Topic: [AIRDROP][BOUNTY] Marinecoin - Fast Eco-Friendly AI IoT Payment Network - page 6. (Read 4886 times)

just read it. tried to compile after reading your reply tried to build and compiler failed on serialize.h and db.h
developers ignoring github, so i didn't post anything. sorry

i used to contact developers and post on discord. but developers are ignoring so why would i waste time while they counting their money and ignoring me lol)

Update (March 1, 2018): DISCORD Transcript - Dev-less Concept, Jarvis AI, Philosophy

Below is DISCORD Transcript of Conversation of Marinecoin creator and Dev Bruce Wayne with other community members  Covering the Concept of
'Dev-Less', Jarvis AI, Philosophy

Brightlight - Today at 2:10 PM
Are there any community members that can confidently explain how MTC is 'Dev-Less' and how it incorporates AI?

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 2:18 PM
1st facts, currently no crypto currency is decentralized, no matter what they claim, it’s just bullshit. The developer and their buddies the miners. 5 to 8 people can increase the total supply of BTC to 42 million, they can get together with agents of governments and code backdoors or openly create limitations to holders. After all they are human, they try to rationalize with their conscious but eventually they will give in to more powerful forces, willingly or unwillingly. Marinecoin is Dev-less it is the only decentralized crypto currency run by AI to maintain network specific tasks and its source code sealed

Brightlight - Today at 2:20 PM
so the AI with the source code sealed for security, is performing network maintenance tasks that otherwise would normally be performed by a Dev team and therefore is dev-less?

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 2:24 PM
Everyone can become a DEV for Marinecoin independently without any right to change the source code fundamentals thus all new software has to be %100 backwards compatible to original core

starsailor - Today at 2:25 PM
so the original core will never change, and if someone wants to build a new feature or something, that's going to be a new software that is built on top of the core?

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 2:25 PM
This doesn’t mean other than AI functioning as DEV there will not be other developers working on MTC

Brightlight - Today at 2:27 PM
 Ok i think i get that portion. Perhaps we should move away from the term 'dev-less' and focus more on 'self sustaining AI'?
apologies for my ignorance bruce, i'd like to understand as much as i can of all this so i can explain it to others on your behalf so you can focus on the bigger picture

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 2:29 PM
It is devless when we compare it the popular crypto term developer and the immediate understanding of the role and the power that title holds.

Brightlight - Today at 2:29 PM
i like that definition right there

marcmeh - Today at 2:30 PM
I have to agree with that while dev-less might be true in a technical way of speaking its psychologically associated to failed projects within the community

Brightlight - Today at 2:32 PM
i'm going to type up an attempt at explaining some of that. I'll PM it to you before i start using it to answer questions so you can quality check it. I dont want to give out bad info.

marcmeh - Today at 2:36 PM
to be honest i think bruce as the creator of mtc should post himself there
at least if that ann thread is not going to be deleted by bct again

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 2:38 PM
Ok, this is a new concept and first reader will always have hard time no matter what you say.

Brightlight - Today at 2:38 PM
i think bruce's account is still banned in bitcointalk

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 2:38 PM
I don’t use BCT anymore :smile:

Brightlight - Today at 2:54 PM
The AI that maintains the network, i'm assuming that it is decentralized as well then?

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:00 PM
Maintaining a network should be seen as a service by AI, decentralized as it may be it has no direct relationship to MTC’s decentralization because anyone can maintain a network by managing full nodes and contributing mining activity

starsailor - Today at 3:02 PM
so when do we get to see this AI in action?

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:10 PM
In the future probably will make a video of it, normally it’s server side process but for demonstration purposes desktop version of Linux  servers can be used to summarize how Jarvis adds new nodes jumping from server to server how it analyzes the network how blockchain is backup for emergency, how it decides, cases, demonstrate automatic compilation with new checkpoint, how it will leave breadcrumbs on the internet to connect with other trusted peers, these and more functionalities can be visually demonstrated. Most importantly how it will identify the Guardians

starsailor - Today at 3:12 PM
wow, it sounds awesome, but i think a video or a visual representation will definitely help the members understand the project better. It's very exciting.

