you develop your knowledge in various areas that concerns Bitcoin, cryptocurrency at large and other topics.

That being said, using of AI content generators goes against everything the forum stands for. Sometimes I wonder what perspective people have about this community or what their referees tell them is happening here that they'll consider using of AI as an option to create contents here.

It is definitely one of the worst AI detectors that I personally had a bad experience with because I accused someone of using AI based on the results of the same. I don't know why it didn't show me the same result yesterday, but that's just another proof that the same detector should not be used.

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Perhaps the mission of that detector is to convince us all that our thinking is somewhat already managed by AI - but that does not mean that I will change my habits to avoid his bad detection

I think I said this before, but as a merit source it's disheartening to think it's come to that.  I've been mulling over my long-standing offer of post history reviews, but if I have to check multiple posts on a single member's profile just to see if they're written with AI or help from AI, that could turn into a full time job.

I've got to read this thread closely and see about which AI-detecting tool would best suit my needs, because I think I'm going to have to start using one eventually.  And Jesus, me being pretty dang tech-ignorant presents a challenge I'm presently too torpid to take on.  Foxpup, grant me strength!!

There's probably thousands of reports and they're only far too few in between so they're having a hard time trying to do it in a fair way, at the least that's what they can do right? If they ever became complacent though and tried to expedite the process, they might accidentally include bad reports that would led to these good posts or standard posts from getting removed. Probably the best thing that we can do in the case like these is to ignore AI generated posts, once it's been pointed out that it is an AI generated content then you just ignore it so it will get buried eventually, these AI posters don't like the idea that they're prompt is ignored so that's one of the things that we can do to discourage such posts.

I don't want to automate anything related with AI, and don't fully trust any tool that is checking for AI generated posts, but using multiple tools is making those chances much higher.
Whenever I am checking if member is using AI tools for writing their posts I am checking all their post history, not just a single suspicious post.

I guess the detection algorithm is quite bad. Just to check, I tried it on my own post that I made in this thread. At least it provided a good result in my case. My post is 0.1% fake, meaning 99.9% isn't AI generated.
Lucius is probably a hybrid. Part human, part robot. His most recent post is about 6% AI-generated. The human part of him wrote most of it. Can't help but laugh at that.

@Lucius I think it's the long sentences that make the algorithm classify your post as AI-written. Try to shorten them in meaningful short sentences. You don't have to post them again. Just play around with it if you are interested to see the results.

I was exactly using one of the sapling.ai services you listed. I surprise how he showed you that the text was written by a human being. To me, he showed me exactly what is depicted in the picture. I just checked, the result is the same. Here's the link https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/6fc838e1ded0328166a01e86611debff (expires after 3 Days).

I don't know what tool you used, but it's obviously one of those AI detectors that will mark every post as AI - I checked my post with 3 different detectors (sapling, zerogpt, gptzero) and all three detect the post as human written. Therefore, in case the forum decides to use an AI detector, the best one should be chosen - although I think it's a bad idea considering that every post should be checked with at least 3 detectors to be able to tell if the post is AI generated or not.

I think that the forum just needs to introduce zero tolerance to the use of AI for posts, as is the case with plagiarism. Forum members know that using AI is still in the gray zone, that's why they behave the way they do.

Different people that only have Telegram or this forum as their only means of connection would probably have a difficult time piecing a code together and it's difficult to adapt to how someone does their code compared to yours, maybe it's not that difficult to adopt because people use Stackoverflow to improve their codes and find what's wrong in their own codes. In regards to fighting AI-generated content, as AI improves, so does the AI detection contents, which means that we can never be too worried that people will try to be sneaky and create an AI-content that would get unnoticed, maybe in this instance of AI-content that's posted, we just got so used to people quickly reporting these types of posts that we thought none would get past us.

Maybe the tool can just help flag off the posts that are potentially AI generated, and then the mods can cross-check those few posts with a couple of other available AI tools. Or even go through the User's history to check for potential AI generated posts before issuing a warning, deleting or banning the user.

What I know is that this will increase the workload on Mods. Perhaps the forum could introduce a special task force of Mods who will be dealing with AI related posts, just like the forum formed the cryptios team to deal with account recoveries?

Is there a superior one? What you could have is it just alerting the user that their post had been detected at whatever percentage and to urge caution before posting or only consider posting if they haven't used an AI tool.

In confirmation of my words above. Here are two examples. Two outrage threads would have appeared by already

Example 1




Example 2




This is what I'm talking about.

