Just a few general questions here:
First, should we not all first and foremost agree that capturing this guy is good news?
Second, trial and conviction is perfect. We have over 200 such terrorist convictions under US law. Seven under military tribunal.
Third, those citing the NY Times investigation are exactly the same people for denounced the NY Times investigation for the conclusions it did make. And now they are here to cite the Times for what it did not conclude. Now that is funny.
Fourth, if the guy who led the terrorist attack claims it all started with a protest against the movie, who here thinks they know more than he did about that night?
Fifth, if it all did begin as a protest against the movie, so what? The first Intel reports given by Rice suggested that and that is good, it means they were right and the movie was a factor.
Sixth, there appears to be no al Qaeda connection here, offsetting a right wing claim that the intent was to coverup Al Qadea's continued existance.
Now if what the guy said is confirmed, then everything the administraiton said is absolutely true, largely the NY Times conclusion of their investigation.
So what? Good news, your government got it right.
Topic: Alleged Benghazi Ringleader Was Reportedly Responding To The Anti-Islam Video - page 2. (Read 3360 times)
June 21, 2014, 08:13:33 AM
June 21, 2014, 08:07:46 AM
I find it fascinating how the Obama administration has turned their supporters into just flat out blatant liars…
And how fast they run for the lie, they don't care if it makes them look foolish....
And how fast they run for the lie, they don't care if it makes them look foolish....
June 21, 2014, 07:53:53 AM
Earlier the prophet cartoons in the Danish daily Jyllands-Posten and now the anti-Islam video made by some Egyptian. Why these people are so intolerant? Worse things are said about other religions (some of them by Muslims themselves), and they seldom react the way Muslims do.
June 21, 2014, 07:33:00 AM
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Conservatives in the media have fixated on Obama administration statements shortly after the attacks suggesting that the video had been a motive for the attackers.
First, the administration didn't just "suggest" it then...they flat out lied about it for weeks. On September 14, the WH official blowhole flat out said that they did not have any intelligence that it was anything but a spontaneous riot over a video when we know for a fact that they knew that was completely and utterly false. Second, Mrs. Clinton was the first to "suggest" it that night before the attack was even over. Where did she get that intel, given both the SD and the CIA on the ground were saying the opposite in real time? We know for a fact from an email send to Mrs. Clinton the next morning that the SD had already informed Libya it was AaS.
There is zero doubt the administration lied and they knew they lied. That is not even disputable any more
June 21, 2014, 07:27:31 AM
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Why do you think most Americans now depend on FOXNews for the truth and ignore sources like MediaMatters? Why do you think that the New York Times is failing financially and is no longer trusted?
Could it be because they have been openly carrying Obama's water for the last six years and have given up any pretense of unbiased reporting?
Could it be because they have been openly carrying Obama's water for the last six years and have given up any pretense of unbiased reporting?
yeah.. the NY times debunked that shit... in their first interview with him... when the obama administration could not find him... he said absolutely nothing about any video...
and now... what a miracle... its about the video... what utter bull..... this is...
June 21, 2014, 06:57:09 AM
An alleged ringleader of the September 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, who is now in U.S. custody, reportedly told other Libyans during the attack that he was responding to an anti-Islam video that had been published on YouTube, demolishing a prominent right-wing media attack.
Conservatives in the media have fixated on Obama administration statements shortly after the attacks suggesting that the video had been a motive for the attackers. Conservatives have alleged that these statements were part of a deliberate effort to deceive the American people about the cause of the terror attacks in order to bolster President Obama's re-election campaign.
Ahmed Abu Khattala was captured Sunday by U.S. military and law enforcement in response to an indictment for murder in connection with his role as a suspected ringleader of the Benghazi attacks.
Abu Khattala told Libyans the night of the attack "that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video," according to The New York Times. From the Times:
What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video.
An earlier demonstration venting anger over the video outside the American Embassy in Cairo had culminated in a breach of its walls, and it dominated Arab news coverage. Mr. Abu Khattala told both fellow Islamist fighters and others that the attack in Benghazi was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
In an interview days after the attack, he pointedly declined to say whether he believed an offense such as the anti-Islamic video might indeed warrant the destruction of the diplomatic mission or the killing of the ambassador. "From a religious point of view, it is hard to say whether it is good or bad," he said.
The Times article is consistent with media reports from the scene of the attack that suggested the anti-Islam video had been a motive for at least some of the attackers. That video triggered anti-American protests across the Muslim world.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/17/captured-alleged-benghazi-ringleader-was-report/199771
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-captured-benghazi-suspect-in-secret-raid/2014/06/17/7ef8746e-f5cf-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html?hpid=z1
Why do you think most Americans now depend on FOXNews for the truth and ignore sources like MediaMatters? Why do you think that the New York Times is failing financially and is no longer trusted? Conservatives in the media have fixated on Obama administration statements shortly after the attacks suggesting that the video had been a motive for the attackers. Conservatives have alleged that these statements were part of a deliberate effort to deceive the American people about the cause of the terror attacks in order to bolster President Obama's re-election campaign.
Ahmed Abu Khattala was captured Sunday by U.S. military and law enforcement in response to an indictment for murder in connection with his role as a suspected ringleader of the Benghazi attacks.
Abu Khattala told Libyans the night of the attack "that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video," according to The New York Times. From the Times:
What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video.
An earlier demonstration venting anger over the video outside the American Embassy in Cairo had culminated in a breach of its walls, and it dominated Arab news coverage. Mr. Abu Khattala told both fellow Islamist fighters and others that the attack in Benghazi was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
In an interview days after the attack, he pointedly declined to say whether he believed an offense such as the anti-Islamic video might indeed warrant the destruction of the diplomatic mission or the killing of the ambassador. "From a religious point of view, it is hard to say whether it is good or bad," he said.
