All BTC disappeared from my Mt. Gox account

Kazimir

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Quote from: BCbitcoin on June 19, 2012, 01:05:56 PM

For those suggesting never using an exchange, how would you extract the btc to your currency? Do you just collect the btc?

Yes, of course, that is the whole idea.

Bitcoin is gonna be the (or at least a major) currency of the future, and I'd like to gather as much as I can now that they're still cheap.

However, don't get me wrong, this is by no means a reason not to spend bitcoins right now!
You see, pretty much any place that accepts bitcoins nowadays, still uses the current USD or EUR rates to determine their bitcoin pricing. Well, instead of buying their products with euros or dollars, I'd rather buy bitcoins and then pay for the products with bitcoins. Costs about the same (sometimes even cheaper due to USD/EUR differences) and helps boosting the bitcoin economy.

So I'm only using exchanges one way: from euros/dollars to BTC.

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Quote from: Raoul Duke on June 19, 2012, 02:30:02 PM

Quote from: BCbitcoin on June 19, 2012, 01:05:56 PM

For those suggesting never using an exchange, how would you extract the btc to your currency? Do you just collect the btc?

Have you ever thought about spending them, you know, buying stuff?

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Business_and_organizations_that_%22also_accept_Bitcoin%22,_but_are_not_Bitcoin_specific

^^I could find that list, but there's nothing there I would want to spend on. The other option is trading for gc's, and product with individuals but I'd think that would carry a greater risk than a quick extraction from an exchange.

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Scary stuff, will have to make sure to clear out my mtgox account on occasion.

AndrewBUD

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I love buying stuff.....

If anyone has bitcoins and doesnt know what to do with them... Give them to me to buy stuff.. I'll make a youtube vid Cheesy

Raoul Duke

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Quote from: BCbitcoin on June 19, 2012, 01:05:56 PM

For those suggesting never using an exchange, how would you extract the btc to your currency? Do you just collect the btc?

Have you ever thought about spending them, you know, buying stuff?

ALOIS

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because it is BTC, there is no way to get it back, but you should consider better security after this incident.

BCbitcoin

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For those suggesting never using an exchange, how would you extract the btc to your currency? Do you just collect the btc?

electronus

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Kazimir mine was easily1
so its dict word but with trailing 1
AFAIK accessing your account with tor will lead to ban. Tor IP-s are listed
in my situation reverse check of IP showed
Name: 88-83-55-135.customer.t3.se
Address: 88.83.55.135

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Quote from: Raoul Duke on June 19, 2012, 02:46:02 AM

Quote from: coinminers on June 19, 2012, 02:41:26 AM

OK, they now got back to me with the IP:

78.70.228.130

This is an IP in Sweden, which I also heard other people mention who got their money stolen from Mt. Gox accounts.

That's an IP from a domestic connection.

Time to pay them a visit.

Don't forget to attend this bitcoin shop first.

Wink

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Quote from: coinminers on June 19, 2012, 02:41:26 AM

OK, they now got back to me with the IP:

78.70.228.130

This is an IP in Sweden, which I also heard other people mention who got their money stolen from Mt. Gox accounts.

That's an IP from a domestic connection. Ofcourse it may be from a compromised computer Tongue

coinminers

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OK, they now got back to me with the IP:

78.70.228.130

This is an IP in Sweden, which I also heard other people mention who got their money stolen from Mt. Gox accounts.

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The IP address is in the MtGox withdrawal email, if you still have it.

Kazimir

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Anyone capable of guessing a password is probably also clever enough to use TOR + VPN + a chain of proxies to withdraw the funds. Still, it is retarded of Mt. Gox not to share this information with their customers.

Still wondering:

Quote from: Kazimir on June 18, 2012, 02:38:56 PM

coinminers, would you mind sharing what password you used for your Mt. Gox account? (assuming you changed your password in the mean time, if not, DO IT NOW)

I'm curious as to how (un)likely it is that somebody ~~hacked~~ guessed it.