The question is, does the current forum software support adding any automated checker for AI content? I don't think it does.
Using an AI bot to write posts instead of you is a modern type of plagiarism. You can't find a source from where the text was copied/stolen from, but it still fulfills the requirements of being considered plagiarized.

1. You used someone else's thoughts. It doesn't matter if it's a real person writing on a website or AI.
2. You didn't credit the original source.

I'm personally not against such a feature, but... To have posts automatically scanned, you need to choose a service that will do this. Today, almost all services for detecting content written by AI are far from perfect. Which one should you choose if all of them can produce erroneous detection? There will be a large number of threads on Meta with outrage from users who disagree with their posts being labeled as AI-written. At one time, by the way, I gave examples of AI text detection services mistakenly recognizing innocuous text as AI text.

Just seen this but I just suggested in the Staff sub that some sort of AI detection should be implemented on the forum which auto scans a user's post and notifies them if AI has been detected etc. If something isn't done about it half the board is just going to be AI responses. It's not even Newbies that are doing it but some lazy higher ranked members trying to rinse sig campaigns with no effort.

I believe that laziness is only one of the reasons why more and more people are using AI for their posts on the forum, and as I already wrote in the previous post, I believe that the real problem is that AI has already positioned itself as something normal. You can also read on this forum that the same is used for the purpose of "beautifying" posts and even in the academic communities of some countries.

Of course, rich companies and individuals are behind everything, because no one invented AI to help make the world better, but to profit from it. I assume that in a few decades, human creativity and the level of brain use will decrease significantly, because we will not think about anything and all our problems will be solved by AI.

There's really no need for that as common sense should be enough. Rule of thumb: if a newbie account writes a guide or a wall of text in native-level English, it's likely AI-generated, therefore avoid replying.


Don't you worry, they know the rules well and they are perfectly aware of what they are doing as that's usually not their first account here.

you're right, i may later in the nearest future begin to make use of some of these tools in checking for those plagiarists in disguise for the use of AI in making their post and using the excuse that they only do such in other to make their content carry the weight of thoughts they would have desired to see in them, which all these are flimsy excuses, so as suggested, we can make use of more than one checking tools to confirm the level of how true a post content could be AI generated.

I have noticed an increased in the number of newbies using AI to make their posts, maybe they think that is the way to impress the older members of the forum. It is rather unfortunate that many of them are too lazy to at least read the forum rules that forbids such actions, hence the corresponding increase in newbie accounts being banned. I do not know what will be the solution but I think that any new member who cannot read the rules of the forum and who is not ready to learn and contribute to discussion base on his knowledge but resort to copying and pasting garbage from AI do not deserve to be here.

Yes, you are correct that Grammarly Tools does not generate AI. I did not see any way to write it. We who write use Grammarly after writing because these tools correct the small mistakes in our writing. Grammarly is never an AI generator. Chatgpt is a writing AI but not a grammatically generated writing system. Grammarly makes our writing beautiful by correcting small mistakes. It's a good tool for us.

First, they don't have enough knowledge to answer an question, issue by themselves.
Second, they rely on given answers from AI and automatically consider it is a correct and best one.
Third, they can be very lazy to research and find answers for any question, issue.

The root and biggest cause is laziness.

Like I said to you, I did not check posts that whether they are plagiarized or AI-generated but if I feel it is not organic, human-generated, I mostly skip those topics because I simply feel commenting in such ones is stupid.

Well said.  I wanted to check out the thread OP was referencing, but *fortunately* it's already been nuked. 

As far as older members replying in such a thread, I'll bet you that's going to happen a lot unless or until the majority of them (including myself) start running text through an AI detector prior to making a post.  And Jesus H. Christ, what a pain in the ass that none of us should ever fucking have to do. 

My fears of severe, cockroach-like contamination of the forum by assholes using AI seem to be coming true.  OP, you said the creator of the thread you referenced was a newbie, and I'm assuming the quality of writing in it was above average with respect to newbie English proficiency.  That should be a huge red flag on this forum, i.e., any time you see a very low-ranked member who registered recently writing something that could appear in a blog or a legit article, there's a big chance there was some help from something that isn't human.  I didn't get the chance to see the thread, so I don't know who the member was who wrote it.  I'll have to finish reading everything here to see if it's mentioned.

Ugh.  Ugh!

In general, it is not good or correct to consider every good post written by a complete beginner or some low rank for plagiarism or AI content, but if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion, at least 70% of the topics started by beginners were just created with the help of AI tools. What seems to me is that this AI mania has spread so much among people that the public opinion has already formed that the use of artificial intelligence is something completely normal.