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:13 PM
 You remember what Bill Gates said ?

starsailor - Today at 3:13 PM
i thought he says a lot of things! please enlighten me

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:16 PM
It’s on the telegram channel, for the most difficult and challenging tasks, find smart but lazy person to do it. He will eventually come up with the most efficient way of doing the task. Jarvis is I guess a product of that.

starsailor - Today at 3:17 PM
ah gotcha.

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:18 PM
Crypto currency maintenance is repetitive and tiresome, it involves doing the same things over and over again If AI is able understand what is going on analyzing the network telemetry data the rest is just repetition When you go under the hood it’s not that exciting really.

Brightlight - Today at 3:22 PM
you may not think so, but Jarvis is a shiny new thing. Lots of folks are going to be super interested in it. Exciting or not, it's new and fancy to them.

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:25 PM
 I meant code wise, I am also excited to be a part of a new movement

Brightlight - Today at 3:26 PM
haha..all code looks exciting to me! I'm an electrical engineer, prefer screwing around with hardware vs code myself :smiley:

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:29 PM
Smart move :thumbsup: don’t recommend coding to anyone these days even school children, coding will be AI within 10 years anyway why waste time knowing you will be put on the sidelines

Brightlight - Today at 3:31 PM
wow... @starsailor and i have been saying that for months now. We were looking into learning a language or two and came to the realization that coding in the future will all be done transparently in the background. Users may only generate flow charts for what they want the program to do and AI will write the code.
it's comforting to see others come to the same revelation

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:35 PM
You can clearly see when you use code correction software how far it has come, we will ask Siri to code a program tell the details we want in it by our voice may be as you said a few charts and your software or app will be ready for distribution. I am pretty sure they are very close to it.

Brightlight - Today at 3:48 PM
 agreed.
hey thanks for the discussion points, it's always enlightening chatting with you. I'm off for a bit, cheers everyone! I tried summarizing our discussion here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31364194

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 3:49 PM
 Ok see you later

YungHurn - Today at 3:53 PM
@Bruce_Wayne What do you recommend to people learning then?

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 4:29 PM
 Philosophy

starsailor - Today at 4:30 PM
@YungHurn how to become financially independent, by making the machines work for you and making money, instead of slaving ourselves to death.

starsailor - Today at 4:37 PM
@YungHurn Crypto & blockchains have the potential to free us from the current economy & society structure - 1% of population has 99% of resources. Common folks have no control. They get rich by ripping off the masses, and distracting us with political dramas, poverty, racism all kinds of social issues that divide us, instead of seeing it for what actually is, power gap. Crypto and blockchain tech i believe is the best tool right now to eliminate the power gap, at least reduce it, so that individuals have power over what's rightfully theirs, for example, personal data and money.

YungHurn - Today at 4:40 PM
@Bruce_Wayne  I heard several people say that, why do you think philosophy?

Bruce_Wayne - Today at 4:45 PM
@YungHurn By philosophy I don’t mean the dead German guys and what they used to think  200 years ago. Understanding the nature of our being and understanding how our minds work. What causes feelings and decisions once you grasp that then there is no limit what you can do. Philosophy in that regard if applied correctly can free the humankind, if you have that toolset than you can become an engineer a programmer a teacher anything you you want to become and make a difference

I can, I just did compile it successfully under Ubuntu 14.04 following the guideline in github.   I don't like your attitude of  blaming others joke/shitcoin when you yourself don't know how to do proper compiling job.

Here is result of the command  "marinecoind getinfo"  in my computer:

{
    "version" : 1000000,
    "protocolversion" : 70001,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 45046,
    "connections" : 5,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 1.69297339,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1519958362,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00010000,
    "errors" : ""
}

Charlie,

Did you actually try to compile it or did you just look at the code/instructions?

