Topic: Algorithms nothing else (Read 798 times)
Just imagine when you wake up tomorrow machines rule the world, technology should have limits, we cant change the nature, if we do, we have to pay for it, it will take from us doesn't matter the cost, by 2050 there will be self driven cars, robot workers, police, military forces, what if we lose the control of them? Google has developed a new AI, it can play chess with a man, how to advance, these things can be good in some ways and can be evil too.
Robots can't do all the jobs especially the complex jobs.Combined action of both would make much difference.But they would definitely lack development in artificial intelligence.Whatever developments we have in robotics field,still they would need human supervision to deliver results.It could be used only in certain fields.Moreover,it couldn't be used for complicated medical fields where a doctor with human feelings is needed to understand the feelings of a patient.
What do you mean with "complex jobs" whats that complex what a well programmed / developed algorithm /robot cannot solve as a human.
Robots can't do all the jobs especially the complex jobs.Combined action of both would make much difference.But they would definitely lack development in artificial intelligence.Whatever developments we have in robotics field,still they would need human supervision to deliver results.It could be used only in certain fields.Moreover,it couldn't be used for complicated medical fields where a doctor with human feelings is needed to understand the feelings of a patient.
Hi
please do not misunderstand me. I am not afraid at all. I just want to know how you guys thinking about this subject.
I am pretty sure that we will still have jobs. Just think about the steam era or the digitalization. 50 years in the past everybody would be afraid to have so money machines working for us and replace simple work.
I could believe that in 30 years we would work more in a consultant way. Not only to grow business but also to speak with people like a psychiatrist.
Just think about the evolution in the past few decades. More and more people are living alone or have less friends than before. That happens regrading our new lifestyle. Living far from home because of our jobs. Coming home late. Having to much things to do. Spending to much time with stuff that do not need community at all like browsing the internet, watching tv or playing games etc.
Well, social isolation does not happen because of the technology, what it happens is that the social networks are changing, before the invention of the car most people never got out of their towns so it is obvious they developed a greater sense of belonging but things have changed since in order to find a job you need to move to the other side of the country, so people do not know who is living next door and so that sense of community is lost as a result.please do not misunderstand me. I am not afraid at all. I just want to know how you guys thinking about this subject.
I am pretty sure that we will still have jobs. Just think about the steam era or the digitalization. 50 years in the past everybody would be afraid to have so money machines working for us and replace simple work.
I could believe that in 30 years we would work more in a consultant way. Not only to grow business but also to speak with people like a psychiatrist.
Just think about the evolution in the past few decades. More and more people are living alone or have less friends than before. That happens regrading our new lifestyle. Living far from home because of our jobs. Coming home late. Having to much things to do. Spending to much time with stuff that do not need community at all like browsing the internet, watching tv or playing games etc.
But in a world whereby robots takes over everything, companies would prefer to go for robots than employing humans. It’s crazy!
Hi,
What you say is interesting..
I guess that indeed most jobs and tasks can be undertaken by robots.
However, for the moment we don't know how to simulate a mind through coding. I mean, there have been experiments showing that robots can learn and adapt themselves, even beat human beings in situations in which strategy and adaptation is necessary (go, chess, etc).
Still, do you think that one day we will be able to create robots able to create robotos by themselves? As their coding program is designed so that they are efficient, aren't we gonna lose some complexity (hard but still necessary)?
What you say is interesting..
I guess that indeed most jobs and tasks can be undertaken by robots.
However, for the moment we don't know how to simulate a mind through coding. I mean, there have been experiments showing that robots can learn and adapt themselves, even beat human beings in situations in which strategy and adaptation is necessary (go, chess, etc).
Still, do you think that one day we will be able to create robots able to create robotos by themselves? As their coding program is designed so that they are efficient, aren't we gonna lose some complexity (hard but still necessary)?
Hi
please do not misunderstand me. I am not afraid at all. I just want to know how you guys thinking about this subject.
I am pretty sure that we will still have jobs. Just think about the steam era or the digitalization. 50 years in the past everybody would be afraid to have so money machines working for us and replace simple work.
I could believe that in 30 years we would work more in a consultant way. Not only to grow business but also to speak with people like a psychiatrist.
Just think about the evolution in the past few decades. More and more people are living alone or have less friends than before. That happens regrading our new lifestyle. Living far from home because of our jobs. Coming home late. Having to much things to do. Spending to much time with stuff that do not need community at all like browsing the internet, watching tv or playing games etc.
Well, social isolation does not happen because of the technology, what it happens is that the social networks are changing, before the invention of the car most people never got out of their towns so it is obvious they developed a greater sense of belonging but things have changed since in order to find a job you need to move to the other side of the country, so people do not know who is living next door and so that sense of community is lost as a result.please do not misunderstand me. I am not afraid at all. I just want to know how you guys thinking about this subject.
I am pretty sure that we will still have jobs. Just think about the steam era or the digitalization. 50 years in the past everybody would be afraid to have so money machines working for us and replace simple work.