The Times article is consistent with media reports from the scene of the attack that suggested the anti-Islam video had been a motive for at least some of the attackers. That video triggered anti-American protests across the Muslim world.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/17/captured-alleged-benghazi-ringleader-was-report/199771
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-captured-benghazi-suspect-in-secret-raid/2014/06/17/7ef8746e-f5cf-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html?hpid=z1
Could it be because they have been openly carrying Obama's water for the last six years and have given up any pretense of unbiased reporting?
June 21, 2014, 06:31:08 AM
Lying about it will not help him anymore, it didn't save his presidency from failing…If it comes from a liberal, it's a lie
June 21, 2014, 06:27:11 AM
So we are supposed to be persuaded the administration did not the peddle a lie for WEEKS that Benghazi was a spontaneous protest over a video, which went awry when some bad characters seized the opportunity to join the fray. And the proof of that is a Media Matters piece which is based on a NYSlimes piece that just happen to come out after the lie unraveled but before the election? So this piece makes unsourced claims that a terrorist said something in private conversations?
Let me get this straight. WHILE in the middle of a preplanned terror attack, Abu decided then would be a good time to inform his follow terrorists why they were there? And it was nothing but pure coincidence that it happened on the anniversary of 9/11?
And this, to you, is more compelling than the testimonies of all those who were there, and every piece of hard evidence we have that shows the administration (both the CIA and SD) knew in real time there was no spontaneous protest and those attacking our unsecured facilities were Ansar Al Sharia?
Let me guess...you believe that only the computers of those tied to the IRS scandal actually crashed and destroyed pertinent email records and that was just one of those unlucky happenstances when there are multiple redundant backups required by law?
Lol. Yeah, I think that is about all I need to say about it.
Let me get this straight. WHILE in the middle of a preplanned terror attack, Abu decided then would be a good time to inform his follow terrorists why they were there? And it was nothing but pure coincidence that it happened on the anniversary of 9/11?
And this, to you, is more compelling than the testimonies of all those who were there, and every piece of hard evidence we have that shows the administration (both the CIA and SD) knew in real time there was no spontaneous protest and those attacking our unsecured facilities were Ansar Al Sharia?
Let me guess...you believe that only the computers of those tied to the IRS scandal actually crashed and destroyed pertinent email records and that was just one of those unlucky happenstances when there are multiple redundant backups required by law?
Lol. Yeah, I think that is about all I need to say about it.
June 21, 2014, 05:57:49 AM
An alleged ringleader of the September 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, who is now in U.S. custody, reportedly told other Libyans during the attack that he was responding to an anti-Islam video that had been published on YouTube, demolishing a prominent right-wing media attack.
Conservatives in the media have fixated on Obama administration statements shortly after the attacks suggesting that the video had been a motive for the attackers. Conservatives have alleged that these statements were part of a deliberate effort to deceive the American people about the cause of the terror attacks in order to bolster President Obama's re-election campaign.
Ahmed Abu Khattala was captured Sunday by U.S. military and law enforcement in response to an indictment for murder in connection with his role as a suspected ringleader of the Benghazi attacks.
Abu Khattala told Libyans the night of the attack "that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video," according to The New York Times. From the Times:
What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video.
An earlier demonstration venting anger over the video outside the American Embassy in Cairo had culminated in a breach of its walls, and it dominated Arab news coverage. Mr. Abu Khattala told both fellow Islamist fighters and others that the attack in Benghazi was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
In an interview days after the attack, he pointedly declined to say whether he believed an offense such as the anti-Islamic video might indeed warrant the destruction of the diplomatic mission or the killing of the ambassador. "From a religious point of view, it is hard to say whether it is good or bad," he said.
The Times article is consistent with media reports from the scene of the attack that suggested the anti-Islam video had been a motive for at least some of the attackers. That video triggered anti-American protests across the Muslim world.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/17/captured-alleged-benghazi-ringleader-was-report/199771
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-captured-benghazi-suspect-in-secret-raid/2014/06/17/7ef8746e-f5cf-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html?hpid=z1
Conservatives in the media have fixated on Obama administration statements shortly after the attacks suggesting that the video had been a motive for the attackers. Conservatives have alleged that these statements were part of a deliberate effort to deceive the American people about the cause of the terror attacks in order to bolster President Obama's re-election campaign.
Ahmed Abu Khattala was captured Sunday by U.S. military and law enforcement in response to an indictment for murder in connection with his role as a suspected ringleader of the Benghazi attacks.
Abu Khattala told Libyans the night of the attack "that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video," according to The New York Times. From the Times:
What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video.
An earlier demonstration venting anger over the video outside the American Embassy in Cairo had culminated in a breach of its walls, and it dominated Arab news coverage. Mr. Abu Khattala told both fellow Islamist fighters and others that the attack in Benghazi was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
In an interview days after the attack, he pointedly declined to say whether he believed an offense such as the anti-Islamic video might indeed warrant the destruction of the diplomatic mission or the killing of the ambassador. "From a religious point of view, it is hard to say whether it is good or bad," he said.
The Times article is consistent with media reports from the scene of the attack that suggested the anti-Islam video had been a motive for at least some of the attackers. That video triggered anti-American protests across the Muslim world.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/17/captured-alleged-benghazi-ringleader-was-report/199771
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-captured-benghazi-suspect-in-secret-raid/2014/06/17/7ef8746e-f5cf-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html?hpid=z1
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