Topic: Altcoin blockchain experts - can anyone explain this semi-missing transaction? (Read 2317 times)

feel free to go back and read everything and find where i discussed it earlier.
you must have missed it when you were looking for bite size quotes to misrepresent and lie about.

In other words, there are no facts to back up what you say.  As usual.

feel free to go back and read everything and find where i discussed it earlier.
you must have missed it when you were looking for bite size quotes to misrepresent.

Where have I threatened you?

i made a mistake which was rectified because of your post.

i was under the assumption that was your motivation.
it was very helpful. and as is usual when somebody assists you, i thanked you.

even though you're akin to a terrorist and i cannot let you win, i have no problems with being polite

Fixed what?  The fact that you started posting the same things on two threads at the same time, and then pretended that I'm the one who did it?

well spotted. fixed now, i hope lol
thanks for that

looks like we have two competing threads with the same posts.. woot
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13833797

here's my reply to the above from the other thread ..



lol. great defense.
he made me do it!! he was on MY thread!!
i'm innocent!!


and there you go again impugning again my good person. shame on you.
my posts were neither troll nor showed evidence that i could not read. such a false dichotomy.






there's a great quote somewhere saying how ACP was trading at 60 sats.
until you pumped it.
then swapped it.








yes, i told you earlier that we were creating artificial demand by doing that.
that is not the problem with what you are doing.








we never claimed to have a trustless system, as you have.


yes, if you dump, people can see where the coins come from.
you do not have a trustless system










top 25 addresses, vs your 3 addresses ??
i have no idea what the rest of your richlists looks like

looks like i own #6 and #8 , about 13% lol bodgey maths/  6.5%
plus i have maybe 5% on exchange <--not sure about that figure.




Let's see how a pro answers:









you don't have trustless accountability.

you have an open ledger, so does bumbacoin, we just don't have arbitrary data.
we never bothered cos we lack any delusions of grandeur,
although it would be nice, but can't honestly see the need.

at the moment we have multiple addresses because thats' how it's happened,
change addresses have been a big reason for it,
the swap happened over a year ago, would be surprising if we'd never moved any coins.

lets put all the coins in address A.
let's send some coins for purpose X.
now the remaining funds, ie the change from this transaction, has gone to address B. etc,

so, let's put all the funds in addresses A B C, then we can leave most of the coins in their declared addresses when we move coins.
yes we could use coin control, but i  use daemons by preference which lack coin control features.
yes, i could craft transactions incoroporating specified change address as origin address, but, i havent. much easier just sending them...

and as you love to point out. all the tx are there on the blockchain for anyone to look at
so, in conclusion, we do have the same level of trustless accountability if anyone wants to dig through the chain. lol

Update!






When you show up to someone's ANN and say they shouldn't be doing certain things,
be ready for them to point out that you're doing the exact same things.

You're the one who accused yourself.






Why did you burn CLOT when it had an active dev?






Why are you asking us to burn a coin with an active dev?





Why are you burning a coin with active devs?





Your coin is an X11 clone.





Nothing you have done has made your coin a success either.





But you are selling things in a marketplace for Bumba, so why did you bring it up since you say it's no different from what you're doing yourself?

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/MarketPlace?categoryId=0¤cyId=211&locationId=0&sortBy=Title&searchTerm=&type=All%20Items





We're using a better system than you're using:



You could dump any amount of Bumba you wanted at any time, while our decentralized trustlessly transparent accountability deters us from doing that.






Your website has a link to your thread, and you haven't posted anything to it in over 2 months:

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/338?page=2






That was your criticism when I asked for transparency from Digital Credits.
You say I'm trolling a shitcoin.




So you're trolling a shitcoin?  Except you're following me around to several different threads.

Have you said anything about me that doesn't apply better to yourself?





...so that's a "no"?







And yet all of our undistributed funds are always available for anyone to see on the blockchain, in our easily-found address, while you're holding millions of premined Bumbacoins and you don't even mention the addresses in your ANN.





