Changing intent midway through isnt ideal, it would also be a scammer play around here.
Maybe lock the post and create a new one with a disclaimer as to why you locked the first one?
It isnt ideal either, but its an option.
Topic: Allow to make thread self-moderated even after posting (Read 525 times)
I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?
It's a good one if threads can be allowed to be edited to make it self moderated later after posting so that the OP will have the ability to take down some comment which shouldn't be on the thread just like you have mentioned but I think this too could be abused just like the way self moderated thread sometimes are been abused by OP in a way that some OP take down replies just because they don't feel comfortable with it probably it's was directed at pointing out some of their errors and the OP doesn't feel comfortable been corrected that way they will just delete such post. There's still another way out for you to lock the thread and create a new one from which you can make self moderated even before posting.Another way could be putting up a time frame to how long before you can no longer make a thread self moderated after posting just like the way it is with edit post such that even after 10mims of posting it will not reflect that such post was edited such be put in place for self moderation.
If you think what people are commenting is not good enough then you can report those post to the mod to have them deleted...
Not good enough isn't a rule violation, and more often than not, admins aren't going to delete such posts. A lack of quality in posting or spelling isn't the same as spam or off-topic posting. It can be if it ticks a few other boxes, but not necessarily. Yes you are right but it was based on op request..
Naturally I didn't see any sense to have made topic and after which topic owner would want to change their topic option to self moderated. There are some times I do come across post that aren't correctly spelled but since is not violating any rules then i finds no reason to report such post, the best op can have this topic locked and create a newer one with option he needed I believe this has been already suggested before.
Well, if members have posted in a thread and the OP decides to make it self-moderated then the only alternative would be to lock the thread and then create another but the effect would mean the posts within that locked thread would not transfer over to the new thread. It does sound unfair however if the error was not made by any OP by forgetting to self-moderate in the first place then subsequent issues would not arise. I think theymos will not make any alterations to the current self-moderated set-up.
I think this is least that can be done. If op forgot to make thread self-moderated while posting, allow him to do so within 10 minutes via edit option, as far as I can see, I see no cons in this option.
What about the users who would have commented on such a post within the 10 minute period, i am talking about users who only posted in the topic because it was not moderated by the op, still unfair to them if you ask me. If something like this would be implemented, then it should be in topics that have had zero replies, once there is one reply, it becomes impossible to do.
I think this is least that can be done. If op forgot to make thread self-moderated while posting, allow him to do so within 10 minutes via edit option, as far as I can see, I see no cons in this option.
What about the users who would have commented on such a post within the 10 minute period, i am talking about users who only posted in the topic because it was not moderated by the op, still unfair to them if you ask me. If something like this would be implemented, then it should be in topics that have had zero replies, once there is one reply, it becomes impossible to do. 
We have all been there, I have reopened threads on various occasions because I forget to tick the self moderation box and I always wish there was an option to convert those thread into a self moderation one, at least within the first few minutes of the thread been created just as you can edit your topics or replies within the first 10 minutes without it been indicated as edited. But unfortunately that option isn't available and you have to close the thread then reopen another with the self moderation feature.
People's fear are valid because this privilege can be abuse but having the option to be added just few minutes after posting won't damage anything. But on other note, the option shouldn't be available after the post has been posted more than 10 minutes. OP if the administrators does nothing about your suggestion you shouldn't be angry because it isn't a priori at the moment although the suggestion has been brought up in the past but it's something we can do without. We just have to be a little more cautious when creating our topics and not be in a rush to create our threads and if we mistakenly forget, just do the normal thing by locking the thread and reopening a new one with that self moderation option present.
People's fear are valid because this privilege can be abuse but having the option to be added just few minutes after posting won't damage anything. But on other note, the option shouldn't be available after the post has been posted more than 10 minutes. OP if the administrators does nothing about your suggestion you shouldn't be angry because it isn't a priori at the moment although the suggestion has been brought up in the past but it's something we can do without. We just have to be a little more cautious when creating our topics and not be in a rush to create our threads and if we mistakenly forget, just do the normal thing by locking the thread and reopening a new one with that self moderation option present.
I think this is least that can be done. If op forgot to make thread self-moderated while posting, allow him to do so within 10 minutes via edit option, as far as I can see, I see no cons in this option.
The way self-moderation option is put on interface, sometimes you forget it's there. Although, this is not what happened to me but can see it may have happened to others, and 10 minute edit window to make it self-moderated again will help mitigate that.
