Topic: Alt account or loan defaulter [Obari] - page 2. (Read 1805 times)

I just want to add to this, Lordhermes, an account linked to the farm, also posts in the same style:


Same thing with martyns:


Interestingly, Mistafreeze and blackened515 do not share this style. And for the accounts named above, only sometimes do they post in this style. Either the account farm is being operated by two people or they write posts from both a computer and phone.

Apart from what AHOYBRAUSE has said just to say that I have looked at the spreadsheet and yes he is on it, in row 17. As I have seen that several of you said contradictory things on the subject, although AHOYBRAUSE's seemed the most reliable, I went to check it.

Actually you guys are not up to date.
Obari has been accepted at sinbad campaign 3 days ago.



Actually I mentioned this case talking to Royse but he said he gives him the benefit of the doubt, which is fair.
Still if this case gets even more proof this benefit might change in the future maybe.

After his sob story it seems obari is back posting like a champ in the last few days. 

He is going to be kicked out with the new changes in the campaign. Today/tomorrow will probably be his last pay day for Yomix. Obari/Sanakwa/hashrateproducts has enough cash flow. He had it even before the beginning of this circus because he had several alt accounts participating in different signature campaigns but look what greed has brought him.

He tried to make up a silly excuse to avoid paying the loan. Who does that?

Had he paid back the loan in good faith, he wouldn't be under scrutiny today.

Let's assume, whatever you are saying is true. But how true is your statement? On 25th August, you said that you know 'Sakanwa' from your childhood, and you were using his phone most of the time. But on the 30th August, you said that 'Sakanwa' is avoiding you even though you tried your best to contact him. What kind of childhood friendship is it? You were using his phone most of the time to make posts on Bitcointalk forum one week ago, now he is avoiding you as the alt accounts are exposed!

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How do you know 'hashrateproducts'? Is he also your childhood friend? You had directly received Bitcoin from his address on 19th July. It looks like 'hashrateproducts' account doesn't belong to the original owner: hashrateproducts is a bought or hacked account.

There will be a new pay rate on YoMix campaign from tomorrow, and Obari's name isn't in the new spreadsheet. He wasn't accepted for the updated payroll.

I think Obari is breathing a sigh of relief after this. 

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt too, at least for the time being on both accounts, keeping an eye on them if they pay back the loans they ask for.

Sakanwa participates in a signature campaign with Hhampuz and I would say that from past experience, he does not, at least automatically, kick participants out of the campaigns he runs for a couple of red tags. There was one exception with Whirlwind.money where he did kick one out but I think that was because of the higher requirements of the campaign.

Obari is happy because he has recently been accepted into the Yo!Mix campaign, so they both have cash flow to pay back the typical small loans that are given out on the forum.

The posting styles of the two posters are extraordinarily similar. It seems like they both type their posts from a phone, without much regard for punctuation or formatting:



Also this was kind of interesting:


I think the Sakanwa account is certainly taggable based on this:


However, I'm hesitant to tag the Obari account without more sufficient on-forum evidence. If Sakanwa doesn't repay the rest of the loan in a timely manner (or the lender declares they have defaulted) then they should definitely be tagged for that. I feel like this person has already lost enough accounts recently and hopefully already learned their lesson.

Why do you talk about yourself in the third person? Did you forget again that you are logged in with Obari's account? For me you have so many alts that you can't make yourself clear. Something like the one who has multiple personalities but in the forum. From time to time they mess up.


In this forum there is no problem with you having alts, the problems come if you break the rules with them.

Ah, that makes sence.

I was just having a look at their word usage - the first example comes up with multiple usages:

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=sakanwa&content=I%20really%20don%27t%20know - 39 posts of 425 total posts
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=Obari&content=I%20really%20don%27t%20know - 131 posts of 1402 total posts

It's early days as I've only just started looking at their post usage (I'm looking for other images they've both posted of their hands ^{(think the Pumpkin farce)} and tiled floor)

That's the "preview" of my report I wanted to make.
But then I saw Shasan already made one so I only made the screen and never published it.

Thats why I wrote: "I just wanted to publish this when I saw your thread."

This isn't a post in the Known Alts thread:


@AHOYBRAUSE - where does your screen grab come from?

I have to speak up now because I've done my best to contact sakanwa and I strongly believe that he's avoiding  me and I've tried several to get him to clear the air and get me out of this mess but to no avail.

Firstly obari is no alt of any account what so ever and yes I can receive  bitcoin from anybody because I'm a vendor and  if you can also check the list of transactions from my previous  address which I used for previous campaigns
3GH9bsdENsvBUADoXdM8ocSmLtk4URXs1S
You'll see that I've helped traded several times for people.

I've been very active on the forum and I wonder how possible it is for me still trying to rank up to get an alt very active as sakanwa because I still need the merits to be able to rank up hence I don't have an alt.

I will never lie about my health, and my health issue have been made obvious on the forum on several occasions and I also went for an xray early this month and here is a picture of my x-ray.



