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Topic: All new nodes are virtual server ... attack in progress to switch to 2Mb - page 3. (Read 2968 times)

legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1004
all these fake nodes still relaying only <1MB blocks.

watta pity. Cheesy

Yes, a pity to Bitcoin, but not to the altcoin trolls here who profit from this unspellable stupidity of the miners.

ohh so that's what it is about: classic stupid attempt at attacking bitcoin to pump some altcoin.


good job, still...

~not tonight dearies... Smiley

The backroom deal by Antfool/F2Fool/Bitfooly with BlockstR3eam/Core/PWC/AXA is either founded by suicidal stupidity of those pool admins, or it is collaboration with TPTB.
No third possibility.
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 1142
Ιntergalactic Conciliator
Why is this an attack? It is not.
No one is forced to install a classic node, and even miners aren't forced to switch to 2MB.

The main reason so that there are so many nodes on cloud is that before this situation all local classic nodes were under DOS attack.

i really can't understand how a staff legendary member of bitcoin community has so poor arguments
staff
Activity: 4270
Merit: 1209
I support freedom of choice
Why is this an attack? It is not.
No one is forced to install a classic node, and even miners aren't forced to switch to 2MB.

The main reason so that there are so many nodes on cloud is that before this situation all local classic nodes were under DOS attack.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
I am very sure that whining and this drama from a small group and especially from Armstrong, Gavin and Garzik hurts bitcoin. we all see this all of the recent months and you must be blind to not see this.
How can anyone trust and give power to only three developers and to a small group community that act like a religious secta with no technical background.
And is obvious that and you have no tech background with what you just write. There are much more problems with the block size increase than a simple switch that it seems you dont understand at all. Like you is all the Classic supporters unfortunately.
This is where their logic starts failing. They're claiming that Core is trying to restrict the network because of Blockstream. However, if you look at the people who signed the Core roadmap (as an example), you'd see 23/25 [1] agreement (where those two represent Gavin and Garzik). Both of them have not been significantly active in the Bitcoin development in recent times (coincidence?). Additionally, it makes zero sense to claim that development is centralized and then try to push it into even a smaller team. Armstrong is a separate story (promoting a Sybil attack and such).

ohh so that's what it is about: classic stupid attempt at attacking bitcoin to pump some altcoin.
Stall Bitcoin development by giving the keys to inexperienced people and stoners. Cheesy


[1] - Arbitrary number used to compare the amount of people that support it and those that don't (it was in some recent interview). I haven't counted the exact number of people.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
all these fake nodes still relaying only <1MB blocks.

watta pity. Cheesy

Yes, a pity to Bitcoin, but not to the altcoin trolls here who profit from this unspellable stupidity of the miners.

ohh so that's what it is about: classic stupid attempt at attacking bitcoin to pump some altcoin.


good job, still...

~not tonight dearies... Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 1142
Ιntergalactic Conciliator
Why has Blockstream become this evil company that people hate?

Realistically you're overreacting. This rant just shows how unreasonable you're being.

It's an attempt at a power grab. Nothing more.

its not about power.
Core can also add in the maxblocksize=2000000
bitcoinJ can also add in the maxblocksize=2000000
bitgo(btcd) can also add in the maxblocksize=2000000

and then everyone is on an equal playing field with a BUFFER to protect themselves for the future when MINERS decide to slowly make blocks slightly more than 1mb.

its just a buffer. just like the 1mb us a buffer when miners were only making 0.3mb blocks in 2012 0.5mb blocks in 2013 and 0.7mb blocks in 2014

the "POWER GRAB" is those causing contention by not releasing code to protect people. and forcing a contension hard fork, instead of every implementation having the code.

the "power grab" is those wanting to control when users get to have more buffer space and vetoing any natural growth because they have an agenda to push people offchain.

so if you are supporting anyone that refuses to expand the buffer. then you might aswell be stuck in 2013 making 500k blocks because someone you admire tells you not to upgrade

