Topic: Am I a friend or foe of Bitcoin? (Read 942 times)

Poll /topic closed.

I'm happy the majority feel as I do, because going outside the forum was necessary.   Putting a name to OG was not necessary, even though he has been bragging for years he is THE bitcointalk treasurer, and I will live with that action.  But claiming I put his life in danger is nonsense - he does it every day, and he disclosed his security measures to me in a PM.

It's impossible to keep anything in the forum, unless you want to dick wave forever.   I care less about the civil penalties OG faces, or the reward I could qualify for, than I do about proving he is a liar in a legal court.  As a profile's trust becomes "redder", they start to post more blatant lies, as their reputation can not be harmed as easily. 

I also want to separate myself from the likes of Thule, Quickseller and OG, who use legal threats to forward their agenda.  I will help crytpo legitimize by showing lies have consequences.


Yes.  YES.  YES!

I PMed you - blocked. 
I emailed you - no reply for a day, even though you've been active here.
So I will post here.
I do want to negotiate a settlement before you get charged.  If your legal representation IS NOT NULL, please send the contact info to [email protected]

Thanks all!

As a person I always like them who are straight-forward in their activities and I observed it in you. You have a lot of contribution for the community and you obvoiusly deserve better Vod. I don't know why you think people fear you for what you are doing against scammers, spammers & fraudulent activators. This isn't fear man its respect. Yeah obviously scammers should fear someone atleast.

I don't bother who think positive or negative about me because one thing always punch me on mind that i am trying my best to help others. For that reason maybe on someone's eye I am "hero" or some others take me as a "villain". If scammers and fraudulent activators hate me then let them hate and i am ready to accept it.

Vod, you are a great member, I respect you , I like bpip , I love that boobies' avatar, but posting OG's address was a terrible mistake , i am glad you got rid of it and I hope this shit between you two ends up someday , maybe.

Won't cost him a cent.  He posted several times he has paid his taxes, including a "six figure" sum one year.  He has nothing to defend.

Doesn't matter what I think anymore - no longer in my hands.

And are you sure that there's not even 1% chance of you being wrong? Even with your track record of never being wrong? Otherwise, you'd have caused this person a huge amount of money just so he can defend himself.

idk man, you do you. GL with all this BS I'm out.

This community has become a pissing contest over who can lie better.  It no longer functions and needs a reboot.

I simply copied info found a million places on the web.  OG sent out his address to everyone he scammed.  He hasn't tried to be private - he has relied on his ability to lie publicly to make a living.

It's done - I've pressed the reboot button.  Now we will see what comes of it.   You can lie to Theymos, but not the government. 

I hate you. I've always hated you. That's because you are right most of the times. But when I came around you too were critical of me. So was Tomatocage and basically everyone that abused me on that Exotic car brokering thread.

Anyways. I do think that reporting someone for scammy shit - no matter their rank or stature is the right thing to do. Even if that person is legitimate they will prove their legitimacy through the trial that the community puts them through. You did that, always and for that I like you.

However, it will disrupt the immediate business plans of that guy. Which is a good thing if he was a scammer, to begin with, otherwise you've ruined someone's life dream based on a hunch. And sir, no matter how good your hunch is, without evidence, it still is a hunch.

And please don't doxx someone. The reason most of us joined crypto is because we like our privacy, not because we want to hide something, its because 'we like our privacy'.




And I hate to admit it, Quikie is on the point here.

If you believe anyone is running a big enough game for 6 years, then put the funds together, you old timers are millionaires, you guys can afford a private detective agency. Gather evidence and THEN report to whichever authority you please.

But even then, do not publicly dox someone, it ruins lives and the punishment that the doxxed person faces is beyond any reasonable scale and financially crippling.

Friend .

I dont trust anyone on this forum, they all have a price they will scam for, its just higher for certain people.  I'm glad that Vod is exposing OGnasty, that boy better be packing a gun and have his physical security taken care of, never know when some "visitors" are going to knock on his door.

Now that you realize you’ve broken laws and will be in hot water you want to press ignore? A bit late. Let me know if you want to negotiate a settlement and I’ll send you contact info for my legal representation.

I was clear enough.

Agreed. 

Don't you think the framing of that question is a little unfair? I was suggesting deescalation, or at least dealing with each other privately.


You don't need anyone's blessing to speak your mind. I'm still confused how you intend to show anything on the basis of a poll without accuracy.

Would clicking "Ignore" be a consideration? If your intention is to not give any more fuel to the issue, then surely responding directly to their claims is not assisting your cause.

I have to respectfully disagree.  

