Topic: Alternative solution for ranking up instead of merits (Read 284 times)

What theymos had in mind was that merit should be an award for the constructive and informative posts out there and not the flood of shitposts; to give a sort of "recognition" to those people who make posts worth reading and not padded posts.

While this attempt was a good one, it was too late for such a radical step because the spam is still continuing as we enter the 4+ months after introduction of merit and shitposting is still continuing.

You seem to be a bit off from the Meta section. A few weeks back this section used to be having 1-2 new threads everyday about asking about merit or passive begging for merit. So we can gladly say that people are not happy with it.

No, you obviously are not a noob.


You are spot on. The OP is an older member here. They should be posting from their older account instead. But on fishing for merit, I don't see how that would've been an offense if OP had posted that from their older account. Nothing stopping them from earning merit if the post were merit worthy.

Actually, the OP has a point, maybe it should be useful to stop counting in the spam boards, along with the merit system, of course. But by cutting the count on those boards, we will have as result "forever newbies", instead of "forever juniors".

To OP, the spam problem is not related to the altcoin section only. Just take a look at other sections, and observe how many people just go into a topic, maybe by reading the title and never the content or quotes in it; select a random one-lined phrase, as "Bitcoin will go to the moon, sir", or "Thanks, very informative" and that's all. Even if the topic is about sandwiches, they will say "Bitcoin to the moon", for they don't even care in reading the thread, of course, the quotes are a mystery to them, all those words to read!! Uf!!! Must be exhausting!!!
So the real problem is about the attitude towards the forum, in short. Of course, these people shouldn't rank-up, no matter how many times they tip "Interesting, sir, thanks", or "Bitcoin to the moon", no matter, they should never become legendary by doing so, and it has been achieved by the merit system.

Man, you are in a really competitive place. No matter if the internal function is used in other forums, in here, there are more than 2 million users, thousands new per day with the only goal of earning some bucks from here. They are drying the cow by spamming all over, for they don't really have a true interest in the forum, but on what a friend-of-a-friend told them: earn money by doing literally nothing. For those unable to even read the thread, to enroll the discussion, must not be any chance of ranking-up- For it would be truly unfair for the ones putting their grain by effort and hard work.

Nevertheless, Even when I can see the point on the first suggestion (stopping counting activity on the spam-fest boards), probably the result will be other boards becoming spam-fests. The issue is the lack of interest on the forum, that's all.

I don't believe that the merit system has successfully elliminates spamming but it suceeded in preventing spamming accounts to rank up. Its just crazy that you will see a hero member whose posts are all about reports on bounty campaigns.

It has been 5 months since the merit system released, and until now, most of members accept and happy with it.
You idea have no way to deploy.

What you said is actually worked well and people here extremely tried to make their quality post to get placed in campaigns and to improve their knowledge too nowadays. I really understood that this newbie's problems but what to do. To fight with spamming we need such kind of implementation and theymos done it bro.
Being junior member you seems having good knowledge about reason for merit implementation.

Merit used and created by theymos as an alternative solution to fight spam, just ignore all that requirement to be rank up and keep contributing to the forum and you are good to go.

There is a system of merit, or there is no merit system. All this is not important. Only the goal that a person wants to achieve is important. If you set a goal: raise the rank, this can be achieved, of course, with some effort. Enjoy communication.

Ok. I listened to the opinions of all of yours. I accept the merit system. I just mentioned an option of simple machines forum. If all the members here have accepted the current merit system then there is no point of talking about it just only by me. Sorry for the post.

But I don't like the people who always says " yes, that's correct, ok sir, you are right, understood " kind of people. I have joined lots of forums and groups and I have seen hundreds of that kind of people. I have a simple word for them. But I will not post that word here. Just let you to think it.

Also I don't like the people who tries to attack others by aiming to get the attention of the senior members.

That's it. Thanks for you all.

I have also observed that the forum is not that much strict while opposing the staff or current rules. Most of the other forums issue temporary bans for such activities.

Coming back to your question OP, you are asking for ranks based on the number of posts. Then what is the use  of merits ? It has already been implemented, is running for months and members have also accepted it. Move on.

I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting here. You want to just give merit out automatically for posts that are not in the bounty section? The entire issue with the ranking system here prior to the merit system was that all you needed to do was to log in once a fortnight to make a single post and you could collect the same activity as anyone else. You could do this on hundreds of accounts and people were doing exactly this. If we just dish out merit merely for posts then it's practically the same as it was before. Yes, merit isn't easy to get but it shouldn't be. Make quality posts over time and you should get the merit eventually.

I wouldn't call spamming "working".

If I get your suggestion correctly, you mean ranking up based on number of posts. So basically, you want ranking up based on activity only just as it was before the merit system. I do not think that is ever going to happen. Admin did ask for suggestions to control the spam on the forum and then introduced this merit system here. So, you want all those suggestions and his hard work to go in vain now.

In my opinion, it has encouraged new members to post good content. But we need more restrictions for guys spamming this forum as they are still doing the same.

Nobody will get banned for that. People only get banned for breaking the rules. Bitcoin is a libertarian movement and freedom of speech is a fundamental part of that.

The problem is not only within the Bounty section of the Forum. Bounty hunters report there, but tend to spam gibberish posts outside of that section, precisely because they are required to do so by the campaign quotas, thus flooding other forum sections on a permanent basis.  That is the principal problem. Not counting activity within the Bounty section does therefore nothing to improve the situation.

No, you will not be banned for writing a post that has wrong fundamentals. Controversy is allowed and is part of the richness of the system, although changing the ranking system is often approached without in-depth knowledge of the reasons for its existence.

That's a good point. I respect you. No negative trust. A long long time ago registered member and really a hero here.

I just told my idea. I think in this life I will not able to see a forum without merit system. But I spoke here for all other members. I know they will not tell anything here. Because who likes to get banned by making replies to this thread.  

There is no point in a ranking system that just counts posts over a time period. Merit was introduced so that only those that make a valuable contribution to the forum will rank up in future. My only regret is that it wasn't introduced long ago.

Do you think you can measure the knowledge of a person by looking at his rank here  . The rank here is just a rank. I think most of newbie here have knowledge more than some of hero here. But only problem is they are just newbies and people like you don't like to listen to them. Sorry. No offence.

Even Satoshi Nakamoto will be a newbie if he creates an account today. Then don't you listen to him as his rank is just newbie ?.

An opinion is an opinion whether it is coming from a Newbie or a Legendary. We should not discriminate members according to their rank and treat differently. I see that you have -32 trust. How would you feel somebody talk about you the same?

If people don't stop posting total garbage for money, that is what going to happen, bounties and signatures will become illegal and banned from this forum.


And you think that we should care about a newbie's opinion because they want people to go up in rank just to get more money out of garbage posting?