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Topic: Altcoins and Scamcoins - Know the difference. - page 3. (Read 6418 times)

sr. member
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This is good, this is bad...
That’s just like, your opinion, man. You are trying to enforce all altcoins to be copies of bitcoin. Different hash/encryption algorithm is no innovation, if the base software was any good that could be achieved by changing a single line of code. "Bad" list is mostly just your bad feelings.
Edit : Good point, i looked back and removed the 'inflationary / infinite reward' from OP.  While i'm sure that the community strongly distlikes these things, and a coin with them will probably fail because of it, it's not as bad as the other things, which i think everyone can agree on should not be in a legit altcoin.

But if you're talking about the list in the 2nd post -- i don't say anything there is good or bad.
hero member
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GCVMMWH
I'm looking to redesign the box completely with ScienceCoin, so if anyone is willing to help - let me know.
newbie
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This is good, this is bad...
That’s just like, your opinion, man. You are trying to enforce all altcoins to be copies of bitcoin. Different hash/encryption algorithm is no innovation, if the base software was any good that could be achieved by changing a single line of code. "Bad" list is mostly just your bad feelings.
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CoinTropolis
I'm a projects guy, so I might see this from a different perspective.  If people took  40 percent of the energy spent discussing the same nonsense on this forum and applied it to the coin they actually supported, I wonder what the value would look like over 90 days.

Just a thought...
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How do you not add Freicoin into this >.>
this is very much a work in progress.  i'm adding it next

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edit: does anyone have a link to an official bitcointalk on freicoin?  I haven't found one thus, just one on the crowdfunding and some other pre-release work.

Not sure if they have one, just link to their homepage/coin fourm
sr. member
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How do you not add Freicoin into this >.>
this is very much a work in progress.  i'm adding it next

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edit: does anyone have a link to an official bitcointalk on freicoin?  I haven't found one thus, just one on the crowdfunding and some other pre-release work.
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Coins which have actually tried something fundamentally new and novel, for better or worse.  In order of their introduction.


Coins which use a novel POW:

Bitcoin -- 1/3/09 -- SHA256 originator
Tenebrix -- 9/26/11 -- Scrypt originator. Was premined and thus died off.  Don't premine.
Litecoin -- 10/9/11 -- Scrypt  Gold standard for scrypt coins as Tenebrix was premined
PPCoin -- 8/19/12 Hybrid proof-of-work/proof-of-stake

Distributed p2p domain system:

Namecoin

Coin redistribution to open source projects and developers

Devcoin -- 8/5/11 -- Redistributes 90% of block rewards to open source projects chosen by the developers of Devcoin(?)

Coins which have used ascending rewards to mitigate premining/early mining of the network:

Nibble -- 5/18/13
Digicoin -- 5/18/13

Bad Coins that were premined, but otherwise worthy of note
GeistGeld, Lolcust premined 7.7M(?)
Tenebrix, Lolcust premined 7.7M(?)


Multiple coins launched with a feature nearly concurrently are listed with their approximate dates

How do you not add Freicoin into this >.>
newbie
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You may want to add something about bounties. I personally do not like them due to the somewhat necessary condition of pre-mining but you can decide for yourself.
Which bounties though?  I am not as familar with them

I mean, anyone can put a bounty down for any purpose.

I think if the developer puts a bounty for an exchange this is bad

bounty for services which use the coin.. maybe also bad

bounty for pools or block explorers or things like that.. maybe not as bad

In my opinion, any altcoin launch now needs to use a low reward for the initial day or two of mining to prevent absurd # of coins and to combat the massive sudden influx onto the mining network that all coins get.

this means that sure, the developer could put a bounty up, but the only way he would have a bunch of coins is if he legitimately had some 10,20,50 MH/sec running on the network for a day.  And that is going to be worth coins and $ no matter what network you have it on.

This is what i put at the moment

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* Low reward at start to offset 'premining' and early hash power consolidation which leads to orphan-mania.  Based on how much hash power gets thrown at basically any coin when it launches, you probably cannot combat the orphan rate, but you can minimize the absurdity of how many coins  they can farm.  Also reduces problem of mining large numbers of coins early to bribe people with bounties unfairly.  Bounties should require honest work and hashrates to achieve, just like on a mature network like current BTC/LTC

Sounds good to me. I feel the best way to have a bounty is to have a large donation driven bounty. That way the community as whole can set the bounties that it wants. Of course there will be freeloaders but if you want your coin that you are mining to succeed you may need to invest in it. Pools and block explorers can fall under this.
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YAC's POW innovations:

  • SHA3 (Keccak512) instead of SHA256
  • Chacha instead of Salsa in scrypt
  • scrypt(N,1,1) instead of scrypt(1024,1,1)
Interesting, i will add it as novel

However I think that scrypt() idea is fundamentally bad.  It sounds like it will be another litecoin scrypt() cgminer gpu catastrophe.

I would not be surprised if people, maybe even many people independently, have forked and created their own cgminer in secret which is capable of utilizing GPUs, giving them several order of magnitude advantage over everyone else.

or am i wrong?  even the devs seem to say it is possible.  simply saying "well the code doesn't work right now" is not going to prevent someone from doing it.  and it's much, much faster.  if the coin has/had any worth it will be done
sr. member
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You may want to add something about bounties. I personally do not like them due to the somewhat necessary condition of pre-mining but you can decide for yourself.
Which bounties though?  I am not as familar with them

I mean, anyone can put a bounty down for any purpose.

