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Topic: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion - page 125. (Read 223316 times)

legendary
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So what are you raising funds for then?   No, semi company in their right mind would be wasting their time helping you design a chip to do this unless you have a team of experienced people that understand the system.   The current development lead time on 45 is well over 6 months even if you had a design so you will not even have a product for 12 months.  28???   How are the wafer starts looking in 28?   lots of space for you?
You just got to the point of signing the NDA?   So, all this money is to develop a chip now?  You have no chance of getting a wafer start.   Probably best to just sticking to pumping and dumping a stock that is trading on what value???
Wow, people really have a lot of faith don't they?
We know what we are doing.  The wafers are already almost done.
When did you start the chip design?  I thought you just signed an NDA here last week with a fab?  You mean you already taped out the mask?   Or are you on a shuttle?
What did the fab tell you would need to show prove of funds for before they would even turn you to legal for vetting?  Just prove to me that you do know what you are doing because your statement above seems strange.

Ken;
But you said the wafers are already almost done.  You said you had transferred your tech from 65 to 45 and 28 prior to this.   So, are your wafers NOT "almost done"?   Were you lying?
legendary
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This gets even better an better.
Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.
Many thanks! Kiss
Vbs;  I think you probably know that ASICminer is a chinese national and your shares are basically "faith based".   you have no recourse if friedcat walked away.  The reason everyone loves friedcat so much is because he ACTUALLY pays people and does not rip them off (like most other people have done to "shareholders").   
How are people doing getting their money from pirate@40 even though everyone knows his full name and his address?   Or how about Roman Shytman?
Minor Miner, I thought you said you was not going to post here anymore, since we figure out that you are a competitor developing your own product.  You are just trolling here.
I will never be your competitor Ken, I am not in the business of illegally soliciting funds from people and while I do not agree with many USA laws, I try to follow the ones that can land your ass in Club Fed...   Nor am I in the business of selling people something that I do not have.  Since your only business thus far is an illegal IPO, I doubt we will ever be competitors.    When you are hashing your three avalons, we will still not be competitors.   I actually doubt you will ever see a day when you can consider yourself competitive in any business that I am in.
Because I know more about the business and the logistics of asic development than you do, makes me someone that has spent more time than you investigating.   Because I know development times and costs of ASICs makes me someone that knows more about something you claim expertise in.   Because I know (and called you out on) your NDA, Mask, and wafer fairy tales makes me someone that is not a fool.   I will let you know if I ever try to become your competitor.  First, you would need to start a legitimate and LEGAL business.
And, I am trying to not post but your ever morphing story is too interesting.   That you can get money from people amazes me. 
Vbs
hero member
Activity: 504
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The Avalons you priced at $6000 / GH/s?

Yes, their arrival will really change my opinion of your company.

Great. You, like everyone else, are entitled to your opinion. Now, calling everyone "sheep" and coming here like your opinion is the "truth" is a completely different story.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss



perhaps you should research what happened to folks who invested in 'AmazingRando'



Maybe, you should wait, before you condemn us.  Why, don't you hold off until the Avalon's get here on Monday or a week from then when we start paying dividends.  No, you have to do it now, because you won't have a leg to stand on then.  You have to get you punch in now, then run away when the above happens.  I am sure you won't be posting after we start paying dividends.



The Avalons you priced at $6000 / GH/s?

Yes, their arrival will really change my opinion of your company.

I am sure it won't, but your opinion is not what counts.  What counts is the opinion Investors have of AMC.  That opinion that has been expresed is 2.5 Million shares being sold in about 24 hours, that what counts.

My sympathies to the rubes who paid 10x what Friedcat sells boards for to get access to the miniscule dividends that will remain after you pay all VMC's expenses with the Avalon revenue.

How many shares were you forced by Uyko to buy back after your pump and dump last weekend?
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss



perhaps you should research what happened to folks who invested in 'AmazingRando'



Maybe, you should wait, before you condemn us.  Why, don't you hold off until the Avalon's get here on Monday or a week from then when we start paying dividends.  No, you have to do it now, because you won't have a leg to stand on then.  You have to get you punch in now, then run away when the above happens.  I am sure you won't be posting after we start paying dividends.