Kind of like how the top addresses hold 63% of Bumbacoins and you haven't said which addresses you control?

http://blockchain.bumbacoin.com/richlist





But I didn't launch those coins myself, and I wasn't their dev.

You burned a coin that you launched and were in full control of, and you selected everything about the burn process yourself.





That's a great description of your swap of CLOT for BUMBA.





Let's see how a pro answers:



Very informative!





And you set the swap ratio when you burned CLOT for BUMBA.





And there has never been any BARR dumped.  But what did you have to say about that?






And what else?







But now the only excuse for your burn process and leftover coins is "I'm honest!  I've never dumped the Bumbacoin premine! (yet)"

Unlike the Bumbacoin premine, the BARR Burn Fund has never moved a single coin from its single address without an attached message showing txids for burned altcoins.

Why do you have multiple premine addresses and multiple "dev fund" addresses for Bumbacoin?  Why can't you have trustless transparent accountability like BARR does?






Obviously mistaking being trustworthy for a trustless situation.



Just take this as the answer for your next hundred stupid questions:

lol. seeing as how you can't quite seem to see the problems raised here.
here's some questions.

1. which NXT accounts holding Barr/Offs do you or other team members own?

2. given you seem to own 61%, what do you consider as the real value of Barr?

3. do you have a plan to create a more economically palatable model of distribution? the current distribution does not inspire confidence in the real value of Barr.

4. what other coins on your proposed swap list do you or other team members baghold? if you're doing this for truly altruistic motives, your behaviour so far seems self centered.

5. what is your purpose in pumping the alts prior to swap? it seems that artificially pumping the market value of alts that you personally hold, does a lot to improve your personal future Barr holdings by improving the swap ratio.

6. do you still see that being the dev of Barr, choosing the coin swaps gives you no advantage? choosing all the coins, defining the swap protocols.

7. how do you measure your swap process and come to this conclusion of no profit? you seem to enjoy the fact that you're making shitcoins and Barr stronger through these swaps.

8. is Barr_official used by a different person? it seems confusing going through the history of postings and does not do much to add clarity to your threads/discussions.



i'm mirroring these questions here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13809116

If I own 61% of BARR, it's because I either paid other people for it, or I bought 61% of all the altcoins we burned (and paid people for those altcoins).

You have said that you don't spend your own money on your own coin, but you try to get other people to spend their money.

Who else should spend the most money on a coin, other than the coin's dev?

That shows that I believe in what I'm doing, while you don't believe that your own coin is worth buying.









BARR is just like any community coin swap, except we work with multiple communities.
Anyone who has read the BARR ANN and the ANNs for those other coins already knows all about it, we've never worked in secret.

I was already involved in 5 altcoin communities before we had the idea to swap them all for BARR.
I have burned all of my altcoins for BARR.
You can dig all you want, there's nothing for you to find. 






That's because I'm the only one who has spent BARR, that cost me real money, to participate in our public voting process which is open to everyone.





What does any of this have to do with how many FindCoins have been burned?

simple. you're banned from DGCS thread for the same thing you accuse me of.
the others are closed.


seeing as how you love talking about Proof of Burn,
maybe you can comment on how it seems you quite obviously own at least ~61% of distributed BARR through three different accounts,
how most of the list of coins burnt seem to correlate with websites you made/registered prior to the BARR ann?
how the voting address only shows votes from you, no-one else has voted for a coin.

.

Actually it's not just like that. 

intristin banned everyone, including himself, from the DGCS thread. 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pre-ann-pow-pos-pob-unlimited-supply-no-halving-slow-distribution-1231951

And the next DGCS thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/proof-of-burn-will-it-work-2-coins-in-1-month-which-will-survive-beyond-pob-1234046

And the next DGCS thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dgcs-digital-credits-1234336

And the next DGCS thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/digital-credits-seeks-suggestions-on-burn-targets-from-you-burn-details-here-1247145

And the next DGCS thread,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dgcs-digital-credits-powpospob-4-pools-c-cexyobitbtcpool-1249946




He didn't want people talking about Proof of Burn, so he closed his topics to solve the problem and stop discussion.
I do want to talk about Proof of Burn, and I solved the problem by banning only you and continuing the discussion. 