I think if the developer puts a bounty for an exchange this is bad

bounty for services which use the coin.. maybe also bad

bounty for pools or block explorers or things like that.. maybe not as bad

In my opinion, any altcoin launch now needs to use a low reward for the initial day or two of mining to prevent absurd # of coins and to combat the massive sudden influx onto the mining network that all coins get.

this means that sure, the developer could put a bounty up, but the only way he would have a bunch of coins is if he legitimately had some 10,20,50 MH/sec running on the network for a day.  And that is going to be worth coins and $ no matter what network you have it on.

This is what i put at the moment

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* Low reward at start to offset 'premining' and early hash power consolidation which leads to orphan-mania.  Based on how much hash power gets thrown at basically any coin when it launches, you probably cannot combat the orphan rate, but you can minimize the absurdity of how many coins  they can farm.  Also reduces problem of mining large numbers of coins early to bribe people with bounties unfairly.  Bounties should require honest work and hashrates to achieve, just like on a mature network like current BTC/LTC
newbie
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You may want to add something about bounties. I personally do not like them due to the somewhat necessary condition of pre-mining but you can decide for yourself.
sr. member
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The cryptocoin watcher
YAC's POW innovations:

  • SHA3 (Keccak512) instead of SHA256
  • Chacha instead of Salsa in scrypt
  • scrypt(N,1,1) instead of scrypt(1024,1,1)
legendary
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Alt-topics and scam-topics, know the difference.

Why don't you apply your own logic to Litecoin I wonder...
sr. member
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Coins which have actually tried something fundamentally new, for better or worse.  In order of their introduction.


Coins which use a novel POW:

Bitcoin - SHA256 originator
Litecoin - Scrypt originator
PPCoin - Proof of Stake

Distributed p2p domain system:

Namecoin

Coins which have used ascending rewards to mitigate premining/early mining of the network:

Nibble
Digicoin


Devcoin & Freicoin both tried something fundamentally new. Those two should be in your list, while Litecoin shouldn't be there.

I do not agree. Devcoins and Freicoins are novel but i feel they were going the wrong way. With Devcoins you were pretty much mining for 10% profitability. I would say that Devs deserve some payment for their work but 90%? With Freicoins I feel that the economic philosophy is quite worthless (as the coin) when you need buy something to keep its value. In the beginning there would be virtually nothing to buy and there is no easy way to save money.

For the list in the second post, I want to only list coins either with a novel invention, or a coin which used that novel invention and is the popular version of it (like litecoin and scrypt, because TBX was premined for 7.7M coins by Lolcust

Feel free to discuss/debate if the novel invention is actually a good,great,bad,awful idea, but i'd like to organize them at least
newbie
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Coins which have actually tried something fundamentally new, for better or worse.  In order of their introduction.


Coins which use a novel POW:

Bitcoin - SHA256 originator
Litecoin - Scrypt originator
PPCoin - Proof of Stake

Distributed p2p domain system:

Namecoin

Coins which have used ascending rewards to mitigate premining/early mining of the network:

Nibble
Digicoin


Devcoin & Freicoin both tried something fundamentally new. Those two should be in your list, while Litecoin shouldn't be there.

I do not agree. Devcoins and Freicoins are novel but i feel they were going the wrong way. With Devcoins you were pretty much mining for 10% profitability. I would say that Devs deserve some payment for their work but 90%? With Freicoins I feel that the economic philosophy is quite worthless (as the coin) when you need buy something to keep its value. In the beginning there would be virtually nothing to buy and there is no easy way to save money.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Really?  I wonder why TBX has died off and LTC has taken its place.  Perhaps the faster block time motivated people to use it (not that it is actually inherently better, but people like it.)


Wasn't TBX premined?
OP of litecoin thread indicates that.

I will also add a list of premined coins
legendary
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Really?  I wonder why TBX has died off and LTC has taken its place.  Perhaps the faster block time motivated people to use it (not that it is actually inherently better, but people like it.)


Wasn't TBX premined?
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Coins which have actually tried something fundamentally new, for better or worse.  In order of their introduction.


Coins which use a novel POW:

Bitcoin - SHA256 originator
Litecoin - Scrypt originator
PPCoin - Proof of Stake

Distributed p2p domain system:

Namecoin

Coins which have used ascending rewards to mitigate premining/early mining of the network:

Nibble
Digicoin


Devcoin & Freicoin both tried something fundamentally new. Those two should be in your list, while Litecoin shouldn't be there.
Devcoin redistributes 90% of block rewards to open source developers which are earmarked by the devcoin developers themselves, right?

Freicoin.. what do they do again, take coins from people with them and redistribute?

I added tenebrix and a disclaimer to litecoin.  also dates & thread links, but i used the OP of their threads, genesis block would be more accurate.  if anyone has those i will add.
legendary
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Coins which have actually tried something fundamentally new, for better or worse.  In order of their introduction.


Coins which use a novel POW:

Bitcoin - SHA256 originator
Litecoin - Scrypt originator
PPCoin - Proof of Stake

Distributed p2p domain system:

Namecoin

Coins which have used ascending rewards to mitigate premining/early mining of the network:

Nibble
Digicoin


Devcoin & Freicoin both tried something fundamentally new. Those two should be in your list, while Litecoin shouldn't be there.
sr. member
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Litecoin - Scrypt originator
TBX is scrypt originator, LTC is just a copy.
Really?  I wonder why TBX has died off and LTC has taken its place.  Perhaps the faster block time motivated people to use it (not that it is actually inherently better, but people like it.)
Litecoin - Scrypt originator

False.

Tenebrix is the Scrypt originator. See thread here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announce-tenebrix-a-cpu-friendly-gpu-hostile-cryptocurrency-45667 (ArtForz is apparently the programmer behind it)


ArtForz.. did he have something to do with cgminer getting --scrypt?  the name sounds familar

i'll edit my post to add TBX and a disclaimer to LTC
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