And same for electronus:

Quote from: electronus on June 18, 2012, 03:31:44 PM

and somebody in Sweden stole my mtgox password

Could you reveal the password that got stolen? Also, of course, assuming you changed it in the mean time.

It would be helpful for others to see what is NOT a good password (not meant to ridicule you guys but as an honest advice and lesson for others).

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Quote from: stevegee58 on June 18, 2012, 04:30:05 PM

Still begs the question: what will someone do with an IP address? It's actually a useless piece of information anyway. It's already been decided in US courts that an IP address cannot be used to identify an individual person, only a household.

ISPs like Comcast do hold onto IP address info for some months but will only release customer info under court order, not to individuals.

Well, how about figuring out, for starters, if someone maybe logged into the computer at my office and did it from there,or if it's a complete stranger? In the former case I would be willing to accept more responsibility than in the latter.

What if they can't supply any IP records at all? Wouldn't that open MtGox up to questioning? What if someone did this stuff from THEIR backend. Wouldn't they then be liable for some kind of damage control?

I think there is a lot that can be gathered from IP records, at least much more than filing, out of all things, a POLICE report. Cheesy

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stevegee58 not for hunting purpose Grin

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but you can always use ripe or other nic to resolve country of origin
in my situation thats was Sweden and after nic tinkering I've linked leak of password with Opera Turbo mode, because they use Sweden-based servers as well Grin

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Quote from: coinminers on June 18, 2012, 04:24:43 PM

I myself co-own a business that supplies an online service and when our customers need IPs of people who have bid in their auctions, we will supply that information every single time, no questions asked, and 0 murders so far.

Still begs the question: what will someone do with an IP address? It's actually a useless piece of information anyway. It's already been decided in US courts that an IP address cannot be used to identify an individual person, only a household.

ISPs like Comcast do hold onto IP address info for some months but will only release customer info under court order, not to individuals.

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Quote from: stevegee58 on June 18, 2012, 02:44:00 PM

They won't and they shouldn't. Think about it. What would you do with someone's IP address if you had it? Suppose they told you the IP address and you somehowtracked down the perpetrator and killed him. Think of the liability that opens Gox (or any other business) up to.

I myself co-own a business that supplies an online service and when our customers need IPs of people who have bid in their auctions, we will supply that information every single time, no questions asked, and 0 murders so far.

If I told any of my clients that I'm afraid they may kill the person whose IP I supply, then that would likely be the last interaction I would had had with that client.

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Quote from: coinminers on June 18, 2012, 02:38:00 PM

My computer is safe, so is my password, I did not use this password on other sites, and I see no way how someone could have obtained it through fault of my own!

I doubt your computer is as safe as you think!

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I've got the same situation. All my usd amount was traded for btc, and then btc was withdrawed Grin

just before was used Opera with Turbo function enabled
and somebody in Sweden stole my mtgox password
consider this as unavoidable situation Cry

because I've got the same email answer from mtgox
can you publish here an IP address from where your funds was withdrawed?
and also consider to keep your btc on your pool or standalone wallet, and use mtgox only for trade and immediate withdraw for a limited amount of time, not for keeping btc or usd

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Quote from: stevegee58 on June 18, 2012, 02:44:00 PM

They won't and they shouldn't. Think about it. What would you do with someone's IP address if you had it? Suppose they told you the IP address and you somehowtracked down the perpetrator and killed him.

In that case email headers shouldn't contain IP addresses either.

The probability of someone actually killing someone for stealing bitcoins, based on their IP alone, seems to be insignificantly small to me.

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Leave law enforcement to the police.

Funny. I don't know where you are from, but here in Europe, the police DON'T DO SH!T about theft whatsoever. Let alone "theft" (they won't even call it that) of information which is not a tangible asset.

Crypto money, you say? Sounds like WoW gold to them. The probability of the police actually tracking down and prosecuting someone for stealing bitcoins, based on their IP, is exactly 0.000000000000000%

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