Alvarez vs. Golovkin: The Trilogy we've all been waiting for!

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@Darker45 - Yes, that's one possibility to according to this article:

https://www.givemesport.com/1556376-canelo-alvarez-vs-billy-joe-saunders-fight-could-be-held-in-the-uk-in-may-2021

Another probable reason is that the boxing fans are certainly more excited for this rematch than the two boxers' more immediate fights. Finally, the purse points to this match as the biggest priority.

Yeah, who wouldn't refused it? probably this fight could give the fighters another huge pay-day for both fighters. I'm not that interested on their immediate fights, those interim bouts are not going to generate them good money, and high risk low reward. We will just have to wait a little longer though, because of the current covid-19 situation. But I do hope that the fight will happen as schedule on September of this year. Gonna be one explosive fight for sure.

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Quote from: DarkDays on March 23, 2020, 04:54:17 PM

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IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Both fights could have went either way, they were extremely close to be honest.

However, if you look back at the interviews surrounding the second fight (after the first draw), both fighters said they got robbed by getting a draw.

Both fighters also promised a knockout in the second fight in order to take the decision away from the judges, but we all know the second fight ended with a decision.

Third fight will probably go exactly the same way, both fighters will promise a KO, GGG will lose by a narrow decision once again.

During both the fights, I was closely following the scores predicted by various media channels such as CNN and MSNBC. All of the major channels had GGG leading comfortably. But when the official scores from the judges came, it went in favor of Alvarez. I have seen this manytimes and I would say that what happened to GGG has happened to many talented boxers before. A few that comes to my mind right now are Jessie Vargas vs Khabib Allakhverdiev, Timothy Bradley vs Manny Pacquiao and Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield.

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Quote from: DarkDays on March 23, 2020, 04:54:17 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:15:52 AM

IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Both fights could have went either way, they were extremely close to be honest.

However, if you look back at the interviews surrounding the second fight (after the first draw), both fighters said they got robbed by getting a draw.

Both fighters also promised a knockout in the second fight in order to take the decision away from the judges, but we all know the second fight ended with a decision.

Third fight will probably go exactly the same way, both fighters will promise a KO, GGG will lose by a narrow decision once again.

The fights were close, I saw GGG winning the first fight by the smallest margin but to me the draw was fine as it was only needed to score one round differently to come up with the draw, however during the second fight the victory of GGG was more clear in my opinion and the fight should have being awarded to him but we know that is not what happened, so I do not see too much of a point for a third fight when we more or less know the result ahead of time and unless GGG wins by KO the decision will go to Canelo.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:15:52 AM

IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Both fights could have went either way, they were extremely close to be honest.

However, if you look back at the interviews surrounding the second fight (after the first draw), both fighters said they got robbed by getting a draw.

Both fighters also promised a knockout in the second fight in order to take the decision away from the judges, but we all know the second fight ended with a decision.

Third fight will probably go exactly the same way, both fighters will promise a KO, GGG will lose by a narrow decision once again.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:15:52 AM

IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Exactly, a knockout is the only way for Golokvin to win this upcoming fight. Judges seems afraid of Golden Boy Promotion's top honcho Oscar Dela Hoya Grin

. IMHO, he can offset the age factor by training very very hard just like what Manny Pacquiao did. GGG maybe not be on his prime anymore but this guy have Canelo's number and hope he can land that lucky punch that will put Canelo to sleep.

Manny and GGG are not in the same weight class. But GGG can take a lot of inspiration from the Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman fight. In the beginning, the betting odds were heavily favoring Thurman, but then they changed slightly after huge number of Filipinos made their bets in favor of Manny. But very few really thought that the 40-year old Manny would be able to beat a young boxer such as Thurman.

Speaking of inspiration, GGG could also take a lot from Juan Manuel Marquez. Remember that fight, he knock out Manny in their last fight and if my memory serves me right, i think Marquez was 40 years old at that time even older than GGG.