So you're wrong again, as you were wrong on the BARR ANN, the BowsCoin ANN, the FindCoin ANN, and the thread you started about me.
 
See the difference?  I talk about burning altcoins, and you just go around talking about me.

haha just like you're banned from the DGCS thread.
good job.

lol, intristin deleted his posts here at the same time that a sockpuppet deleted his posts too?

It's probably a coincidence.

bumbacoin, you forgot to mention that you're banned from the BARR ANN.  But I'm sure your comments are unbiased.

lol
such time spent on trolling a shit coin.

results seem to be

a) a fork results in transactions not showing up on a different fork.
ie two explorers can show different results.

good job on that one. we salute runpaint for his hard work in exposing this fact.

b) barr_official is obsessed with his enemy DGCS, and is not afraid of making shit up and attacking the honesty of others.

also good job. your troll level is mighty and you will be revered for generations by all shit coin swap devotees. not only did you manage to attack the integrity of intrinsin but also many others running the explorer and exchange.

c) there does seem to be a discrepancy between amount claimed and amount shown on explorer
"449,479 FIND coins have been burned"
vs
324789.4 shown at http://findcoin.dcredits.com/search.php?id=FVCryptoLifeDotNetBurnAddrXXcBdXmn
see below for more conclusions

and a further good job. it's just  a shame that you had to spend so much time and make up so much obvious falsities to get to one final seemingly legitimate point. (edit however the implications seem much milder than you continue to troll, i blame the fact that no-one seems to have spelt out the answer IN SIMPLE ENOUGH LANGUAGE (see below)).
although if you had done a simpler and clearer job you would have lost the troll level awarded in b),
but you might have actually received an answer. i guess it's up to you whether you'd prefer getting an answer, or prefer attacking peoples integrity mercilessly with little regard to facts.

lol A+ on everything. except for presentation, total #fail on presentation.


personally, if i was intrinsin i would totally ignore (or troll) barr_official, who has shown himself/herself to be a right annoying twat.
anyone who is unsure of Barr_official's personality, then please read his mounting hysteria and general rudeness/personal attacks on the find thread
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13720149

this awesome behaviour seems to have been going on since DGCS was released? and that post above is far from the beginning.
from my perspective it seems to stem from the fact that BARR is the best thing ever to hit the shitcoin market, and that DGCS is an impostor and must die.

disclosure : barr_official also seems to despise me (and is quite happy to make stuff up attacking my integrity) for suggesting that we use remaining distribution Bumba as a shitcoin swap for Barr. and i am quite happy to troll him as he has shown himself to be quite rude
i also suggested he disclose all his private dealings with Barr as he is using undisclosed personal funds which results in an opaque distribution of Barr to himself. it seems possible he owns the vast majority of distributed Barr but that is an unknown reality.



edit :
and bonus points for getting them to re-sync the explorer, another game changing moment. well done


edit edit :
in regards to c)
later consideration and conclusions ----
it seems that any figures as reported to the swap were from the exchange, as the Digital Credits dev doesnt handle the swap coins at all.

it should be obvious to anyone, that Intrinsin is only responsible for not updating his figures after the dust cleared from the blockchain chaos.
it's obvious then that the burn figures for Find are as reported on the blockchain.
 ie 324789.4 as to the distribution figures for DGCS, either they are the same as previously reported or different

the exchange is responsible for the swap funds, so it seems quite reasonable that the figure quoted is real, with the problems relating to FIND and the blockchain issues.
also it seems that no funds can be missing unless the exchange itself has done something, which seems quite unlikely

I would think the person posting incoherent nonsense would be the one that might need more help

I'm not holding any Clams, I sold at a good profit.

Cool story.  If it's childish to point out discrepancies in numbers, then I guess I'm childish.

But then if I hadn't, they wouldn't have re-synced their block explorer.  So I must be doing something right.