I've been using sakanwa's device because my phone is faulty and my brother who just got a job offshore  went for a 2 months training and induction with my laptop, as for the desktop, we don't have light and desktops can't work without a direct power supply and below is also a picture of my phone as well as a chat from friend when I was trying to seek a loan to assist my brother get some money to go for his screening and training for the job



I'm in a signature campaign which is a very healthy one except for the recent changes made on yomix and I earn $60 which goes for mostly my health and feeding and anyone from country will understand  that living on a budget of $60 weekly which isn't easy especially  when you have family who look up to you and that's why I've always been a frequent member of the lending board which I've never defaulted any loan.

I swear with my life that I have no connections with any alt account and Obari  is an entirely different person and I've worked earnestly and given all my best to grow my account.

The blunder of responding with obari wasn't made my obari but rather by sakanwa because my account was logged in his device and maybe he forgot to check before making a post with it.

And as for the mixin safe review,  I had to use the desktop after buying fuel of about 10 liters at the rate of #712 per litre because i already received the payment for it and it wouldn't be possible running on a generator that consumes fuel so bad every week to meet up works on the forum.

I've always been a good forum member who apologies for every mistakes I make and I have to openly say I'm sorry for everyone who has been dragged into this mess and yet sakanwa is still not ready to atleast  speak to me not to even talk more of addressing  the public here.

I've sincerely presented myself to the house and whatever decision taken is fine but growing an alt has never crossed my mind not even for a second because I'm still trying to create a reputation on the forum.

Giving them (him) time to come out and explain, plus completing the whole childhood friends story, like Lordhermes tried in the other thread. I don't want to delete the tags later after rushing to paint them so quickly because I didn't wait to hear the entire story.

There is also another reason. Please check PM.

So any reason not to red tag Obari and Sakanwa?

Those accounts are why all started this second time (the first time was for martyns) and thanks to nutildah and FatFork analysis we got blockchain connections linking them. I think some DTs should red tag them, but I'm in a period of self-control of my tagging aggressiveness, so to speak, and I'd rather make sure I'm not missing anything before I am the first painting their profiles in red.

Based on evidence collected here, the following are also alt accounts of the same person:

Cryptohermes05
omgitsmehehe
Blackvirus Banned

They probably have even more but the fact that they were operating a lot of these accounts simultaneously is pretty astounding... They were dedicated to their craft of multi-accounting but got too greedy in the end and made one too many slip-ups.

Man, you are putting some work in, nice.
Yeah it's fair to say that the case is pretty much solid and not only does he have those alt accounts (that are also cheating in bounty campaigns) , he was also lying trying to "explain" the situation, which almost nobody believed in the first place.

If he would have been honest and admit what he has done, also paid back the loan instantly this wouldn't have escalated, no harm no foul. But coming with this silly story only made it worse and opens the door for guys like you looking into him a little deeper.

The only people coming to his defense are accounts that are also in the same local board. I guess it's only a matter of time he catches some more tags for this situation, I wonder why it didn't happen yet. This thread was quite silent the last 2 days, I bet he was hoping people would just move on from this. 

So far from what I can gather

1. Obari is an alt of Sakanwa as proved by the transaction history by both accounts using one exchange Bitcoin address at one point
2. Again Obari forgets to log in as Sakanwa and makes a post in a loan thread where "Obari" never took any loan but Sakanwa had an outstanding loan there.

So Obari = Sakanwa

3. Sakanwa and hashrateproducts post in one campaign thread using the same bitcoin address that sakanwa has always used.
There is also proof that  hashrateproducts is a hacked/stolen account

So Obari = Sakanwa = hashrateproducts (the person who stole or bought that account)

Furthermore, hashrateproducts is linked to a group of bounty cheating accounts, some of which are even already banned

Mistafreeze Banned
blackened515
BlackViruse Banned
martyns
Blackpussy Banned
9jaspyware Banned
lesor Banned
Kumasi
Lordhermes

I just want to make a clear list of the linked accounts before I start tagging

There is no issue about the previous loan for me and it is not for the asking loan on my thread. This thread is about the alt account or not.
It is a silly excuse that can be said by anyone and I don't think it can be proved that the account is his/her friend. Alt account is very dangerous for trading/lending.
You are right as the owner of the money/dollar is the lender.

The situation has already taken a different direction in this case as we have found more possible connection with other accounts. You should check this post of mine, this post of nutildah and this post of JeromeTash. Obari has received Bitcoin from 'Sakanwa' and 'hashrateproducts' Bitcoin address. Should we consider that Obari is buying Bitcoin from other people while he can't afford to buy a new phone or fix his damaged phone?

Moreover, Obari has used desktop 3 weeks ago when he posted his review for Mixin Safe. Obari had also claimed that he has both desktop and laptop. I'm wondering why he wants to rely on other people phone while he has better device (desktop and laptop) of his own.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58032025

I won't take sides, but I'll show another example where users use the same device to participate in a forum. Perhaps for those who have several devices at home, and also have the means to buy a new phone before solving their problems, it is difficult to understand that there may be other cases among us. I do not know if this is true or false, but let everything remain on the conscience of these people.
The only thing that can be said is that the best solution would be to refuse any loans from this forum and solve your problems yourself. Learn not to live in debt, it's better not to eat up for a week than to walk and hide your eyes and feel like nothing.
As for the lies of these two accounts, they have certainly lost their credibility, and are getting a tilde.