EVERYONE should be protected against any change. and with 2mb buffer everyone would be.
core still gets to do its segwit agenda. the 2mb buffer doesnt eradicate cores ability to create segwit.
because thats naively and ignorantly believing that getting passed the 2013 500k DB-bug was bad and by getting passed it no one can make new features again

what it does do is free users from needing to rely on core. and be free to use any of the 12 implementations available

avoiding adding the buffer hurts the community

I am very sure that whining and this drama from a small group and especially from Armstrong, Gavin and Garzik hurts bitcoin. we all see this all of the recent months and you must be blind to not see this.
How can anyone trust and give power to only three developers and to a small group community that act like a religious secta with no technical background.
And is obvious that and you have no tech background with what you just write. There are much more problems with the block size increase than a simple switch that it seems you dont understand at all. Like you is all the Classic supporters unfortunately.
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4788
Why has Blockstream become this evil company that people hate?

Realistically you're overreacting. This rant just shows how unreasonable you're being.

It's an attempt at a power grab. Nothing more.

its not about power.
Core can also add in the maxblocksize=2000000
bitcoinJ can also add in the maxblocksize=2000000
bitgo(btcd) can also add in the maxblocksize=2000000

and then everyone is on an equal playing field with a BUFFER to protect themselves for the future when MINERS decide to slowly make blocks slightly more than 1mb.

its just a buffer. just like the 1mb us a buffer when miners were only making 0.3mb blocks in 2012 0.5mb blocks in 2013 and 0.7mb blocks in 2014

the "POWER GRAB" is those causing contention by not releasing code to protect people. and forcing a contension hard fork, instead of every implementation having the code.

the "power grab" is those wanting to control when users get to have more buffer space and vetoing any natural growth because they have an agenda to push people offchain.

so if you are supporting anyone that refuses to expand the buffer. then you might aswell be stuck in 2013 making 500k blocks because someone you admire tells you not to upgrade

EVERYONE should be protected against any change. and with 2mb buffer everyone would be.
core still gets to do its segwit agenda. the 2mb buffer doesnt eradicate cores ability to create segwit.
because thats naively and ignorantly believing that getting passed the 2013 500k DB-bug was bad and by getting passed it no one can make new features again

what it does do is free users from needing to rely on core. and be free to use any of the 12 implementations available

avoiding adding the buffer hurts the community
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1004
all these fake nodes still relaying only <1MB blocks.

watta pity. Cheesy

Yes, a pity to Bitcoin, but not to the altcoin trolls here who profit from this unspellable stupidity of the miners.
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 1142
Ιntergalactic Conciliator
I remember that the same attempt has done before from Classic team and they proudly post their mining supporters to their site. Then you dont have a problem with this heh? And the deal if you remember was not only with miners but and with the biggest exchanges in the world and has and the user support the most part of them.
sr. member
Activity: 471
Merit: 250
BTC trader
How can anyone support those who place 95% of their nodes in tech clouds that can be eliminated with a phone call?
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1004
how can anyone support this idiots with that cheap tactics?

How can anyone support those idiots who sign backroom deals with 3 chinese people who control 70% of hash power?
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 1142
Ιntergalactic Conciliator
Why has Blockstream become this evil company that people hate?

Realistically you're overreacting. This rant just shows how unreasonable you're being.

It's an attempt at a power grab. Nothing more.

yeah if you have 5 developer from blockstream among the 80+ core developers is an attemp at power control of bitcoin. Instead if you have 1 of 3 Classic developers from Bloq is nothing more but a revolution Cheesy
full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 107
Why has Blockstream become this evil company that people hate?

Realistically you're overreacting. This rant just shows how unreasonable you're being.

It's an attempt at a power grab. Nothing more.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
all these fake nodes still relaying only <1MB blocks.

watta pity. Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 1142
Ιntergalactic Conciliator
In one of my nodes which i had 115 connections atm about 20% is Classic nodes.
legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 1142
Ιntergalactic Conciliator
If this is seen as a legitimate tactic, anyone with enough funding could start thousands of nodes for a few months on a centralized cloud service and make the rules.

