(Almost sure)brainwallet.org stole 22BTC from me - page 5.

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Quote from: Za1n on August 07, 2015, 08:58:31 PM

Quote from: ransomer on August 07, 2015, 08:00:29 PM

This is still th biggest hinderance to bitcoin getting mass recognition.

It is far to unsafe to store any real wealth in for the average person.

Exactly, and the all the useless posts that usually accompany such sad events saying the victim should have done this or that, or used this other wallet, or they were foolish for using said wallet, or site, will not change this basic fact. Until a secure wallet can be developed that doesn't take a month of hard core research to figure out all the ins and outs before using, the average Joe will stay away.

Downloading Electrum and installing it doesn't require any hard core research and making offline cold storage wallets with it or with downloaded bitaddress doesn't take any hard core research either, if you're too careless with your money and use online tools to generate addresses or store funds in online wallets than sooner or later you'll get robbed, it's same like keeping your fiat with unknown strangers and expecting that they don't steal it.

Any average Joe who's familiar with Computers and Internet can easily maintain Cold storage wallets for bigger funds and a Hot wallet for day to day expenses, it's not the problem of bitcoin, it's just that people take things too lightly.

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Quote from: ransomer on August 07, 2015, 08:00:29 PM

It is far to unsafe to store any real wealth in for the average person.

I'm an average person. I've been using Bitcoin for over 4 years now. I've never lost a single coin.

All it takes is some responsibility. I learned enough (common sense really) to realize that private keys were the "key" to security. After that, it's child's play.

Create secure private keys offline, keep them offline, and your bitcoins will be quite secure.

Learn a little bit about shamir's secret sharing and you will have an asset that is more secure than any traditional asset known to man.

Data is easy to copy, so do it!

There is reliable, open source software which will accomplish all your bitcoin security needs without any additional education (beyond the basics I just mentioned) for the user.

So... I'll rephrase your post as follows: It is far too unsafe to store any real wealth in for the irresponsible, ignorant, unmotivated person. As it should be.

flock123

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22btc BTC was not a little, I guess happens hack in brainwallet.org Undecided

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Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on August 08, 2015, 01:04:22 AM

If you're using a brainwallet, move your coins - NOW!

On August 7th I will be giving a talk at DEF CON about cracking brainwallets. As part of that talk, I will be releasing a fast[1] brainwallet cracker. I'm writing this post to provide a little insight as to why I'm giving away a tool that could be used to steal. I also hope that people who are currently using brainwallets will take notice and move to a more secure storage method.

https://rya.nc/defcon-brainwallets.html

http://de.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g7bpa/brainwallet_shut_down_permanently_due_to/

SHA256 your passphrase IMMEDIATELY and move your coins to trezor, electrum, etc.

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In Satoshi I Trust

If you're using a brainwallet, move your coins - NOW!

On August 7th I will be giving a talk at DEF CON about cracking brainwallets. As part of that talk, I will be releasing a fast[1] brainwallet cracker. I'm writing this post to provide a little insight as to why I'm giving away a tool that could be used to steal. I also hope that people who are currently using brainwallets will take notice and move to a more secure storage method.

https://rya.nc/defcon-brainwallets.html

http://de.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g7bpa/brainwallet_shut_down_permanently_due_to/

AgentofCoin

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See this as well:

"Why I'm releasing a brainwallet cracker at DEFCON 23"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-im-releasing-a-brainwallet-cracker-at-defcon-23-1147035

OP, in light of the above link, it is possible that your "phrases" were not complex enough.

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SEE:

Brainwallet shut down permanently due to presentation
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g7bpa/brainwallet_shut_down_permanently_due_to/

Gleb Gamow

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Quote from: ransomer on August 07, 2015, 08:00:29 PM

This is still th biggest hinderance to bitcoin getting mass recognition.

It is far to unsafe to store any real wealth in for the average person.

I concur with that vinyl wallets and ladies' purses are also unsafe to store any real wealth for the average person. When are people goin' to start protecting their assets? Just the other day I read somewhere that some dude put his wealth in the hands of some third-party dude who just showed up on the scene outta nowhere. He's now braggin' to others about how safe this newly found dude's business is and that all should join in on the fun via espousing the adage, "A rising tide raises the Ponzi ship."