I could believe that in 30 years we would work more in a consultant way. Not only to grow business but also to speak with people like a psychiatrist.
Just think about the evolution in the past few decades. More and more people are living alone or have less friends than before. That happens regrading our new lifestyle. Living far from home because of our jobs. Coming home late. Having to much things to do. Spending to much time with stuff that do not need community at all like browsing the internet, watching tv or playing games etc.
But in a world whereby robots takes over everything, companies would prefer to go for robots than employing humans. It’s crazy!
We only shifting the simple work to robots and create on other places new.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
Its true every jobs are replaced with machines. Even i heard american's big selling site Amazon build a Robot which can deliver the parcel to your home. Its might possible to replace officer with robots in future. If this happen it can destroy the economy, if every person start depending on robots it can makes human lazy.
We only shifting the simple work to robots and create on other places new.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
But this shouldn't be confused with idleness of humans. If every operation will become automated, it doesn't mean humans will become unemployed or so because human life is ever evolving, if it find solution of one problem, it start evolving idea for some bigger problem. For example, 1000 years back humans were only concerned with farming and livestock because their life motto was to grow and eat but now less than 2% of world's population is involved in farming or agriculture because life motto has completely been changed now and become multi-dimensional.
Hi
please do not misunderstand me. I am not afraid at all. I just want to know how you guys thinking about this subject.
I am pretty sure that we will still have jobs. Just think about the steam era or the digitalization. 50 years in the past everybody would be afraid to have so money machines working for us and replace simple work.
I could believe that in 30 years we would work more in a consultant way. Not only to grow business but also to speak with people like a psychiatrist.
Just think about the evolution in the past few decades. More and more people are living alone or have less friends than before. That happens regrading our new lifestyle. Living far from home because of our jobs. Coming home late. Having to much things to do. Spending to much time with stuff that do not need community at all like browsing the internet, watching tv or playing games etc.
Well, social isolation does not happen because of the technology, what it happens is that the social networks are changing, before the invention of the car most people never got out of their towns so it is obvious they developed a greater sense of belonging but things have changed since in order to find a job you need to move to the other side of the country, so people do not know who is living next door and so that sense of community is lost as a result. please do not misunderstand me. I am not afraid at all. I just want to know how you guys thinking about this subject.
I am pretty sure that we will still have jobs. Just think about the steam era or the digitalization. 50 years in the past everybody would be afraid to have so money machines working for us and replace simple work.
I could believe that in 30 years we would work more in a consultant way. Not only to grow business but also to speak with people like a psychiatrist.
Just think about the evolution in the past few decades. More and more people are living alone or have less friends than before. That happens regrading our new lifestyle. Living far from home because of our jobs. Coming home late. Having to much things to do. Spending to much time with stuff that do not need community at all like browsing the internet, watching tv or playing games etc.
We only shifting the simple work to robots and create on other places new.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
I can't say I disagree with you, but when it comes to Doctors, and Police officers, or any type of those jobs that need to deal with very strong ethical decisions, I don't think that using machines is a good idea. Or at least we must be assured that a final decision, in a life or death situation is done by a real human. I know that humans can fail, but in the end that's what makes us human, and help us evolve. Even automated cars are dealing with some ethical dilemas. In a situation that an accident is imminent and death is most likely to happen, how you you program a car to decide what the end result will be?
As for those daily industrial jobs, I think that it's a great idea that they are done by machines, because no real decisions need to be made there, and machines are much more efficient than us in those type of jobs.
Although automation machines are dominating specific industries these days, human interactions are more my cup of tea. Especially, when jobs involve empathy, critical thinking, and such.
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There are studies which claim 50% of current jobs are vulnerable to automation. The potential for mechanizing jobs is debatable as are the implications. There are many indirect points of interest such as the end result of replacing humans who pay taxes with robots who do not.
Artificial intelligence is a hot topic at the moment with considerable myths and hysteria surrounding it. There are also political angles which could be taken into account in terms of military drones and robotic vehicles centralizing military power under a single authority. The survival of republics may depend upon decentralized power in the form of congress, senate and different branches of legislative power. Drones have a net effect of centralizing this power in a way which could empower totalitarianism.
It is possible that artificial intelligence is an incorrect term to describe the recent uptick in automated software. Many of the AI utilized in games like chess or go are brute force machines which attempt to calculate every possible scenario. There is a question as to whether a machine which brute forces every possible combination can be considered "intelligent".
Many of the gains in the AI industry have come from moore's law and the number of transistors etched in a silicon chip roughly doubling every 24 months. There is a considerable question mark as to whether a machine which utilizes brute force logic could ever fulfill the job of a police officer, fireman or role which requires considerably more critical thought and computational power than a simple game of chess.
