Topic: Altcoin4life - HACKED ACCOUNT - Collateral 4 Murderouskirk - Swingdev - ADVICE?? (Read 1848 times)

I've had the exact same situation. I already have a thread opened here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-form-of-loan-defaulting-suspicious-hacked-account-1256710
In my situation, the whole story was too plotted, so I decided to hold the account and tried to find a buyer for it.

I have made my own scam accusation thread. Please close this one and consolidate the multiple threads open on this topic.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13700602

If anyone wants to follow the full conversation on this topic here's all the links I can find:

In my Swing altcoin thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13580743

In lending: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/altcoin4life-hacked-account-collateral-4-murderouskirk-swingdev-advice-1341677
In Scam Accusations: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13683665
In Meta: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13683675

Hi Swingdev

Thanks for your reply

I will let you know as i am thinking how i should proceed.

Cheers
Altcoin4life

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hopefully he will keep it safe then. Enjoy my account Altcoin4life. I've put years into it should be a pretty interesting read. Or maybe really boring depends on what you're into.


^That's what it boils down to here. Nothing more nothing less.

Lol, I highly doubt Theymos gives you back your account, Theymos has more important things to do than resolve getting an account back to you because you didn't sign a message because it is partially your fault. It is not the highest on his priority list. Might as well say goodbye to that account and I am 99% sure you don't get it back. Just buy it back.  

Actually Theymos should hopefully return it in time. It's rightfully mine and has been stolen from me. I've sent him the proper proof to reclaim it.

The fact that it was sold to Altcoin4life as collateral for a scam loan does not change my rightful claim over it. Nor does the debt of his bad loan transfer from the scammer to me.

His position is unfortunate yes, I do truly feel bad for his loss as I've been scammed for a decent chunk of btc in the past as well. But I accepted that I was fooled, took blame, got smarter and moved on.

I will say I'm glad he's publicly claimed possession of it. That way my community knows where the dev account is and can hopefully trust in his rep / credibility to keep it safe.

If he does not help me recover my account then I have no reason to consider tipping him as my portfolio grows, or leaving him any sort of positive rep and review.

If he does return the account, I have already stated I will leave a positive review of his credibility and tip him for the favor if/when my portfolio grows.

At this point he's trying to place the blame for his mistake on me. Demanding I send him bitcoin before returning the account, then more after is an unprofessional request. It's his only chance at getting a return on his investment and I was concerned it would boil down to this.

If he wants to help he can help. If not we all know where the account is and I'll cross my fingers that Theymos recovers it for me. But trying to sell my stolen account to me isn't going to happen, and frankly just doesn't sit right with me.

Well... having solved the issue of signing a message brings both of you back to the original issue.

Altcoin4Life obtained the Murderouskirk account in good faith, as a collateral for a loan. They do not deserve to take the loss. Swingdev lost the account due to a hack. They do not deserve to take the loss either.

No admin is going to resolve this for you two. The only way out is by the two of you sticking your heads together and working it out. If you can't then things will remain as they are now.

No worries. You guys were right and I appreciate the explaining. I was wrong for being under the impression that both Theymos and Altcoin4life wanted blank digital signatures. You can understand why I saw this as a ridiculous security risk and simply refused from that perspective.

Altcoin4life has decided to try to sell me my account back. I'm going to try my luck with Theymos for a while.

it has been quoted and it clearly states: with using my signed message

I also am sorry for being rude at first.But this was what i was asking for.

Side note. You should probably remove the 10btc bounty you put out there for anyone that can hack your account.. No need to make yourself a target to prove a successfully proven point.

Just my 2 cents.

ill take this as your word

While I agree with you, I also place some of the blame on Bitcointalk.org. Regardless of how secure of a password I put on my account, if I get phished or keylogged that's it my account is gone. Without 2fa accounts simply are not secure.

I've added 2fa to all my email accounts following this event. Hopefully that will help, it seems like this is the only way to somewhat get 2fa on my account.

And I do intend to pass some BTC towards Altcoin4life for the recovery should my portfolio ever grow again. His loss prevented my entire community from malicious attacks via impersonation and evil edits. It's also potentially led to the recovery of my account. Currently I have less than 0.1 liquid btc to trade with sadly. For now the best I can do is give him favorable feedback.

just as a hint: i think altcoin4life will return the account to you, because its the rigth thing. but keep in mind: its costs him 0.13BTC because you didnt secure your account. however its was hacked, part of it was you fault. i think you both should discuss this in private afterwards.

i know exactly how it feels, because the same thing happend to me when i started to loaning/escrowing

verified with electrum!

I'll just go ahead and post now that I understand it's secure with an attached message.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I am the real owner of the account MurderousKirk. Today is 1/26/16 8:00PM EST. I misunderstood the signature process and am now posting this to secure my account from Altcoin4life.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1E6soVzn7Z5NGguwD9sZfXkVmn8a51Cg71
H1mNchP2wcPFHiIdMigU/j2kX9Jlm6d+jXSEOLoc2XyxKU8d2IpSkkPaSyf2acDb6b0f4bOCR7p+CjoHq+VWm50=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Location of addy: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12788990

Please read a couple posts up.

Also I never made a scam accusation thread. I just messaged theymos and the guy that actually has access to my account. The thought never crossed my mind, especially since Altcoin4life asked me to keep the conversation private.


Dude it's all good. I was getting very frustrated as well. Thank you for continuing to try. Misunderstandings happen.

Edit* Adding this final quote so Altcoin4life sees it page 2.

sorry i sounded mad, i didnt notice you thougth you should send the same messag to altcoin4life. i was about to bite into my desk