If you think what people are commenting is not good enough then you can report those post to the mod to have them deleted...
Not good enough isn't a rule violation, and more often than not, admins aren't going to delete such posts. A lack of quality in posting or spelling isn't the same as spam or off-topic posting. It can be if it ticks a few other boxes, but not necessarily. legendary
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I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?
We have all been there, I have reopened threads on various occasions because I forget to tick the self moderation box and I always wish there was an option to convert those thread into a self moderation one, at least within the first few minutes of the thread been created just as you can edit your topics or replies within the first 10 minutes without it been indicated as edited. But unfortunately that option isn't available and you have to close the thread then reopen another with the self moderation feature.
People's fear are valid because this privilege can be abuse but having the option to be added just few minutes after posting won't damage anything. But on other note, the option shouldn't be available after the post has been posted more than 10 minutes. OP if the administrators does nothing about your suggestion you shouldn't be angry because it isn't a priori at the moment although the suggestion has been brought up in the past but it's something we can do without. We just have to be a little more cautious when creating our topics and not be in a rush to create our threads and if we mistakenly forget, just do the normal thing by locking the thread and reopening a new one with that self moderation option present.
Yeah, in case all threads are self-moderated by default, there should also be an option in your profile settings to create standard and non self-moderated threads. If users abuse their rights and delete the posts of others without a valid reason, admins should have an option to remove the self-moderation ability of those members or punish them with temporary bans or in some other way. But considering that it creates additional workload, I doubt anything will change.
If anything, this will go down as another suggestion that has been made but will probably not come to fruition (like so many before). At best, it might get listed to appear in the to-do list for the new forum that we do not know will ever be released. Having said that I do agree with you it will not be considered as a priority and nothing will change.Some users intentionally do not reply in self moderated topics when they are created by specific users (E.G. trolls), because they will end up deleting your posts they feel butthurt by. Thus it will be unfair if this feature was added, as users could reply to certain threads that isn't moderated by the op, and the op later goes on to change it to a self-moderated one and start deleting posts.
In summary, i'd like to know from the beginning if i am replying in a self moderated topic or not.
Unless there are exceptional circumstances, I tend to avoid posting in threads that are started by those on my ignore list (including those considered trolls). Add to that the possibility of posting in their self-moderated threads then yes, I am one of those members that would most probably not post in threads they have created therefore I understand your point of view. In summary, i'd like to know from the beginning if i am replying in a self moderated topic or not.
There would be no better way to censor a thread than being able to reconvert a thread that wasn’t designed for that purpose back to being self moderated, users on the forum would use this to censor just about any thread. Then, we would have users who’s responses have been deleted, coming on to create a duplicate thread of there own to discuss the issue and you would have an uproar of responses here and there over what isn’t supposed to be of any value.
Should a comment be seen as unfit or doesn’t relate to the thread, the report to moderators button is always there to have it deleted. It would count as spam and spam comments would sure be deleted by moderators except otherwise.
Should a comment be seen as unfit or doesn’t relate to the thread, the report to moderators button is always there to have it deleted. It would count as spam and spam comments would sure be deleted by moderators except otherwise.
If you think what people are commenting is not good enough then you can report those post to the mod to have them deleted i think is another cool way to filter your thread than allowing the edit option to make it a safe moderated thread usually when you are creating you have to chose between these option before final publication and whatever that makes you post them you won't have that right or capacity to change any of these option you are requesting from admin.
Some users intentionally do not reply in self moderated topics when they are created by specific users (E.G. trolls), because they will end up deleting your posts they feel butthurt by. Thus it will be unfair if this feature was added, as users could reply to certain threads that isn't moderated by the op, and the op later goes on to change it to a self-moderated one and start deleting posts.
In summary, i'd like to know from the beginning if i am replying in a self moderated topic or not.
In summary, i'd like to know from the beginning if i am replying in a self moderated topic or not.
If there is an option that allows a universal setting it might be productive however on the flip side what would happen if all threads were created with self-moderation by default and the box had to be unchecked in order to create the thread without moderation?
Yeah, in case all threads are self-moderated by default, there should also be an option in your profile settings to create standard and non self-moderated threads. If users abuse their rights and delete the posts of others without a valid reason, admins should have an option to remove the self-moderation ability of those members or punish them with temporary bans or in some other way. But considering that it creates additional workload, I doubt anything will change.