I agree that using it has some good applications in society, such as using it in healthcare or helping to solve things that can improve the lives of people on this planet, but it is completely wrong for people to think that someone asks something to an AI chat bot, and then that answer "paste" on the forum and pretend that he wrote it.

Such people no longer think like people, but behave like bots controlled by artificial intelligence. Therefore, anyone who ignores this problem is actually just a participant in that circus, and anyone who talks to AI bots will sooner or later become an AI bot themselves.

Grammarly can't be compared with AI text models because Grammarly only helps you rectify what you have written and it doesn't write everything itself most of the time, it won't even correct wrongly constructed sentences but only misplaced words or wrong spellings and stuff. I use Grammarly as well because it's a useful tool that helps you find small mistakes in what you write that you might not notice normally. However, what I write is my own thoughts and it is exactly what I want to write unlike AI-generated text which is not what you think but everything is generated by itself.

So tools such as Grammarly aren't comparable with AI language models such as ChatGPT, and people using Grammarly or related tools are not doing anything wrong, in my opinion.

The typical methods of identifying AI-written content are also not always reliable because most chatbots and rewriting tools now have premium settings which allow users to generate more human-like text. I’ve also seen campaign cheaters in the forum who seem to intentionally add misspellings and wrong punctuations to try and bypass detectors.

It will depend on each individual case. Usually, content that is written with assistance from Grammarly will not raise the same red flags as something that is almost entirely written with ChatGPT.

Using face validity to check AI-generated content might be highly deceptive. I read that one of the ways of identifying them is that they usually have no grammatical or spelling errors. But with the popularity of Grammer checking tools like Grammerly which help writers to produce close-to-perfect writing, this method of identifying these AI writing will not work. As Lucius rightly pointed out, the best option is to check these suspected posts in more than one detecting software.to check its authenticity.

Hello
online tests to check whether content is linked to artificial intelligence are unfortunately unreliable.
I've sometimes found that my own texts were considered to have been written by an AI, but with certain prompts it was the opposite: they weren't detected .
And to pick up on your point, I was making a list of AIs dealing with the subject of BTC and I was wondering: why so many AIs on Bitcoin?
Just to show off on the forums. 
Bitcoin Guidance and Education

• Bitcoin Beacon: Provides guidance and study resources to understand Bitcoin better.
  Satoshi Nakamoto Chatbot: Simulates conversations with Bitcoin's pseudonymous creator, offering insights into Bitcoin's philosophy and technology.
  Satoshi GPT: A specialized conversation tool with in-depth knowledge about Bitcoin, aiming to educate users on its transformative potential.

Bitcoin Trading and Market Analysis

• AutoBTC: An AI-powered tool for navigating Bitcoin trading and the Lightning Network.
  ChatBTC: Offers Bitcoin technology and history information through conversational AI.
  Crypto Insighter, Crypto Bro, CryptoGPT: Focus on providing market analysis and insights for cryptocurrency trading.

Bitcoin Ordinals and Analysis
Ordinals API and ORDbot: These tools are designed to offer insights and engage in conversations about Bitcoin Ordinals, a unique area of Bitcoin's data structure.
Bitcoin Investment Strategies

• ThinkChain: Geared towards finance professionals, offering investment analysis and strategies.
  
• InvtAI: A blockchain consultancy tool powered by AI, providing strategic insights for blockchain investments.

Miscellaneous Bitcoin-Related AI Tools
Hunt for Satoshi: An exploratory tool focused on the mystery surrounding Satoshi Nakamoto's identity.

(it's a joke  )
I can't really understand their real interest and it's making me giddy.
I asked the question on the French side of the Forum, but nobody seems to be using it ;-)

to be continued 

Belle soirée
Marie

I don't check whether a topic is created by AI but by glance at it, if I feel it is a zero-value, plagiarism, AI, just possibly in my thinking, I will skip it. Like you shared, such threads have high probability to be trashed.

It's not about my posts will be trashed together with that thread, but basically it is time wasting to reply in a zero-valued topic.

I try to check every OP before answering, especially if it's newbies and classic shitposters - but we can't expect all members to have such high standards when it comes to fighting against AI, plagiarism, spam and low value posts. Those who do not check if they are communicating with AI could often find themselves in a situation where their posts are deleted as a result of the entire thread being deleted.