Knocking out Canelo is a hill climb as this guy don't have a Amir Khan's chin Grin

but anything can happen positively for GGG if he train hard for this fight and threat this one as if this would be his last.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:15:52 AM

IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Exactly, a knockout is the only way for Golokvin to win this upcoming fight. Judges seems afraid of Golden Boy Promotion's top honcho Oscar Dela Hoya Grin

. IMHO, he can offset the age factor by training very very hard just like what Manny Pacquiao did. GGG maybe not be on his prime anymore but this guy have Canelo's number and hope he can land that lucky punch that will put Canelo to sleep.

Manny and GGG are not in the same weight class. But GGG can take a lot of inspiration from the Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman fight. In the beginning, the betting odds were heavily favoring Thurman, but then they changed slightly after huge number of Filipinos made their bets in favor of Manny. But very few really thought that the 40-year old Manny would be able to beat a young boxer such as Thurman.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 22, 2020, 04:31:36 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:15:52 AM

IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Exactly, a knockout is the only way for Golokvin to win this upcoming fight. Judges seems afraid of Golden Boy Promotion's top honcho Oscar Dela Hoya Grin

. IMHO, he can offset the age factor by training very very hard just like what Manny Pacquiao did. GGG maybe not be on his prime anymore but this guy have Canelo's number and hope he can land that lucky punch that will put Canelo to sleep.

There's always luck when opportunities open and land that one knockout punch. This trilogy will be in the hands of the promoters on how they
will be able to bring audience and fans to still watch and support this fight.

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IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Exactly, a knockout is the only way for Golokvin to win this upcoming fight. Judges seems afraid of Golden Boy Promotion's top honcho Oscar Dela Hoya Grin

. IMHO, he can offset the age factor by training very very hard just like what Manny Pacquiao did. GGG maybe not be on his prime anymore but this guy have Canelo's number and hope he can land that lucky punch that will put Canelo to sleep.

Yep, that's the only way that GGG can win. And it will be a fitting for him as we all know that he was robbed specially on the first fight. However, Canelo Alvarez has one of the toughest chin, it hasn't been cracked before, even by a Light heavyweight like Kovalev, although there is an argument that he is no longer on his prime when he fought Alvarez.

I think Canelo's Endurance is way better than Golokvin's. I watched Canelo's fight and most of his opponents are tired and chasing some oxygen while he is just in control and focused. He showed no mercy every time he fight inside the ring but I know Golokvin is very prepared and focused about Canelo's preparation and style. But I think that in a boxing match, each boxers are vulnerable to a lucky punch because it depends on the body movement of the target. This fight is based on how strong your chin are, if you aren't trained to resist a strike in a chin then you are going to be defeated in just one click. I believe that Canelo will win this fight, it is more likely to be a Unanimous Decision or KO, I guarantee you that Canelo Alvarez will be the winning corner here.

It’s difficult to see a knockout these days hence I don’t expect Golovkin to walk-in and knock out Canelo that easily, however if he fires on all cylinders right from the start then he can definitely win by knockout. @Latviand there’s no doubt about Canelo’s endurance, but considering how Golovkin is preparing himself for this match it’s getting more difficult for me to choose a clear winner.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 22, 2020, 05:58:20 PM

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:15:52 AM

IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Exactly, a knockout is the only way for Golokvin to win this upcoming fight. Judges seems afraid of Golden Boy Promotion's top honcho Oscar Dela Hoya Grin

. IMHO, he can offset the age factor by training very very hard just like what Manny Pacquiao did. GGG maybe not be on his prime anymore but this guy have Canelo's number and hope he can land that lucky punch that will put Canelo to sleep.

Yep, that's the only way that GGG can win. And it will be a fitting for him as we all know that he was robbed specially on the first fight. However, Canelo Alvarez has one of the toughest chin, it hasn't been cracked before, even by a Light heavyweight like Kovalev, although there is an argument that he is no longer on his prime when he fought Alvarez.

