Topic: Almost automated managing of +60 social bounties at the same time? Tagging? (Read 883 times)

At first, I felt butthurt when reading that thread (it was in Meta before). Like c'mon, I'm using my imagination to shill that ICO and some smart ass using a random text generator! Then I thought that my way is unnecessary time consuming and nobody cares. If I want to earn a little bit more than peanuts, I need to choose a quantity over quality (because again nobody cares). So I started to appreciate this guy sharing with me his more advanced way. It's not cheating if one use 1 account per campaign. Now the only problem is to find 60 campaigns, heck, I'm even struggling to find 6. And it's not eliminating the hardest part of dealing with BM not counting your stakes (this is so common for Twitter bounty).

I have mixed feelings about this one too, I hate spammers and multi account campaign cheating bounty hunters.

From reading through all the post on here, what I can gather is most people are upset about the idea that he is using his 'system' to promote/help spam post on the forum. Now, reading the topic post in question and his responses, I can't see any where that mentions using it on the forum. Even the topic post for this and his post says social bounties.

The only reference I can see to BCT forum is when adding the campaign link to the spreadsheet.

3. Link to a bounty thread on BCT forum (for pasting formed reports, checking any changes in rules and all news about the project)

Now this next example that I seen posted earlier is clearly for custom text for Twitter and Facebook. Sure, to some degree it could be used on the forum, but again I don't see it mentioned for that use.

Text generator

The tab Texts includes 200+ texts examples which will be used for text generator with all project hashtags. Let me say that the quality of texts is low. I'm using other examples. If you want a good quality - make your own texts  Wink
!IMPORTANT! You should paste "(tag)" at the beginning of your text, it will be replaced by unique hashtag of the project. It is necessary for correct work of parser! Otherwise, the parser may not find a tweet/post!

Example of correct text: "(tag) project has an amazing potential and a solid team to realize the idea! #1 #2 #3"

The tab Hashtags - into the column Project fill in a project name; into the column Hashtags fill in all project hashtags which bounty manager asked to mention. !IMPORTANT! The first hashtag must be the unique hashtag. In most cases, the unique hashtag is the same as project name but not all the time. The column Autofill is filled in automatically.

The tab Generator - choose the project from the list, click the button choose random string - it will choose a random text, then click the button copy to clipboard. OK, now you could paste it into Twitter/Facebook/ect. new post window. The button copy only hashtags copies only hashtags of the chosen project.

I personally think he just thought he would be helping others out. Twitter and Facebook is just covered with spam like this and it annoys me but I can't see how he has broken the rules here, considering he doesn't mention using it on forum.
I think the spam on social media for bounties will have to be stopped by bounty managers at some stage. It will be hard when they have some campaigns with 10k+ bounty hunters in the Twitter section, that's a lot of work.

I think this is not even about Bounty Managers at all, it's all about the ICO's Marketing team.

Unfortunately that's how MOST of the ICO buyers understand a successful ICO: High number of participants in Telegram, High Twitter Network, High Facebook Followers equals good ICO.
It's a weird formula (at least by how I understand)

STRONG SOCIAL MEDIA = TRUSTWORTHY ICO (?)

We all know it's true, we can find countless scam ICO's that were hugely big in their social medias, but turned out to be scams. That's because people that buy tokens in ICO's, at least at this point, care more about the visibility of the project in the social media: more followers equals more people interested, more people interested equal more potential buyers, more potential buyers equals more profit for me when I want to sell.
And, let's be honest, it kind of works that way... people get into ICOs to profit (mostly), not because of interest in the project itself.

So I think this whole situation is being caused by an ICO system that values spamming on social medias MUCH MORE than real interested people in the project.
It's a root cause... not very easy to change in the short term.

Most bounty managers don't care about this,  what they are actually after is the number of participants they have, check some of this tweet and facebook campaign spreadsheet, you will been seeing more than 3,000 participates, all spamming facebook and twitter.
In as much as you are not breaking any rules you are good to go, even if you grammar is bad, They don't care, just have the URL of their website and the required hash tags, you will get your stake.

I see no reason why we should be bothering ourselves on this.

This thread was not intended to personally punish you, my idea was to draw a line between what is acceptable and what is wrong according to the DTs, because here in the forum there are already thousands of different abuse cases as almost everyone is trying to cheat the system one way or another.

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Here is an example of what we are trying to stop:


At least he is asking if it is OK.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-it-ok-3466428

So do I.


I think you’ve got a point here but you are making a lot of money thanks to a forum flooded with spam and you are contributing to it. I’ve been reading your posts and I think if you used your intelligence to become a good poster you would be very respected on this forum and you could join the highest earning signature campaigns. In the long-term though.

You are an engineer and you have automated such a system. Could you think of automating something helpful for this forum? Like an automated way to detect shitposters? If you found a way to do it and you made a post explaining it you would earn lots of merits and that would help you to rank up easily.

I don’t think there should be a fee in order to acquire a rank of “Bounty Manager”. It should probably be earned through trust or sort of like how merits are earned. The mods or DT members should be able to give them some points of some sort which establishes them as worthy to become a bounty manager because they are able to do their job well.

