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Topic: All ICO driven altcoins will drop to zero in the longterm. Just by logic. - page 2. (Read 522 times)

newbie
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this is a good post and in simple terms it's correct, but any   serious ICO-funded projects, wouldn't just dump all their tokens?
it's the same as going bankrupt or something, there's hardly volume enough for 99% to sustain a dump, and when dev wallets start dumping, all trust is gone

No, don't misunderstand. A serious ICO project don't get fiat money to sustain business, they need to get it with selling tokens. No need to dump all coins or tokens immediatelly, just enough to pay monthly bills. But it's a question of time until the company has no more tokens left. This is the problem. Let's suppose that a specific ICO with good tech behind will grow and will earn fiat money or pushed into a real IPO. Then tokens are worthless anyway. Token holders won't get any shares from holding tokens, and IPO leads to stock investing. And if there is not a positive outlook, company goes broke - same problem, worthless tokens.

I need to dive more into the "utility" part of tokens, how they are in circulations, burned, utilized .... as some users exclude them from the logic path here, what I accept. From that point I include all tokens, which were only created to fund business. Those will definitely go to zero.
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 this is a good post and in simple terms it's correct, but any   serious ICO-funded projects, wouldn't just dump all their tokens?
it's the same as going bankrupt or something, there's hardly volume enough for 99% to sustain a dump, and when dev wallets start dumping, all trust is gone
full member
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So you think all icos are scam? I understand this from your thoughts. We can not think of all projects in the same context. Some of them are honest and doing their job. And they work really hard.



I said that a scam ICO is just a faster progress of dumping token money than a non-scam initiated ICO.
And even the legit ones are honest and work hard, they still need to pay workers. Guess how!
Not quite the right logic.What if tokens are interesting to ordinary users and they are in demand?Yes,it is possible to pay employees by selling tokens, but this is a drop in the ocean if the volume of sales of these tokens is very large.
member
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I think that the fact that they will need to sell their tokens does not play any role. They can also burn their tokens to increase the token value as all the major coins or tokens are doing at this moment.
newbie
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It´s completely clear that all Coins/Tokens will be valued zero. Why?

1) Because they are not securities. You don´t own any shares of the companies. You don`t get any dividends from their gains in the future (if any of them has the capability to earn FIAT money in the future).
2) ICO ... Initial Coin Offering, it´s just an other form of crowd funding. What´s the main problem with this approach? You finance the companies business operations. They must sell their tokens to sustain running their business. Or do you think they earn money other than in cryptocurrency? No, they don´t. It will last until all tokens are sold, then this companies are down and out. Simple. You sit on worthless tokens. Scams are just the rapid version of this process. Would ever a venture capital company invest FIAT into their business? Zero price is inevitable.
3) Point 1 and 2 are not clear for many users here ... It´s a big pump and dump scheme. Greater fools theory, not more not less.

Now I want to hear your opinions. We don´t talk about Bitcoin here, just about altcoins.
Based on your logic, those coins that we buy or get in some way, you need to sell and hold them does not make sense, because their price will be equal to 0. I do not think so, because each coin has its own value, thanks to its technology, which is supported and enhanced by developers.

Ok, let's divide utility tokens from the big rest. No utility means 0 in long term. Even utility doesn´t guarantee value if technology behind the project won`t be adapted by the mass.
newbie
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So you think all icos are scam? I understand this from your thoughts. We can not think of all projects in the same context. Some of them are honest and doing their job. And they work really hard.



I said that a scam ICO is just a faster progress of dumping token money than a non-scam initiated ICO.
And even the legit ones are honest and work hard, they still need to pay workers. Guess how!
legendary
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I think you are misunderstanding, there are many ICOs still living well today. And the value of the token will increase if the project proves that it is a feasible project and will bring good results. As for the pump and dump, I find that the stock has a similar situation, but the time period usually takes longer.
sr. member
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Not all altcoins will die out, and this is 100% information, as there are projects behind which there are large funds and large teams,and most importantly they have a really working product that will be in demand good,and even more so the future of digital technology!
An altcoin that doesn't move a bit in the market will eventually die and drop to zero in the long run. We do all have good altcoins to consider but the rest of it is just a bunch of shitty coins which is nothing. They were all the product of pump and dump in the market that doesn't give anything in the process or even in the long run.
full member
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Actually, I don’t think that all the coins will fall in price and leave the market, every coin is backed by real people and a pretty good project that needs time to be implemented.
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I don’t agree with you. There are also ICOs which launch exchanges. And the profit from quality exchange is fantastic. From these money they will support their tokens. Also there are other business models which can generate profit.
A token being listed on an exchange (even it its the no.1 in volume) isn't and indicator of it success and guarantees it will not be worth nothing. In fact, it is a prominent pattern that when a coin is listed, it will inevitably dump due to investors profit taking.
sr. member
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Actually, it's happening right now, pick any coin that held their ICO last year and you will find out, that these coins are not existing anymore, and if they are still here, the price is much lower than the ICO price and this is the reason why investors are having second thought investing anymore from the so many new ICO.
hero member
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ICOs are created for a short term profit making which is also more like a gambling game rather than being a real investment. and because of that their prices are only good for a little while although only those that win the "lottery" of ICOs can make profit, the rest will lose most of their money.
nobody has any faith in the future of them either, that is why everyone jumps ship at first opportunity they get.
full member
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In general, I think that yes, but only if they are not provided with anything, since most of the projects promise that investors or HOLDERS of these tokens may have some privileges when using or maybe something else. Therefore, I think that all this will definitely have value.
sr. member
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So you think all icos are scam? I understand this from your thoughts. We can not think of all projects in the same context. Some of them are honest and doing their job. And they work really hard.

copper member
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You are equally saying Bitcoin will eventually go to zero because they don't give you dividends..thats one point to prove that you are totally wrong on your analysis. Not all Coin or token will die off on the long term.  If a project has a good working products to substain it then it can last
hero member
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The high level of abuse we saw in 2017 to 2018 makes it difficult for me not to disagree with you on this point. they only care about what they could get from the space and not to deliver a product that no one is willing to use, because this is the problem with most of these tokens, no real use case or utility for the tokens and become useless
sr. member
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You have a point because some of these ICOs do not meet expectations after having a successful ICO. However, not all ICOs follow this trend, there are ones backed by experienced team members and a good product which is highly in demand. Projects like this are very difficult to hit back to zero.
Some may find the ICO which is nice, but for now, everything is really falling and no one could have expected. This could be also a scheme planned by others to take profit. for now, only time will be able to determine if this altcoin and ICO will be satisfactory or not for the long run later as the time before.
full member
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Not all altcoins will die out, and this is 100% information, as there are projects behind which there are large funds and large teams,and most importantly they have a really working product that will be in demand good,and even more so the future of digital technology!
full member
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It's not really worth generalizing. I agree that most of the projects are nothing and their coins in the future will be zero. But I have met worthy projects that will continue to exist in the future and, accordingly, the price of their coins will only grow. So very little, but they are and they can be found if you really try.
member
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I don’t agree with you. There are also ICOs which launch exchanges. And the profit from quality exchange is fantastic. From these money they will support their tokens. Also there are other business models which can generate profit.
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