Basically. That's why we call it a Sybil attack. A couple entities controlling thousands of nodes through a few datacenters isn't what I'd call "p2p." They won't even have any economic activity since they are not operated at home (I bet a good deal of their donators probably use Coinbase as a wallet LOL)...pathetic.

If fork goes through, what are they gonna do, keep donating to spin up nodes that they can't run at home? Sounds sustainable. Amazon running over 800 Classic nodes, Choopa LLC just brought over 1000 Classic nodes online in the past 1-2 days.

LOL. Not falling for that crap. Running my Core node. Smiley

Fork only happens if miners want to, it doesn't matter how many or which nodes there are.

You been told that running a node is important and if block chain grows too much there will be few nodes, but the truth is nodes don't have any real power in the network, it doesn't matter if there are 10000 or just 100 huge ones.

you are wrong with this. Nodes is a very important part of bitcoin ecosystem and the last defend in malicious attack from miners. For example in 51% malicious attack nodes can prevent the miner to destroy the network. In a hard fork scenario again nodes can block to relay the the new blocks and transactions.
The other danger think with such a sybil attack is that someone can easy use all of this nodes to get some informations from bitcoin transactions like to identify from where this transactions came from
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
in theory it's impossib le to stop, who can stop someone that have multiple server all across the globe that are node in the system?

it's not like there is something that can idenfity the owner(not talking about the ip...) of those servers
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1521
If this is seen as a legitimate tactic, anyone with enough funding could start thousands of nodes for a few months on a centralized cloud service and make the rules.

Basically. That's why we call it a Sybil attack. A couple entities controlling thousands of nodes through a few datacenters isn't what I'd call "p2p." They won't even have any economic activity since they are not operated at home (I bet a good deal of their donators probably use Coinbase as a wallet LOL)...pathetic.

If fork goes through, what are they gonna do, keep donating to spin up nodes that they can't run at home? Sounds sustainable. Amazon running over 800 Classic nodes, Choopa LLC just brought over 1000 Classic nodes online in the past 1-2 days.

LOL. Not falling for that crap. Running my Core node. Smiley

Fork only happens if miners want to, it doesn't matter how many or which nodes there are.

You been told that running a node is important and if block chain grows too much there will be few nodes, but the truth is nodes don't have any real power in the network, it doesn't matter if there are 10000 or just 100 huge ones.

Actually you are very wrong. Nodes make the rules. Hashpower doesn't. Miners can point hashpower at another invalid chain if they want. That doesn't force the users to follow them onto a forked network. If users do not follow, miners will simply go back to the original chain, where the network remains and where it is profitable to mine.

Miners are nothing without the users.
legendary
Activity: 2786
Merit: 1031
If this is seen as a legitimate tactic, anyone with enough funding could start thousands of nodes for a few months on a centralized cloud service and make the rules.

Basically. That's why we call it a Sybil attack. A couple entities controlling thousands of nodes through a few datacenters isn't what I'd call "p2p." They won't even have any economic activity since they are not operated at home (I bet a good deal of their donators probably use Coinbase as a wallet LOL)...pathetic.

If fork goes through, what are they gonna do, keep donating to spin up nodes that they can't run at home? Sounds sustainable. Amazon running over 800 Classic nodes, Choopa LLC just brought over 1000 Classic nodes online in the past 1-2 days.

LOL. Not falling for that crap. Running my Core node. Smiley

Fork only happens if miners want to, it doesn't matter how many or which nodes there are.

You been told that running a node is important and if block chain grows too much there will be few nodes, but the truth is nodes don't have any real power in the network, it doesn't matter if there are 10000 or just 100 huge ones.
legendary
Activity: 2870
Merit: 7490
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Seriously? They're very desperate, i bet rich classic supporters/fanboys is the one who run thousand nodes.
Maybe i should run a full node in VPS.

Maybe someone will try to DDoS classic nodes this time Roll Eyes
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