This forum is a built up cesspool right now.  People need a release and it won't happen on this forum.

Everyone needs a big reminder that what you post here has real life implications.  OG agrees with me.  (Note:  by using everyone, I am not thinking everyone is part of the cesspool)

Regardless of the outcome, I believe IRS awareness will calm things down.  I'd also like to see QS report me to the police and get that rumor settled too!

One of us will win, one of us will lose, but everyone will benefit from this.

hmm...
So either my statement that it "seem"s you are delighted to see vod doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is wrong, or, I am wrong that you are not from the US?

You think doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "constructive", therefore merited it, and I think speaking up against doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "constructive", therefore merited it..
Right? Or did you just think doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "interesting"?
Was "delighted" the wrong word to use? You merited his dox...

If I am wrong here I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I am not a liar. It must be that you are difficult for me to understand as we have had this problem before..
If you are accusing me of spreading lies or lying I wish you would be more clear about exactly what you are talking about but I can assure you I do not intend to spread lies..


I think it is probably a loaded poll biased toward justifying him reporting OG to the IRS and maybe a slick way to get the community's support behind him on it, or to show community support for it, while leaving out key details of what it is ultimately about, that I felt the need to add to the discussion..

OG likes to use the words "everyone" and "community" to make his points.  I wanted to show he is wrong.  Hope that is OK. 


You are suggesting I lock this thread and give OG more fuel?

Anyway, he has already redacted his claim I am irrelevant by further posting I am "enemy to the community".

It is hard to keep up with his bullshit.  :/  Now he is posting I didn't even put my name to the complaint.  He seems to imagine what the agent said and imagine what I did, and pass those off as facts.  Can't he just wait until they contact him? 

His delusions build on assumptions built on cherry picking.

This is normally why I don't involve myself in Reputation threads; it's above my pay-grade. I need things explained to me like I'm a toddler. With my limited understanding of the situation, can you help me understand why another person's opinion matters enough to genuinely seek a community consensus on the matter? If this is a personality clash between two individuals, then where do any of us come in? Especially if your intent is to seek legal action against that person, it would seem best to discuss this sort of thing with a legal team, others on a need-to-know basis and nobody else.

When I see quotes like this



it makes me wonder what the intended purpose of the thread was to begin with. I understand the "redaction" was more recent than the creation of the thread, but then why continue with the thread now that it has been "redacted"?

I thought I did?  

You'll have to blame the forum poll system on this one.  It provides a separate place for a topic discussion title, and a poll question.

I tried to make the poll as simple as possible - two different opposable options without all the garbage choices other people make in polls.  

I even took the time to reiterate the actual poll question in the topic thread!  I see now that people respond more to the title to the poll, so next time I will make them identical.  Copy/Paste with no added info.

Anyway, the poll was based on OG posting I was a "DANGER" to bitcoin.  He has now redacted that to post I'm irrelevant to bitcoin.    

How about you stop spreading lies about me around the forum? Asking questions and quoting someones posts =/= whatever you say it is.

The same as you think post #2 "this is stupid" is interesting and constructive , I think original thread was interesting and constructive. It would be reckless to use merit system as a like system, don't you agree?

As for topic:
It don't think it does, it shouldn't be different than reporting suspected fraud committed with real money, as for "Am I a friend or foe of Bitcoin?" you are friend. I like to remember when you came to Croatian local to warn people that someone is scammer. Only friend of community will do such thing.

It's always incredibly confusing for me to have to read between the lines for everything that is being discussed in Reputation.

Vod asks "Am I friend or foe of Bitcoin?", and elaborates with "How is crypto affected by reporting suspected fraud?", but for some reason if I were to answer those questions at face value I would probably be looked at as a fool. Wouldn't it be easier to just say what you mean?

I would say almost anyone in our community is a friend of Bitcoin; regardless of how you feel about another member, their projects or organizations that are Bitcoin related. Having different visions of the path that our community or Bitcoin should take doesn't make you a foe, or an enemy. The questions about reporting fraud is irrelevant to Bitcoin, in my opinion, because you could replace the word "crypto" or "Bitcoin" with fiat and the meaning doesn't change. Reporting the actions of an individual has nothing to do with Bitcoin, unless the contingency is the fact that it involves Bitcoin, then I would say it has nothing to do with Bitcoin. If you had similar suspicions about someone doing the same thing, minus the crypto/bitcoin would that change your course of action?

These questions your asking seem to have less to do with Bitcoin, and more with how you feel about an individual.
Reminds me of our good pal killyou72's thread : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/auctions-in-the-collectibles-5141664