The Avalons you priced at $6000 / GH/s?

Yes, their arrival will really change my opinion of your company.

I am sure it won't, but your opinion is not what counts.  What counts is the opinion Investors have of AMC.  That opinion that has been expresed is 2.5 Million shares being sold in about 24 hours, that what counts.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss



perhaps you should research what happened to folks who invested in 'AmazingRando'



Maybe, you should wait, before you condemn us.  Why, don't you hold off until the Avalon's get here on Monday or a week from then when we start paying dividends.  No, you have to do it now, because you won't have a leg to stand on then.  You have to get you punch in now, then run away when the above happens.  I am sure you won't be posting after we start paying dividends.

The Avalons you priced at $6000 / GH/s?

Yes, their arrival will really change my opinion of your company.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss



perhaps you should research what happened to folks who invested in 'AmazingRando'



Maybe, you should wait, before you condemn us.  Why, don't you hold off until the Avalon's get here on Monday or a week from then when we start paying dividends.  No, you have to do it now, because you won't have a leg to stand on then.  You have to get you punch in now, then run away when the above happens.  I am sure you won't be posting after we start paying dividends.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss



I don't run ASICMINER.  And Friedcat has already established that

-he is capable of designing and building a mining ASIC
-can run a mining operation on a vast scale
-keeps his promises

Ken has done none of those things.

What he has done, is:
Artificially pump up the price of AMC stock by buying and selling the shares himself
Posted numerous misleading press releases with completely bogus income forecasts
Set up a corporate structure inspired by the scammer Ian Bakewell that guarantees him permanent voting control



Did he do that at first, No.  It took some time before his ASIC was developed, then it took some more time before it was deployed, then it took some more time for him to scale up the operation.  Now, after all of that you can say that he keeps his promises.  However, you are here trolling and running down or operation without giving us a chance to prove ourselfs.  I guess you was doing that same thing to ASICMiner before he did all of the above, now you are on his side.

Wrong again.  Friedcat came on here with a very plausible and honest business proposition.  Go ahead and try to find a single criticism from me.

You on the other hand, are no more than Josh Jr. without the history of actually building FPGA devices.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss



I don't run ASICMINER.  And Friedcat has already established that

-he is capable of designing and building a mining ASIC
-can run a mining operation on a vast scale
-keeps his promises

Ken has done none of those things.

What he has done, is:
Artificially pump up the price of AMC stock by buying and selling the shares himself
Posted numerous misleading press releases with completely bogus income forecasts
Set up a corporate structure inspired by the scammer Ian Bakewell that guarantees him permanent voting control



Did he do that at first, No.  It took some time before his ASIC was developed, then it took some more time before it was deployed, then it took some more time for him to scale up the operation.  Now, after all of that you can say that he keeps his promises.  However, you are here trolling and running down or operation without giving us a chance to prove ourselfs.  I guess you was doing that same thing to ASICMiner before he did all of the above, now you are on his side.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss



perhaps you should research what happened to folks who invested in 'AmazingRando'

sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
This gets even better an better.
Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.
Many thanks! Kiss
Vbs;  I think you probably know that ASICminer is a chinese national and your shares are basically "faith based".   you have no recourse if friedcat walked away.  The reason everyone loves friedcat so much is because he ACTUALLY pays people and does not rip them off (like most other people have done to "shareholders").   
How are people doing getting their money from pirate@40 even though everyone knows his full name and his address?   Or how about Roman Shytman?

Minor Miner, I thought you said you was not going to post here anymore, since we figure out that you are a competitor developing your own product.  You are just trolling here.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss



I don't run ASICMINER.  And Friedcat has already established that

-he is capable of designing and building a mining ASIC
-can run a mining operation on a vast scale
-keeps his promises

Ken has done none of those things.