Asking because I haven't tried, the instructions are little too daunting for me and as a community member i'm interested to see. The F1 exchange, the MTC wallet and MTC coin all operate extremely well, but i haven't seen much regarding marinecoin core.

If you have tried compiling the code and ran into errors why not open a github ticket and highlight the error to the team instead of publicly shamming a new project on their ANN thread? Maybe attempt to help out a new project? There are many variables to take into account before shamming on something and quite honestly you not giving the team a chance to answer trouble ticket questions or potential errors with their source code should cause others to question your judgement as well.

If you're going to run around shamming on projects you could at least do said projects the service of explaining what problems you saw, when you saw them and why you feel the way you do about the project with more detail. It would be much appreciated.

lol you can not compile that source

What do you mean the source is broken.  I just clicked the link to github, the source is there, not problem.

this is a shitcoin, source is broken. no github links for a reason)) this is a joke, not a project)) https://github.com/marinecoin/marinecore

Hey Costanza1, short but great question!

I hopped in discord to have a discussion with the dev team’s pseudonym handle Bruce_Wayne about this topic. See below for a summary of that discussion. All these talking points have come from them, if you wish to discuss it further with them please hop in the discord and message @Bruce_wayne, they are open for discussion so long as they are online.

Caveat with this explanation: I am not a core dev or a dev of any type, just a passionate community member. I’ll do my best to explain it with this summary and apologize in advance if it just confuses others more:

The community is going to begin getting away from the term ‘dev-less’ as it seems to have negative connotations for potential new members. The original intention behind using the term Dev-Less was to highlight the fact that Marinecoin is NOT reliant on a core development or mining team to function/operate.

**Summary Starts Here**

MarineCoin IS dev-less when compared to the popular crypto term ‘developer’ and the immediate understanding of the role/power the title ‘developer’ holds in the crypto-sphere. Currently no crypto currency is fully decentralized no matter what they claim, they are extremely reliant on a core development/mining team. These core developers/mining teams are human and therefore subject to greed, emotions and manipulation by other more powerful influencers. As the Marinecoin network is maintained by a Self-Sustaining Artificial Intelligence, dubbed “Jarvis” by its creators, it is not subject to these potential human failing points.

The Marinecoin network is maintained by “Jarvis” a Self-Sustaining Artificial Intelligence whose source code is sealed for security purposes. The AI itself is decentralized as well, the maintenance it is providing is a service to the network with no direct relationship to Marinecoin’s own decentralization, they are separate. Anyone can maintain a network by managing full nodes and contributing to mining activity, the Self-Sustaining AI is replacing those functions that would normally be performed by humans. You can still mine Marinecoin if you wish, but it is not at all profitable nor is it necessary to operate the network, taking 3 years to mine 450000 MTC.

Anyone can technically become a dev for marinecoin independently without any rights to change the source code, but therefore all new software running on this network must be backwards compatible to the original core.

Bruce_Wayne additionally explained that they will be making a video demonstrating exactly how Jarvis interacts with the MTC network to better help explain all this.

Bill Gates once said "For the most difficult and challenging tasks, find a smart but lazy person to complete them. They will eventually come up with the most efficient way to accomplish this task." Jarvis is somewhat a product of this style ....Crypto currency maintenance is repetitive and tiresome, it involves doing the same things over and over again, perfect job for Jarvis.

**Summary Ends Here**

Hope this helps. I’d say shoot questions at me but I will likely not be able to answer them. You’ll be better off hopping in discord and asking the creators directly.

Can anyone explain how this project is "dev-less" or incorporates artificial intelligence?

Yes,  you are welcome.   This project had lots of hardship weeks ago as Bruce's BCT  ANN got deleted and his account is more or less banned here.  As early AIRDROP receiver I tried my best to help this project as much as I can and I think this project deserve a better attention and treatment in crypto-world.