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The site owner can just record all the pass phrase type on their website.

johnyj

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Beyond Imagination

I remember seeing some chinese promoting brainwallet, maybe there is a backdoor inside their script that is not detected by others, so that each generated wallet are strongly related to the same seed that the site owner has Roll Eyes

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'The right to privacy matters'

Op I am sorry you lost 22 btc. I can only hope you used many wallets from other sources and this is only a small piece of your money.

if you kept 22 btc in brainwallet and did not have other accounts in other sites you kind if set yourself up.

AgentofCoin

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Quote from: tautvilis on August 07, 2015, 07:19:17 PM

I am the owner of this address 1JqL1fp2nfuoSKirnRLjqUbQpf7Pou7mXR here are proves

Code:

I tautvilis am the owner of this address 1JqL1fp2nfuoSKirnRLjqUbQpf7Pou7mXR
HNC22GYmWi19BFHQa7iH54WLIWGk4RqczGkkJM0BScfP5dtXepwU5hjHXdLClOHhq1f8Lpmsg95FCLrW9ANkOto=

Recently someone stole 22BTC from that address.I am 100% I haven't downloaded any malware I haven't entered any suspicious sites I haven's used tor or did anything unusual.But what I did was I used brainwallet(only with that address luckily) I haven't suspected it but today when I wanted to use it I seen it is down and I want to know if someone else lost funds due to this.If you are a hacker and you are watching this please kindly return the coins to 1NcA77gqawRSsi9ara5omk2ajKS5bJLZM7

If what you are saying and believe is true, I think we will all hear more stories like this in the coming days.
I looked at where your 22 BTC went to and if correct, seemed to have gone to a wallet that has many deposits from Chinese exchanges.
This is where I think it went to:
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/00e625faa0d1f2ae?from_address=1EKD2D7bRQykMXHRGaChMQUH36bEk8x3yU
Large amounts of BTC being moved around.

Whether your theft is related to brainwallet.org or maybe a virus/malware or etc, sadly it seems to be gone for good.

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Quote from: ransomer on August 07, 2015, 08:00:29 PM

This is still th biggest hinderance to bitcoin getting mass recognition.

It is far to unsafe to store any real wealth in for the average person.

Whether we like it or not, there are likely to be Bitcoin banks that take care of this for most people.

Za1n

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Quote from: ransomer on August 07, 2015, 08:00:29 PM

This is still th biggest hinderance to bitcoin getting mass recognition.

It is far to unsafe to store any real wealth in for the average person.

Exactly, and the all the useless posts that usually accompany such sad events saying the victim should have done this or that, or used this other wallet, or they were foolish for using said wallet, or site, will not change this basic fact. Until a secure wallet can be developed that doesn't take a month of hard core research to figure out all the ins and outs before using, the average Joe will stay away.

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

how strong was your passphrase?

faridkifly

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I'm sorry to hear that dude
Do you think to move your wallet? I think paper and offline wallet is better

ransomer

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This is still th biggest hinderance to bitcoin getting mass recognition.

It is far to unsafe to store any real wealth in for the average person.

juankburke

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oh this is bad Sad

and i doubt the hacker will return even if he is watching but nothing wrong to hope for best... i tried to open the website it says closed permanently

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Quote from: franky1 on August 07, 2015, 07:37:22 PM

if you used brain wallet and the passphrase to create the address had less characters then this sentance.

then you probably had a weak passphrase that any script kiddie could hack using random character generators

This could be likely, however I just tried loading https://brainwallet.org and it just loads two words: 'Closed Permanently'

Who knows whats happening, but being closed permanently sounds like brainwallet.org is done.

OP, How did you use you use brainwallet? By getting the source from Github, then copy that Javascript to a machine offline? Or by loading the actual web-page from https://brainwallet.org on a machine connected to the internet?

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if you used brain wallet and the passphrase to create the address had less characters then this sentance.

then you probably had a weak passphrase that any script kiddie could hack using random character generators

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