I don't think it's something achievable, and I wonder how it would even be possible to have something like that on the forum. After all, anyone can check every post in at least three AI detectors in less than 1 minute - you open three detectors in three tabs and paste the post - if all detectors show that it is AI content, instead of the post, make a report to the moderator.

The problem with these AI tools is that there are no standard means of measuring and identifying posts written by AI. Most of the members that engage in searching for these AI-generated contents have to rely on more than one detector and it is really hard work. Having such a package that could identify these artificially generated texts will be ideal because it will save lots of stress for these hardworking members who detect these cheats and it will also keep the forum clean. I have always thought that some features will be difficult to implement in some platforms but the advancement in technology has proved that nothing is impossible.

I noticed that on the forum we have the report button on each thread and we also have a thread that is specifically designed to report Plagerism and AI topics but seem that's not  enough to caution the rate at which newbies are still persistent in using AI to write topics and comments which is against the forum policy. What I suggest is that any newbies that is found guilty of this act should be temporarily ban for some weeks with a strict warning of getting permanent barn if they still continue to use AI content generator.

Anytime I come across a topic that I'm interested to drop my opinion, I don't usually bother to check if it was a topic created using AI and that's also common among those reputable members who makes their comments of AI topics. The solution to a problem like that is to build a means that totally prevents users from publishing AI topics and comments on this forum.

Aside from what other member said, cost of checking all posts might be problematic. https://ninjastic.space/ currently say there are 4752 posts created in last 24 hours. Many paid AI text detector use pricing based on total words, so it's hard to estimate minimum cost needed for this feature. But such tool isn't very accurate, so you probably need to use multiple service which increase the minimum cost further.

It is now gone but the post and its replies can still be seen here. Some of the people responding to that thread are also accused of being AI spammers, such as Blitzboy. I happen to agree with those accusations against him since it is clear his reply was created artificially.

The best thing to do is report the post but with some signature campaigns incentivizing AI spam, we will continue to have people creating accounts to farm merit by creating low quality content and other spammers amplifying their posts. The amount of reported content might be overwhelming that it might take a while before it is handled by moderators.

Would be good to have but I'm not even sure if this kind of feature can be put on this forum.

I saw SquirrelJulietGarden post that it could be possible but I'd like to see more opinions from other members that also has an experience in this kind of field.

There are some posts that are obviously AI generated. I mean 100%. These types of posts, you don't need to run it in any AI check app. With the way the grammars are connected and most times indirect usage of tenses and generization of ideas and options, you will know it is an AI generated text.

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Talking about reputable forum users contributing in a thread without knowing that it is AI generated. That is not a much problem because AI generated texts are always perfect and error free. So, we shouldn't blame anyone who joins such discussion. Besides, detecting AI generated texts is not an exclusive function of reputable members of the forum.

Unfortunately, not all content written by AI is removed from the forum. I recently sent a lot of reports on AI, but the moderators deleted only a few. It is not clear for what reason, although the evidence was one hundred percent.
In addition, some users continue to respond to the topic, even when you clearly state that the topic is plagiarism. After it is deleted, users understand that they need to read the warnings.
Therefore, until there are explicit rules against AI and until posts are deleted for everyone, not just beginners, you need to fight AI only in the Nutildah topic.

Let's be honest, there are bunch of users that don't actully care whether post has been written by a bot or not as they mainly see a new topic as a chance to dump their signature quota so they don't see it a time wasted at all.


I don't think that something like that is possible or that theymos should waste his resources on it. Much easier solution would be to actually be more harsh with those who use AI chatbots to plagiarize.

Using the report button is still the best on handling post that you suspect as an AI post this way we can have the mods look meticulously on report rather than automatically flagging while the tools that we use on this AI content sometimes show a false positive on some content especially to those post that modified with a touch of other tools to improve their post quality.

I believe most of the report is handled properly so far because we are free to raise a concern in Meta in case the moderators handled the report improperly.

This can be achieved if the forum admin actually wanted to build and implement something like that in the forum, but would he do it or would he prefer to let it be done the manual way where other users like you would just use an AI checker to detect AI-generated threads? 

If we can have something like Bpip.org, which keeps track of several pieces of information about a user's profile, and we also have other important tools that are used to go back to deleted or edited content, then I think that it is very possible to integrate an AI checker into the forum without giving it access to the forum data.