I think Canelo's Endurance is way better than Golokvin's. I watched Canelo's fight and most of his opponents are tired and chasing some oxygen while he is just in control and focused. He showed no mercy every time he fight inside the ring but I know Golokvin is very prepared and focused about Canelo's preparation and style. But I think that in a boxing match, each boxers are vulnerable to a lucky punch because it depends on the body movement of the target. This fight is based on how strong your chin are, if you aren't trained to resist a strike in a chin then you are going to be defeated in just one click. I believe that Canelo will win this fight, it is more likely to be a Unanimous Decision or KO, I guarantee you that Canelo Alvarez will be the winning corner here.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:15:52 AM

IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Exactly, a knockout is the only way for Golokvin to win this upcoming fight. Judges seems afraid of Golden Boy Promotion's top honcho Oscar Dela Hoya Grin

. IMHO, he can offset the age factor by training very very hard just like what Manny Pacquiao did. GGG maybe not be on his prime anymore but this guy have Canelo's number and hope he can land that lucky punch that will put Canelo to sleep.

Yep, that's the only way that GGG can win. And it will be a fitting for him as we all know that he was robbed specially on the first fight. However, Canelo Alvarez has one of the toughest chin, it hasn't been cracked before, even by a Light heavyweight like Kovalev, although there is an argument that he is no longer on his prime when he fought Alvarez.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2020, 11:15:52 AM

IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

Exactly, a knockout is the only way for Golokvin to win this upcoming fight. Judges seems afraid of Golden Boy Promotion's top honcho Oscar Dela Hoya Grin

. IMHO, he can offset the age factor by training very very hard just like what Manny Pacquiao did. GGG maybe not be on his prime anymore but this guy have Canelo's number and hope he can land that lucky punch that will put Canelo to sleep.

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IMO, the only way Gennady Golovkin can defeat Caneolo Alvarez is through knockout. The jury is extremely biased, and they will never allow an UD against Alvarez. This has happened two times before. GGG won both the fights, but the biased judges refused to acknowledge that. My prediction is that this time GGG will knock out Alvarez, to avenge the humiliation he had last time. My only concern is his age.

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Majority of the voters on the poll voted for Alvarez either by unanimous decision or by knock out, he is a very different fighter now after winning the light heavyweight belt and I think he can beat Golovkin this time, this third should be decisive for any fighter because the first two fights are very controversial, or else we will have a fourth fight.

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Quote from: aioc on March 22, 2020, 06:44:53 AM

I was impressed with how Alvarez won the light heavyweight championship if he can do that kind of fight against Golovkin, Golovkin is big trouble, Kovalev the former champion can't handle his punching power, he is a much bigger than Alvarez, so I bet a big knock out win for Alvarez this time.

Kovalev did not prepared well for the fight against Canelo. There even rumours that he had lost that fight on purpose or simply sold his belt for a couple of millions us dollars

Such rumours appeared after post fight interview where Kovalev was answering question with a smile. He didnt look disappointed at all...

Plus Kovalev keep changing his coaches, can come late for training or event dont come. His attitude preparing to that was fight was "not serious".

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I was impressed with how Alvarez won the light heavyweight championship if he can do that kind of fight against Golovkin, Golovkin is big trouble, Kovalev the former champion can't handle his punching power, he is a much bigger than Alvarez, so I bet a big knock out win for Alvarez this time.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on March 21, 2020, 12:41:01 PM

There are nine votes in and it's surprisingly close so far. I had Canelo by UD.

But soon enough the Canelo would have a big margin on the voting, I respect both fighters so I am predicting now a draw for this fight.
GGG is the underdog but for sure he will not give Canelo an easy fight, the guy is a warrior, his chance is slim but he can win.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 21, 2020, 05:11:24 AM

@Darker45 - Yes, that's one possibility to according to this article:

https://www.givemesport.com/1556376-canelo-alvarez-vs-billy-joe-saunders-fight-could-be-held-in-the-uk-in-may-2021

Yeah, there are a handful of sports analysts suggesting this. I completely understand this option because the primary reason I suppose why GGG signed a deal with DAZN is to face Canelo one last time and try to finally seal their unfinished business. We all know how much effort GGG has already put into chasing Canelo all this time. And it is also a significant factor that time is not in his favor.

