Topic: Am I the only one that doesn't stand for the pledge and the national anthem? - page 3. (Read 3932 times)

From all the countries I went to school, only the USA has this pledge of allegiance nonsense. Not even Nazi Germany had this nonsense. Maybe only North Korea.

This goes for flags too, outside the US, you don't see normal people hoisting up flags of their country.

Sure does! And some have even considered it! But the negative impact on the citizens (who ideally wouldn't want to lose the communist benefits of the Federal government supporting them in times that their own production, manufacturing, etc isn't doing so hot) has kept them from ever going through with it.

Personally, I think Ron Paul has the right idea. Minimize the federal government influence. The thing is, even then people like you won't be happy because you'll say "This state is corrupt!" instead of "This country is corrupt!" because you're a loudmouth who doesn't get any actual work done. In that case though, I truly hope you move out of the USA ASAP so you can find a country that requires no effort to maintain and still produces wealth around the clock without a single threat of invasion.
 

The Constitution allows for the states to secede.

Guess what-- when you pledge allegiance to the flag (the one that was created back then), you are in fact giving honor to those who died fighting in the original revolution. Nobody pledges allegiance to the flag for current activities. Has anyone ever done that in the history of the USA? Have you ever heard a President say, "Now let's take a moment to remember what I just did just now. Please stand and put your hand over your heart to address me the way I should be"? You're delusional (big surprise).

Yes, rights are balls and chains. Having the ability to change things creates responsibility doesn't it. Isn't it great how that works? Why don't you try taking some responsibility for the America that you aren't helping to change asshole and stop blaming it on everyone else while you play TF2 with your parents money?

Voting is robbing now? 


Cultures are based on systems, idiot. If the problem is "the system", then the problem is effectively "culture".

Oh okay, I was wondering what the symbols on my passport mean, the taxes I pay, the benefits I receive, the responsibilities I share, and the men and women who work hard to keep people happy, healthy and sane on middle North American region. Usually we just call it "America". You can make up new definitions if you'd like (it seems to be the only way you have to win an argument).

Lies. Ron Paul loves the system. He is the most pro-constitution elective since the founding fathers. He doesn't want to dismantle the system, he wants to reassign responsibilities in a way that allows freedoms to be properly given with choice. Also, as a Doctor, he is against abortion. He would make it illegal if he could. By that alone, he is "evil" and "against your freedoms and liberties". Go back to school tomorrow and ask your libertarian teacher the answer to the next question so we can continue this.

Good! That's the first interesting thing you've said in this entire thread. Lead with that next time.

The original revolution and its respective maintenance were the only wars worth fighting in my book. I don't see benefits coming from anything else.

The right to vote on a federal level is more of a ball-and-chain than a freedom. It allows the many to rob the few and the property holders through a centralized regime. How lovely?

The problem is "the system". There needs to be many systems with various rules of conduct according to their respective cultures.

There is no America. It is a spook. It represents nothing. Cultures do not go that far. Startups, industry and all else can only be represented by the genuinely affected parties.

I support Ron Paul because he represents my goal of dismantling the entire Federal Government. He is not a part of the system; he is against it and so am I.

I am for many different systems for many different people.

One rule respects nobody but its rulers.

To wars that we fought with the British to gain our freedoms and rights.

and the lives of horrible child raping, murderous dogs who would otherwise roam our streets if it weren't for the police

And gave us the right to vote and do anything we want to change the system in numbers

and doing everything possible to stand up against going into more debt while keeping our country safe and organizing the systems people like your parents voted to be created and maintained at any cost

Assembly line. Automotive industry. Silicon valley. Airline industry. Microchip industry. Foods industry. Service industry. The largest country of startups in the world.



You know what's worse than sheep? Idiots who don't know their history. When you speak about America, you too easily discount the past 250 years. You're a Ron Paul fan, and yet he is part of the system as well. You can't be against America if you're for saving it, you just have to be against yourself for not saving it-- which you're not...at all...even in the slightest...trying to do. That makes you a retarded, loud mouthed sheep.

EDIT: When are you out of high school so you can run for office? When will you finally not be a worthless drudge on society and actually start doing something with your passions? Are you planning on being a loudmouthed soapboxer your entire life because "the system is corrupt"? Planning on terrorist attacks to "shake things up"? The only thing you'll ever do is keep taking money from your parents, continue to speak about something way beyond your age in noticeable immature, and continue to make yourself stand out in a bad way. You really aren't going to have a productive life nor a very successful one. The only people who listen to the crap you speak are the ones interested in using a pawn to do their extremist dirty work. I look forward to ejecting you without a parachute when you try to blow up my plane because "Bitcoin" and "down with America because they don't accept Bitcoin".

...to agendas and wars that trampled over the constitution, innocent lives, took away powers from individual states and cultures, that put populations into slavery with debt while stifling economic productivity and innovation. All-in-all for bigotry and totalitarianism through which is now the world's centralized military power. Gotcha. I have even more reason not to stand for an anthem, the pledge and the generations of apathetic sheep that have ruined our world.

Both of my grandfather's served in the military. My great-great-grandfather lost his leg in the Civil War. Yes, I find their efforts a waste but I do value them for who they are.

ha ha. he said Atlas. I stand. mainly because mobs kicking my ass don't sound like a good time

Bingo. That's the correct attitude to have. Next thing you know, Atlas is going to say "I met with a Chinese person the other day on a vacation to China and when they bowed to me, I refused to bow back. I bow for no man!". God what an imbecile. For someone who pretends to live for symbolism, he sure doesn't know the first thing about self-presentation.

I stand out of respect for the crowd, just like I would if at an event that was hosting a group from another country and their flag was shown and their national anthem played. But placing my hand over my heart, or pledging allegiance to the thing? No, I concluded that was inappropriate (at least for myself) some time ago.

The reason people were looking at you is because you did something intending to make a statement, which they received, and in their perception of how generations upon generations of people have given their lives and freedoms so that snot like you could even go to a hockey game, they don't appreciate your sentiments and I wouldn't either. I don't pray at dinner tables where people are praying, but I don't start a thread about it to get attention.

Such an attention whore. Seriously, are you that desperate to be noticed and make a statement? Why don't you run for office then? I'm serious. Why are you the biggest non-active loser in the world who also happens to think he's got it all figured out? Do something with it for christ's sake. Prove it. Why are you wasting your time here on a forum preaching to people who think you're handicapped?


Back to point, requiring pledging allegiance to the flag would be unconstitutional, but so would requiring you to not use your cellphone at a funeral. Once again, you fail to miss the finer details of society as a whole and trade them for a self-fulfilling prophecy of how you need to up against odds with the world in order to be a part of it.

Need much growing up, you do.

I am terrified of my country, the US of A. worst crooks ever.

A country is such a spook of an idea especially when an entity or culture can only genuinely represent so many people, let alone 350 million in the United States. Why stand for something so intangible? Why pay any regard to it? Why should I pledge allegiance to anything purportedly above myself?

I refused to stand for the national anthem at a hockey game today and I got nasty looks but isn't that what the United States is supposed to stand for; individual liberty?