However, even if a system like that will be established, not all will choose to hire an “established” campaign/bounty manager for their campaigns especially if it will cost a high fee. It would be cheaper if they hired someone who offered low fees even if they are not well known, so long as its for a lower price. Quality post may not be so important for them because their aim is advertisement and promotion - a job that may be done through spamming.

But, if the community chooses to solely participte in campaigns managed by the “established” campaign managers because of their well known trust and integrity, then its possible that the allowance of anyone becoming a bounty manager will slowly dissipate. Quality posters will be known as a great way to advertise a signature because it has been payed for good money. Also, a good and quality post is always more attractive than a shitty/non-sensical one. Once a quality post is encountered, the likeliness for the signature to be clicked is increased and those seeking to run a campaign would now want to hire quality posters and not just users who post numerously.

I did not want to be a "bad guy" in all this story and did not think that automation of the process is a negative thing while all the time the Humanity striving to automate everything to make life easier. I thought that my topic will help some people who really need it because true spammers and multi-account keepers do not give a shit about any threads except the bounty thread. But we all know that while the system allows you to get profit from these actions, from actions that could be automated - they will continue. I agree that the merit reform was a great idea, now another one concerning bounty campaigns is needed- when you will be paid for your own thoughts when there will be strict rules about the quality of shared content when you will need to prove your value for the project and the community. It doesn't scare me because I am ready to contribute my time if it worth it. But now it doesn't and I decided that my way will be much profitable and all I did was adapt to the system.

The updates and keeping tabs isn't much of an issue but its not as innocuous as you are making it sound Loyce. How do you feel about the automatic text-generation part??


200 random texts generated with the required tags inserted into the sentence. I think it is encouragement to spam/ plagiarism to use these pre-defined texts for all the projects. What are the other opinions?

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To the OP, There are a lot of people here with the same problem of bad governments and low paying jobs. More than half the world has that problem. We are all in the same boat. You claimed to be genuinely interested in the forum while ignoring all the concerns being raised about spam due to ICO threads. If you had followed the forum, you'd know that joining 60 bounties isn't really what the forum is solely about.

Not all of these ICOs should be clubbed as useless but when there is no real discussion and people are only going to post generic shit, then where will the value come from? The spam and automated posts aggravates the problem of there being no way to distinguish between a fake project and a good one, in terms of the marketing space they gather. Crytpo is supposed to be a community thing. If all that the community does is get co-opted into scams by joining as many of these as possible, after being enabled to auto-post with pre-defined texts, then where will the self-regulation come from?

It's not a problem when the majority of your posts are of stellar quality. Short posts don't always mean garbage neither but what some of these people are getting away with is criminal. In bounties it is common for some users to copy and paste previous replies in the same thread.

I don't understand that either.  Even though I would be posting on bitcointalk if I wasn't in a signature campaign, I still try to put some extra effort into most of my posts because I'm being paid a pretty penny to post--and that was true in other campaigns I've been in for the past few years, including Yobit.  Yes, I've written some short posts that could be considered garbage, but by and large I think I do a decent job.  I don't just plop down something that takes seconds to think of and write, and yet that's exactly what a lot of these bounty shitposters do--and I know that in their countries, what they get paid from those bounties can buy a hell of a lot more than in my country.  My feeling is that they should at least try to do a good job for the amount of money they're making. 

But nope, in the end they're just spammers--and illiterate & lazy ones at that.

I didn't tag that guy, Lauda did.

I have mixed feelings about this case. I hate spam, but I don't think "inventing" a more efficient method to join a bounty campaign is bad. That is, assuming the campaign requires dumb tasks such as "share on Facebook", "retweet" and "copy link into Google Forms". Plagiarism and fake entries are much worse for a campaign manager.

There are much worse spammers on the altcoin board than you. I've seen countless people enter total nonsense when they join campaigns, without reading anything. It's actually refreshing to see a "bounty hunter" who's intelligent and writes complete English sentences.

For what it's worth, I don't think you deserve the red trust. Especially because of this:

If you've found a way to join more campaigns in an easy way: good for you! I haven't seen any campaign that asks you to do dumb tasks manually. If your entries qualify, it shouldn't matter.
However, if people start (ab)using your method to join with dozens of accounts, it's not good. But that's been happening long before you posted it.

And yet, with "bounty hunters" spamming their own small circle, ICOs manage to raise several billion dollar per year. Somehow the spam just works for them.

I've manually checked thousands of bounty entries, and I can tell you that I'd love to automate that too! It feels more boring than working at a conveyor belt, and those too have been automated.
I don't think improving posting efficiency is bad for the bounty campaign. It beats the countless people who submit invalid entries.