What he has done, is:
Artificially pump up the price of AMC stock by buying and selling the shares himself
Posted numerous misleading press releases with completely bogus income forecasts
Set up a corporate structure inspired by the scammer Ian Bakewell that guarantees him permanent voting control
Gifted ownership of the IP for equipment development paid for by AMC to himself for a small royalty

sr. member
Activity: 476
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legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1020
Be A Digital Miner
This gets even better an better.
Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.
Many thanks! Kiss
Vbs;  I think you probably know that ASICminer is a chinese national and your shares are basically "faith based".   you have no recourse if friedcat walked away.  The reason everyone loves friedcat so much is because he ACTUALLY pays people and does not rip them off (like most other people have done to "shareholders").   
How are people doing getting their money from pirate@40 even though everyone knows his full name and his address?   Or how about Roman Shytman?
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Just got back from renting 2600 square feet for our combined mining and manufacturing facility.  I already have "Team AMC" at BTCGuild.  I will check out which pools to use.  

I think that's it's safe to say that this is and never was a pump and dump Smiley

Congratz on pulling through all the shit, ken. Glad I got in when I did.

Yep.  Each share will soon leap from owning the earnings from 0 GH/s to a stunning 5 kH/s (not typo there, that is kilohashes).  You could do better mining with your cell phone.

Meanwhile Ken is using your money to rent space to be used for VMC's manufacturing operations.  It still boggles my mind that the sheep buying this don't recognize that VMC is getting all the value from your investment because it will own the IP to all the equipment development paid for with AMC's revenues.

No, As I said before AMC owns all of the IP and gets paid about twice the normal royalty when VMC uses it.  I am providing the funds for VMC's manufacturing operations.  AMC is only providing the funds agreed to in its contract with VMC, which is posted at bitfunder.com.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_cost

Great.  Please post the relevant contracts.  A block of text in a FAQ page on bitfunder isn't legally binding on anyone.



The contract which is signed a sealed by VMC and AMC is posted in the images on bitfunder.com.  You should try looking around and reading all of documents before you start trolling here.

That 'contract' lacks

- Any discussion of intellectual properties rights, or royalties completely contradicting your claims on here
- provides zero definition of 'cost' other than a retail cost in the appendix which is double the price of the Avalon chips
- discusses a 3rd party entity which isn't identified as to location, ownership or role 'SplendidCRM'
- is signed on behalf of both parties by yourself, likely making the entire document invalid due to the lack of arms length separation between the parties.

Specifies Wake County, North Carolina as the venue for any disputes.  Strange choice for a Delaware corporation doing business with a Vanatu (or is is Seychelles this week?) corporation supposedly run by a resident of Missouri.

Royalties are spelled out.

The contract specifies this:

AMC will receive license fees in the form of Bitcoin mining machines at cost and royalties from VMC for it's technology.

The following will be ordered from VMC if funds are available and the units are developed.  AMC will have the first right of refusal on the below units developed by VMC and any future
developed units. Additional units will be provided at lowest retail value minus the 10% royalty fee.

** Fast-Hash-XXX is a trademark of VMC developed Bitcoin Mining Machines. AMC will receive the above machines at manufacturers cost. AMC will also receive a 10% royalty from VMC on all other VMC sales using AMC's technologies.

Here is the definition of 'Manufactures Cost' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_cost

3rd party entity 'SplendidCRM':  Just a typo in the contract.

Can you quote some case law on '...entire document invalid due to...'.  I kinda doubt it.
Vbs
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
This gets even better an better.

Entropy-uc, please also post the similar legally binding information relative to ASICMINER, so we can compare it to AMC.

Many thanks! Kiss

hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
Just got back from renting 2600 square feet for our combined mining and manufacturing facility.  I already have "Team AMC" at BTCGuild.  I will check out which pools to use.  

I think that's it's safe to say that this is and never was a pump and dump Smiley

Congratz on pulling through all the shit, ken. Glad I got in when I did.

Yep.  Each share will soon leap from owning the earnings from 0 GH/s to a stunning 5 kH/s (not typo there, that is kilohashes).  You could do better mining with your cell phone.

Meanwhile Ken is using your money to rent space to be used for VMC's manufacturing operations.  It still boggles my mind that the sheep buying this don't recognize that VMC is getting all the value from your investment because it will own the IP to all the equipment development paid for with AMC's revenues.

No, As I said before AMC owns all of the IP and gets paid about twice the normal royalty when VMC uses it.  I am providing the funds for VMC's manufacturing operations.  AMC is only providing the funds agreed to in its contract with VMC, which is posted at bitfunder.com.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_cost

Great.  Please post the relevant contracts.  A block of text in a FAQ page on bitfunder isn't legally binding on anyone.