I agree with you that, yes,  seed nodes controlled by guardians sound like masternodes.  They both offer new features for the coins and help the coin on either decentralization or speed improvement.  Functional wise,  I think  Marinecoin seed nodes from guardians are different from masternodes.  I think marinecoin feature is very unique and I do not know any other coins have similar features like Marinecoin.   For obvious difference,  the mining of MTC is not important and not required as explained by Bruce.  There is one
folk in Telegram is playing with MTC mining and was puzzled by the mining rewards as if the Marinecoin mining is just for play and for fun.  I know coins with masternodes are all serious on mining.  No other coins I know of are treating mining like MTC is doing now.

Hi
Are you looking out for the cryptocurrency of the future? If yes, please check https://marineco.in
The goal of Marinecoin is to revolutionize the world of the secret code and enhance it to something better and more effective. And again, besides a lot of scams ICO, it is fair and completely free 450 000MTC !!! Join our community here https://marineco.in/ico

I second what Starsailor said Honglu. Your summaries are exactly what the community needs, can't thank you enough for doing these!

Welcome to the community ShangHaiMr!
Please join our discussion on any of these platforms. We are most active on discord and telegram.

Discord: https://discord.gg/C6JnDJv
Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MarineCoin/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/marinecoins
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MarineCoin_MTC
Kakaotalk(Korean only- pw: gomtc): https://open.kakao.com/o/gicClnH
Telegram ANN: https://t.me/marinecoinAnn
Telegram Chat: https://t.me/MarinecoinMTC

Honglu, I am so grateful for your contribution to this project. It's easy to lose track of conversations on discord, and this is such a fantastic summary. Thank you.
This is my first time hearing about the guardianship program, and an actual example of MTC and Jarvis used in a real life setting! It just got so much more exciting:)!!

One question though, is the guardianship program similar to masternodes?
Very bright future ahead MTC<3!!

Hey Cimanu thanks for popping in, answers to your questions below:

1. The ICO distribution will last until 90% of the supply has been distributed to 20,000 people who complete the ICO steps. We are currently at around 3000 (+/- 200 or so) ICO distributions so we have around 17,000 distributions to go.
2. Distributions do occur daily. Honestly if you haven't received your coins within 24-36 hours of submitting your request, submit a ticket to the dev's email address, [email protected] to ask what the status is. It's possible something went wrong and you may need to correct some things, each application is reviewed by a real person so it takes time.
3. No, you do not have to make purchases, you just have to show proof of promotion. See this forum thread for specifics, you'll have to make a forum account to see this thread: https://marineco.in/forum/?view=thread&id=7
4. The dev's have relaxed the Facebook requirement, you may now use any popular social media platform of your choosing, including platforms that may only be popular in your home country. The goal is as wide a global distribution of MTC as possible.
5. The dev's will pursue other exchange listings once the initial seed community of 20,000 people has been established and 90% of the supply has been distributed. Until then, MTC can be traded now on the f1cx.com exchange. Currently the only pairs are MTC/DOGE, MTC/LTC, MTC/BTC

Hope these answers help and we'll see you in our community discord/telegram channels soon!

Hey Knuckey, Yes Pangrango is correct. The more global the currency is the better for the community! I think it's been getting a lot of english posts so another language would be a breath of fresh air.

One word of caution, some other language threads on Bitcointalk do not get nearly as many posts as the english threads. I would recommend maybe only doing 2 of the 5 posts in another language so it doesn't seem so spammy in the other language thread.  MTC members who posted in the bitcoin talk Korean threads had issues with this since those threads aren't as active as the english ones.

Hope this helps, we'll see you in Discord soon!

i think it can in any languange, more languange is more people all over the world will know this information. this is good

it's just banned for a few minutes, after i wait around 1 hour, i try to login and it's works
i see the rules to be able receive the airdrop is we need to make 5 post with promote this ICO right?
Is the post needed to be an english or i can do that in local languange?

Ok. I got it.
I will do it now.
Thanks for answering.
Wish you a good day.
Respect.
phucdigan.