Another probable reason is that the boxing fans are certainly more excited for this rematch than the two boxers' more immediate fights. Finally, the purse points to this match as the biggest priority.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on March 21, 2020, 12:18:13 AM

This fight still makes you excited? Really? It's your opinion so I respect it Cheesy

. It doesn't make any hype for me at all because their past rematch already gave us a clear conclusion. Imagine, if Canelo able to beat GGG before then what mkre of doing it again? If Golovkin really starve for victory, he must now think of a tactic that Canelo can't read. Well, in all fairness, they had a close fight last time so I understand that promoters are raising for a rematch. I just hope there will be a knockout this time to settle everything once and for all Grin

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Have you watched the fight, i did not see a clear conclusion even after seeing multiple times as the fight is really close and hence it was not a clear decision. It is a stylistic match up and there is a demand for a rubber match and so is the reason the promoters have done that, if there was a clear conclusion i bet they will not generate any interest but that is not the case here, the first fight GGG clearly won the fight even though the judges messed up and the second fight was really close.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on March 21, 2020, 12:18:13 AM

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If Golovkin really starve for victory, he must now think of a tactic that Canelo can't read.

Both are veterans of the sports with great teams (they've probably seen it all). Everyone has their own plan but executing it is another matter that's why when it comes to this match up, it will be down to better training and conditioning. GGG has to be at 100% to face a prime Canelo.

Quote from: Kemarit on March 19, 2020, 04:35:56 PM

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Early odds at https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/boxing/bouts

Alvarez is the favorite:

Not surprising. A good one for GGG though.

There are nine votes in and it's surprisingly close so far. I had Canelo by UD.

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Quote from: Questat on March 20, 2020, 06:25:27 AM

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Quote from: Questat on March 20, 2020, 02:10:20 AM

Canelo is the favorites here, that is expected and it's fair line that most sports bettors would agree.
I believe that Canelo has the edge here, well majority believed as we can see on the odds provided above, but I would go for Golovkin and hoping for an upset.

Yes, I believed that Canelo should be the favourite based on his last performance against a LHW Kovalev.
Although GGG also won his fight after a lost to Canelo, in Derevyanchenko and Rolls, it looks lke he is not the same GGG that we are hoping to see. It seems that he had struggled on those both fights. And there could be others arguing that Derevyanchenko was very closed and he was hit more than he should get.

At +200 for GGG, that is very tempting as a bettor, both are good fighters and one mistake by either boxer could change the outcome of the game.
Therefore, I would still favor on the underdog here although Canelo Alvarez has been so consistent lately.

Just like other boxing threads here, what about we make a voting here, can you add a poll OP?

Yes, odds like that are very tempting, it could change though as the fight gets closer.

@Darker45 - Yes, that's one possibility to according to this article:

https://www.givemesport.com/1556376-canelo-alvarez-vs-billy-joe-saunders-fight-could-be-held-in-the-uk-in-may-2021

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Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs Billy Joe Saunders is a fight nearly every single boxing fan is desperate to see.

It's a clash of styles that's almost impossible to predict. On one side, you have the irresistible force that is Canelo, a ferocious combination of skill and power.

In the other corner, you have the man that many consider to be the finest scientific boxer in the both the middleweight and super middleweight divisions.

It really is a delicious recipe on paper and the fight was all set to be announced this week. The two world-class warriors were set to lock horns on Cinco de Mayo weekend in Las Vegas.

Sadly, the coronavirus outbreak crippling the world has brought a halt to pretty much all boxing and as such, the announcement of the fight has had to be postponed.

But the delay could play into the hands of British boxing fans. According to the Daily Mail, there is a serious chance that Canelo vs Saunders will be held in the UK in May 2021.

Canelo is all but certain to have his trilogy fight with Gennady Golovkin in September, which means the Saunders bout at super middleweight cannot be re-scheduled for June, July or August.

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