The contract which is signed a sealed by VMC and AMC is posted in the images on bitfunder.com.  You should try looking around and reading all of documents before you start trolling here.

That 'contract' lacks

- Any discussion of intellectual properties rights, or royalties completely contradicting your claims on here
- provides zero definition of 'cost' other than a retail cost in the appendix which is double the price of the Avalon chips
- discusses a 3rd party entity which isn't identified as to location, ownership or role 'SplendidCRM'
- is signed on behalf of both parties by yourself, likely making the entire document invalid due to the lack of arms length separation between the parties.

Specifies Wake County, North Carolina as the venue for any disputes.  Strange choice for a Delaware corporation doing business with a Vanatu (or is is Seychelles this week?) corporation supposedly run by a resident of Missouri.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Just got back from renting 2600 square feet for our combined mining and manufacturing facility.  I already have "Team AMC" at BTCGuild.  I will check out which pools to use.  

I think that's it's safe to say that this is and never was a pump and dump Smiley

Congratz on pulling through all the shit, ken. Glad I got in when I did.

Yep.  Each share will soon leap from owning the earnings from 0 GH/s to a stunning 5 kH/s (not typo there, that is kilohashes).  You could do better mining with your cell phone.

Meanwhile Ken is using your money to rent space to be used for VMC's manufacturing operations.  It still boggles my mind that the sheep buying this don't recognize that VMC is getting all the value from your investment because it will own the IP to all the equipment development paid for with AMC's revenues.

No, As I said before AMC owns all of the IP and gets paid about twice the normal royalty when VMC uses it.  I am providing the funds for VMC's manufacturing operations.  AMC is only providing the funds agreed to in its contract with VMC, which is posted at bitfunder.com.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_cost

Great.  Please post the relevant contracts.  A block of text in a FAQ page on bitfunder isn't legally binding on anyone.



The contract which is signed a sealed by VMC and AMC is posted in the images on bitfunder.com.  You should try looking around and reading all of documents before you start trolling here.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 501
Just got back from renting 2600 square feet for our combined mining and manufacturing facility.  I already have "Team AMC" at BTCGuild.  I will check out which pools to use.  

I think that's it's safe to say that this is and never was a pump and dump Smiley

Congratz on pulling through all the shit, ken. Glad I got in when I did.

Yep.  Each share will soon leap from owning the earnings from 0 GH/s to a stunning 5 kH/s (not typo there, that is kilohashes).  You could do better mining with your cell phone.

Meanwhile Ken is using your money to rent space to be used for VMC's manufacturing operations.  It still boggles my mind that the sheep buying this don't recognize that VMC is getting all the value from your investment because it will own the IP to all the equipment development paid for with AMC's revenues.

No, As I said before AMC owns all of the IP and gets paid about twice the normal royalty when VMC uses it.  I am providing the funds for VMC's manufacturing operations.  AMC is only providing the funds agreed to in its contract with VMC, which is posted at bitfunder.com.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_cost

Great.  Please post the relevant contracts.  A block of text in a FAQ page on bitfunder isn't legally binding on anyone.

sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Just got back from renting 2600 square feet for our combined mining and manufacturing facility.  I already have "Team AMC" at BTCGuild.  I will check out which pools to use.  

I think that's it's safe to say that this is and never was a pump and dump Smiley

Congratz on pulling through all the shit, ken. Glad I got in when I did.

Yep.  Each share will soon leap from owning the earnings from 0 GH/s to a stunning 5 kH/s (not typo there, that is kilohashes).  You could do better mining with your cell phone.

Meanwhile Ken is using your money to rent space to be used for VMC's manufacturing operations.  It still boggles my mind that the sheep buying this don't recognize that VMC is getting all the value from your investment because it will own the IP to all the equipment development paid for with AMC's revenues.

No, As I said before AMC owns all of the IP and gets paid about twice the normal royalty when VMC uses it.  I am providing the funds for VMC's manufacturing operations.  AMC is only providing the funds agreed to in its contract with VMC, which is posted at bitfunder.com.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_cost
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