Yes, knowledge is more important for me and this forum wasn't my start point to cryptoworld. Sure I found and keep finding a lot of useful and interesting topics here but most part of the time I spend for reading articles, Solidity learning, listening to podcasts, etc. But let me clear something for you. You can think and you can say whatever you want and name things whatever you like but I've studied for 5 years and working for 12 hours a day now as an engineer for 400$ per month. And it is not because I am a bad specialist, its because my government is full of corrupted assholes who don't give a shit about young people like me. And I dont want to spend all my life working there so when I found out that I could earn the same amount of money or even more by promoting interesting projects spending about half of my work daytime...well it interested me. I thought that it could help me to quit the job and spend much more time with books and practice and I will focus on this sphere. But sure you are too experienced and know me very well to say that it is all is just my huge greed. That I just want to buy another house or car like someone said above. Do you think I can afford it on my 400$? No, I can't so don't judge me just for making a convenient way of managing campaigns. I did it all manually and spent much more time and now I made a system that allows me to spend less time and direct it to reading and learning. And I knew that this market already was full of bots and spammers and my tools did not make things worse but could help someone like me who sees the future in this technology and want to free some time. Since the cryptoworld became popular you should know that marketing will become a big part of this forum. Do I think that my post was useful and quality? Yes, I do but you find posts where some guy tells you about how many Merits Legendaries and Heroes spend per month or something like that much useful.

This is predominant because people have a very large number of campaigns to keep up it. If this guy was doing his act ities manually, I'm sure he won't be able to be in such number of bounties. But in order to complete his task, he has to improvise. I want to even ask is his method wrong?

Exactly. What you have here is greed preying upon greed. Most of the people claiming these bounties via twitter and facebook are doing so with fake accounts in their dozens so their actual worth to bounty campaigns are slim to none because they're advertising to either no real people or just hundreds of other bounty spammers. The followers of these accounts also consist of the same: other fake throwaway accounts or just more spammers who are following each other just to bolster their own numbers. Bounty campaigns don't really care because any advertising is better than nothing and it's free to them when they've pre-mined a crapcoin so what have they got to lose. All they want is exposure no matter what and of course there are thousands of bounty hunters with their dozens to hundreds of accounts each who are going to capitalise on this and thus the cycle of spam and greed continues.

You need advice to win back trust? I already gave it to you. Of course you ignored it because the associated task doesn't have anything to satisfy your greed for money. Maybe you missed my reply . By your own admission, you like to surf BCT and discuss topics.. You also think that knowledge is more important to you than money . If you are really that interested in the forum, how is it that you have missed noticing the constant worry of the old members about the quality of forum due to bounty abusers and spammers?? You have then gone on to ENABLE generating this spam for all the "WORKERS who are already doing very hard work" at the forum.

Do you see the contradiction in your statements and actions?? You won't if all you continue to care about is your own need for moolah. Your post is shared and the damage has been done. Theymos introduced the merit system so people would focus on quality of posts. Posts that enabled spam wasn't exactly what he had in mind. As far as your account is concerned, rest assured that there is no love lost among the DT members who actively tag spammers and shitposters. You cannot even begin to understand the kind of loathing reserved for them. These lone vigilantes spend hours tagging these idiots but they keep coming back with a flood of Jr. Member spamming accounts, just like yours.

You should take inspiration from some of the better members who rose strictly because of their involvement and their contribution. You can apply signatures and earn bounties with a manageable number of campaigns. Of course, you won't earn as much as with 60 bounties but then you care about knowledge more, right?? Speaking of knowledge, maybe you can browse through some of the topics listed here.

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For shitposters and people who feign genuine interest in bitcoin while all they care about is money, it'd do you good to read this post and try to understand that this community project meant much more than enabling ICO spam.

now the bounty participants began to develop and have a good mindset
they are trying to profit as much as possible using a variety of ways
but the wrong way, will accept its own risk
I think the manager is now more accurate in examining the contribution of their bounty work

Try ASKING the one who gave you that RED TAG. If you're really at it (Doing some formal works without having abusing the rules) then maybe he will be able to remove it. But if the accusations we're definitely true and has a lot of evidence then sorry mate, There's also THE PHARMACIST whose gonna mark you also RED.

What I fail to understand is a lot of them don't even put in any effort at all. I don't know about you, but I find the majority of the population is motivated by money, and as a result if they are getting paid a good wage as opposed to other jobs then they would put in effort to keep that going. Especially, since there's a lot of competition in the 'market'. Instead they spew non English replies out, and quite often are found guilty of plagiarism.

Even though the above is a poor attitude it's better than making no effort at all. 

Yep, and it apparently isn't peanuts--especially if you live in the poorer parts of Asia or wherever.  It makes me wonder how these bounty participants are living in real life, because I suspect that some of them can earn enough money to actually purchase a house.  I don't know that for sure, but I'm very curious about their earnings.

No mixed feelings on my part.  I think these guys are basically variations on the typical e-mail inbox spammer, the kind of stuff you'd see before filters, advertising male enhancement crap and get-rich-quick schemes.  They spend their time and energy on activities which only benefit themselves and do nothing to benefit anyone else.  The sickening part is, as I've alluded to above, that they earn incredible amounts of money doing this.

We've been over this ground many times before.  Theymos needs to crack down on these project developers; bounty managers need to weed out alt accounts and neg-rated users; and bounty participants need to meet a minimum standard for posting on bitcointalk.  The social media aspect of this is less concerning for me, since it's up to FB/Twitter users to filter out spam--but this shit has gotten out of hand here and someone needs to slam on the brakes.