This must be in mind or a newbies as we think that using AI is not good to fullfil our lapses or knowledge. Actually like what you said mate you are right using AI is like that user is cheated or plagiarizing some text and claim that they are the owner but in reality it's not. Anyways we all know that AI can make our work faster than usual but we need to think twice or even thrice what are the possible outcome when we use AI like here in forum. If we are using AI and then we got caught one thing for sure we will face the consequences.

Many of these newbies were doing that on purpose because they realized that the use of AI is not against the forum rules and regulations, if it were to be part of the rules, they wouldn't dare to make use of AI since they know it will have the same repercussion of getting banned as being plagiarized, I don't see a difference from someone who plagiarize from the one who uses AI on posts, after all, they believed they are not going to be banned for doing so, instead they will go after their bounties with that and continue spamming.

AI generated content is just like plagiarism, you will find some users will reply on those thread (I could be one of them), mostly it's easy to detect, when a newbie create a wall of text post it's high likely using AI... but if the user have few merits, sometimes it's quite harder.

I don't think people will like it, it would be similar to like, dislike, emoji etc in social medias.

Probably if the content worth to discuss, it won't be deleted. Because there are many AI generated contents that still exist until now.

I read an article on techcrunch.com. According to the article, they are working on a way to “watermark” AI-generated content. The idea is that an AI generated text would have an unnoticeable secret signal like they said that would indicate that the text is from AI and not written by a human. Aside OpenAI other companies such as Alphabet (GOOGL.O),Meta Platforms (META.O), Anthropic, Inflection, and Amazon.com (AMZN.O) also agreed to watermarking AI-generated content. It's been two years now and we are yet to hear of its launch. Maybe it is still in its testing phase before release.

Until then it is left for us to use the manual method for detecting AI generated contents.

I think that any user who uses AI for generating content should just write source - AI just as we would when we reference a text from any other internet sources.

Here on the forum I find it difficult to implement this, perhaps some user can create a script to facilitate verification and then anyone who wants can join the script... I also don't know if this is easy or if it is possible to create

As things stand, there will come a point where fighting the AI will be like trying to dry ice with a cloth... A never-ending fight, unfortunately

I used 3 of the AI content-detecting sites in that thread and I got the same result. I usually don't check before but I think I'll do that more often henceforth. Also, before reporting I'll suggest that you leave and advise on the thread so the OP knows that what he's doing is against the laws of the forum just in case he does it again and claims ignorance.

For the AI detection feature, I think it's best if we humans do it ourselves. Check and report. A user might get away with one or two posts, but before long he would be fished out, and when one post has been figured out, other of his posts will be scrutinized too.
If it cannot be exploited and won't complicate things the feature won't be a bad one, but I believe it would be very complicated to build.

Forum admins will have to code and run their bot to scrap forum posts and use like APIs to connect AI-generated content detectors to check.

It is a complicated procedure and can bring some security issue for the forum so I guess admins will not do it.

There is report button and there are forum moderators to handle reports include AI-generated posts.

Manipulated media on X and their very complicated procedure to handle it. Users at the end can appeal too.

Not a programmer, but this might look like it will take a lot of work to achieve something like enabling and granting some third party access to the forum data, where those tools can automatically be used to access any content that's posted in the forum, and if it's likely to be AI, it will be reported back to the forum to give the automatic flag warning to others.
 
Some AI-generated posts, if you read through them, you can ordinarily guess they are AI-generated before you can use any tool to confirm your suspicions. The way most newbies are found if using AI to generate text most of the of the time, I ignore some of their long paragraph threads without even giving them a second thought.

A few minutes ago when I found a thread and I was about to share my opinion and suggestion in that thread then I thought of checking that thread for AI content. I copied the content of the thread and checked those on two AI content detecting sites that were suggested previously by Nutildah in AI Spam Report Reference Thread, and after testing I found the thread was an AI generated one.

Many of the reputed members of the forum have replied in that thread without noticing that the content was AI generated and the one who posted it used AI content generators to create the content of that thread. First I thought to report that thread on Nutildah's AI Spam Report Reference Thread, but then I thought I may create this thread to get some opinions that what can we do against the newbies that use AI generators to create content.

The following is the thread that's generated with AI AI generated thread, and I have already reported that thread to moderators and administrators so that they could remove that thread.

Can we have a feature where the AI generated content automatically get flagged as AI generated content so the reputed members may not reply to that post/thread and just report it when they see that flag. I mean if it's possible to make a patch where users get information about AI generated content then they may not waste their precious time in replying to such posts/thread which aren't written by a human but are generated by bots. I need your valuable feedback and I also want to know that is it even possible to make a patch that could flag such content?