Correct, computers do not use abstract thought the same way humans do, in order to solve problems computers use their speed of calculations to solve the problem, you give a good example in chess, now computers play better chess than humans but they do so by having millions of games in their memories and checking millions of variations on every position and that is not the way humans play chess at all. Artificial intelligence is a hot topic at the moment with considerable myths and hysteria surrounding it. There are also political angles which could be taken into account in terms of military drones and robotic vehicles centralizing military power under a single authority. The survival of republics may depend upon decentralized power in the form of congress, senate and different branches of legislative power. Drones have a net effect of centralizing this power in a way which could empower totalitarianism.
It is possible that artificial intelligence is an incorrect term to describe the recent uptick in automated software. Many of the AI utilized in games like chess or go are brute force machines which attempt to calculate every possible scenario. There is a question as to whether a machine which brute forces every possible combination can be considered "intelligent".
Many of the gains in the AI industry have come from moore's law and the number of transistors etched in a silicon chip roughly doubling every 24 months. There is a considerable question mark as to whether a machine which utilizes brute force logic could ever fulfill the job of a police officer, fireman or role which requires considerably more critical thought and computational power than a simple game of chess.
We only shifting the simple work to robots and create on other places new.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
Anything is possible in future since technology do evolve as the years passed by which we can really expect to see more new things or innovations that would be used on future.For sure almost things would really be automated specially when we do talk year 2050. that's 28 years from now and theres so lots of things would really change along the way but I agree on the fact that there are things that robots cant able to handle. There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
@khaled
why should this effect us. This is crap. Why should a machine get consciousness from nowhere.
Think about traffic lights. Before it was ruled by humans. And its still ruled by humans in developed countries. Self driving cars! Airplanes could land and take off by an algorithm.
All these example show that you already adoped machines and algorithm into your daily life for things people would never trust a machine decades before.
Most people are just too afraid about it. But anyway we will see that furture anyway because we like to have it convenient.
why should this effect us. This is crap. Why should a machine get consciousness from nowhere.
Think about traffic lights. Before it was ruled by humans. And its still ruled by humans in developed countries. Self driving cars! Airplanes could land and take off by an algorithm.
All these example show that you already adoped machines and algorithm into your daily life for things people would never trust a machine decades before.
Most people are just too afraid about it. But anyway we will see that furture anyway because we like to have it convenient.
Robots are meant to help us by completing hard and dangerous tasks and thus making our life easier and more comfortable.
But a robot should never replace a doctor or advocate because such jobs are conducted by human feelings and judgements.
I think you should watch some movies like IRobot or A.I. Artificial Intelligence to know that a robot can never replace a human, evenmore, it may have negative effects.
But a robot should never replace a doctor or advocate because such jobs are conducted by human feelings and judgements.
I think you should watch some movies like IRobot or A.I. Artificial Intelligence to know that a robot can never replace a human, evenmore, it may have negative effects.
I agree, and it's a good thing. If one's sole meaning and reason for being comes from forced wage slavery, then you need your damn head looking at.
why do you need a judge if you could connect the defendant to heart, sweat and brain activity machines which will know as soon as he is trying to lie?
You will know the truth. You just have to asked simple question.
Same for your medic. A group of real doctors will feed a database with information and rules. All the algorithms will ask the question and will do the necessary tests.
Thats it. What is your doctor doing if you have a cold. They ask you all the time the same question and do the same tests. why not giving that to a machine which have more knowledge and more detailed information?
You will know the truth. You just have to asked simple question.
Same for your medic. A group of real doctors will feed a database with information and rules. All the algorithms will ask the question and will do the necessary tests.
Thats it. What is your doctor doing if you have a cold. They ask you all the time the same question and do the same tests. why not giving that to a machine which have more knowledge and more detailed information?
@elegtion
thanks a lot. You got me.
Will watch that. I just can recommend the book for you Homo sapiens. Really good.
@MarioLuck
you dont get it. Its not about AI. Its more about algorithms. An algorithm needs only to combine several info and search for an result.
Even humankind works only with algorithm.
Why you like this kind of food and why you dont that one. This has to do only with your experience. Your whole life and also your whole behavior could be foreseeing if we could collect all your inputs you'd had in your life.
Nothing is no luck!
thanks a lot. You got me.
Will watch that. I just can recommend the book for you Homo sapiens. Really good.
@MarioLuck
you dont get it. Its not about AI. Its more about algorithms. An algorithm needs only to combine several info and search for an result.
Even humankind works only with algorithm.
Why you like this kind of food and why you dont that one. This has to do only with your experience. Your whole life and also your whole behavior could be foreseeing if we could collect all your inputs you'd had in your life.
Nothing is no luck!
We only shifting the simple work to robots and create on other places new.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
There will be still stuff to do which a robot will not able to do it. But not in 50 years.
Read the book Homo Sapiens. This guy write it just how it would be in 2050 and above.
Everything works with algorithms. Even a Police officer, lawyer or Doctor could be replaced by a machine.
Is going to happen in a much earlier time, quantum computer are in a very good state to be able to work with AI . After we create a General Artificial Intelligent machine with IQ same as ours , in matter of days this AI will be like god... Everything is detail after this.
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