I would not cite it as rambling, it is a very good suggestion. If there is an option that allows a universal setting it might be productive however on the flip side what would happen if all threads were created with self-moderation by default and the box had to be unchecked in order to create the thread without moderation?
I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance 
and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.
Imagine if there was a setting in our profiles that we could turn on to make new threads self-moderated by default? That way, you wouldn't have to bother remembering to tick the self-moderated topic option for each new discussion you create. You only do it once in your profile settings. Again, this shouldn't be available to all ranks or not at all. I am just rambling. and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.
It wouldn't be fair. Just lock the thread and open another if you wish to have it self-modded.
This is what I pictured as solution after reading the replies why it should not be. I had seen few members did that when they felt that way and better if you realise that you forgot to tick the self moderated check box while creating topic so the topic can be closed before getting any replies and can be moved it to archival or request for deletion and create the same topic with self moderated option.
According to Jollygood, if you forget the second time, you have to lock the second topic and repeat the process untill your brain stops failing you to make the post self moderated.
Before now, I had loved self moderated threads because it is the simplest means to prevent or mitigate spam. But after the incident of Ratimov in the forum, where he deleted his own posts even if they were important to the forum and he also had to delete the replies of others, including mine. That was when I understood the real disadvantage of self moderated posts in the forum. I have fallen out of love with self moderation because its abuse can be extreme.
You are always subjected to possible moderation every time you post on this forum. If the staff feels like your post breaks any forum rules or it gets reported, there is a possibility you will get moderated both in a self-moderated and standard thread. With OP's suggestion, you are just adding one more person to the mix that has the ability to moderate you.
I am always aware of the forum moderation and the rules it follows. Being on the forum and posting means I have to keep to the forum rules.With self moderated threads, the OP has local rules which doesn't necessarily have to be in line with the forum rules. They can delete my posts out of spite or the to control the direction of the conversation.
If I post in a self moderated thread, I am saying, "hey it is cool for me and I'm willing to play to the local rules." Making a post with no warning of it being self moded and that getting changed later on has too many cons.
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I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.
Imagine if there was a setting in our profiles that we could turn on to make new threads self-moderated by default? That way, you wouldn't have to bother remembering to tick the self-moderated topic option for each new discussion you create. You only do it once in your profile settings. Again, this shouldn't be available to all ranks or not at all. I am just rambling. and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.You are right. Maybe this could be the most reasonable solution for this case. And yes of course as you said, it should not be for all ranks. otherwise, all we have to face a ridiculous situation when we can see a bunch of posts are getting deleted
I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.
Imagine if there was a setting in our profiles that we could turn on to make new threads self-moderated by default? That way, you wouldn't have to bother remembering to tick the self-moderated topic option for each new discussion you create. You only do it once in your profile settings. Again, this shouldn't be available to all ranks or not at all. I am just rambling. and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.legendary
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Sometimes I also feel if it is possible it would be good. But as we know scammers of course abuse it too much. And at some point, it will be more worst thing ever in the forum .
It's better to think twice about making the topic self-moderated while creating a new topic. I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.
Btw what will if we have the additional options open and can see them without clicking there? Or Only the Self Moderated option can be visible somewhere without clicking any button?
.It's better to think twice about making the topic self-moderated while creating a new topic. I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance
and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one. Btw what will if we have the additional options open and can see them without clicking there? Or Only the Self Moderated option can be visible somewhere without clicking any button?
Self moderated threads have a warning there telling other users to avoid posting if they don't want to be moderated by the OP, changing it after a user already posted means they get to be subject to something they may have not wanted.
You are always subjected to possible moderation every time you post on this forum. If the staff feels like your post breaks any forum rules or it gets reported, there is a possibility you will get moderated both in a self-moderated and standard thread. With OP's suggestion, you are just adding one more person to the mix that has the ability to moderate you.OP's suggestion has both positives and negatives.
There are cases when a user might have wished that they created a self-moderated thread if the discussion starts moving in an undesirable direction. If that happens, a button press to allow self-moderation would be a welcome change.
But it also opens the door to abuse as others rightly said. Just recently, we had a case of a well-known legendary member deleting and editing all their OPs. No need to mention any names, most people know who I am talking about. Imagine if they had the ability to go on a self-moderated post deletion spree as well which affected hundreds of users? It would just look bad.
But perhaps to limit such incidents, turning a normal thread into a self-moderated one could be a feature only available to certain ranks. Similarly to having the ability to wear an avatar, theymos could perhaps enable it for Full Members and above.
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