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Topic: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion - page 19. (Read 223334 times)

legendary
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Thanks for answering that. Maybe you could enlighten me about the buying wall, too? Wink Seems like there is nothing to trade anymore in BtcTc right now, but a chance to sell or buy for the swap?

 
Small question without reading through the thread: is that order on 0.002500 of 1.988.133 shares on BtcTc real or just some kind of market maker mechanism to reduce spread?

They are real - they are the latest release of shares from AMC.
sr. member
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Verify queue down to zero, as of this time, transferring shares now on bitfunder.  BTC-TC will be next.
hero member
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Dolphins Finance TRUSTED FINANCE
Small question without reading through the thread: is that order on 0.002500 of 1.988.133 shares on BtcTc real or just some kind of market maker mechanism to reduce spread?

They are real - they are the latest release of shares from AMC.
legendary
Activity: 1106
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Small question without reading through the thread: is that order on 0.002500 of 1.988.133 shares on BtcTc real or just some kind of market maker mechanism to reduce spread?
hero member
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"There are plenty of shares left as of this writing.  You can purchase the shares on bitfunder.com asset ActiveMining or you can purchase AMC shares on bitfunder and tender them or you can purchase AMC-PT on BTC-TC and tender them."

Got it, thanks. I see that share price is considerably cheaper on BitFunder, maybe i should move funds there (and to diversify) instead of BTCT. Just one more newbie question - at the registration page on BitFunder there is a request to input BTC address. "(Note: This address will be posted in public view, with a listing of shares per asset. This will ensure your anonymity, while being able to prove identity, and holdings.)
This address will not, and can not be used to withdraw to."

Is this an address i can get in my Bitcoin wallet or where should i get/generate this address? Yeah, newbie...

Dont use that address for any fund transfers to buy/trade shares , you have to have an we-exchange account set-up in order to send & withdraw btc to/from bitfunder , check help or Faq page on bitfunder.

Refer to : https://bitfunder.com/help   , Where do I go to deposit or withdraw BTC?
full member
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FRX: Ferocious Alpha
I have options that I've purchased that I've been waiting to execute for AMC shares - how are those affected now with this new merger?

How long will trading be an option on the old AMC shares (as opposed to the new ActiveMining)? I assume as long as we can trade them, we can execute options on them.

Granted AM will trade higher than AMC, but AMC should do fine as well.


Ok, so from that, I interpret that AMC shares will be around for at least a few more months (my current options expire in a month or two) and once I execute them, I will be able to swap the resulting shares for ActiveMining?

As stated right now, swapping is only available until the 31st of July.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.
sr. member
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The Assman: CEO of Vandelay Import/Export, Inc.
I have options that I've purchased that I've been waiting to execute for AMC shares - how are those affected now with this new merger?

How long will trading be an option on the old AMC shares (as opposed to the new ActiveMining)? I assume as long as we can trade them, we can execute options on them.

Granted AM will trade higher than AMC, but AMC should do fine as well.


Ok, so from that, I interpret that AMC shares will be around for at least a few more months (my current options expire in a month or two) and once I execute them, I will be able to swap the resulting shares for ActiveMining?
sr. member
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I have options that I've purchased that I've been waiting to execute for AMC shares - how are those affected now with this new merger?

How long will trading be an option on the old AMC shares (as opposed to the new ActiveMining)? I assume as long as we can trade them, we can execute options on them.

Ken - I believe this operation will be a success and I've bought a lot of 2-3 month call options to AMC shares. I'd appreciate it if you take guys like me into consideration when setting the expiration date for the AMC to VMC share swap deadline.

We need to make sure there is a way to make Surprise (and any others in this position) whole.

The first Google hit I found for what happens to an option following a stock split, is here:

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/03/092103.asp

The answer might help us figure out a solution.

This is really not a stock split, it is a swap, 1 share of AMC for 1 share of VMC when approved for trading.  The option owner are placing there bets and it up to them to guess right on the timing.  As an option trader myself I understand their concerns.

I made the options trades before any of the merger announcements on the basis of the existing AMC description on both exchanges and previous statements from Ken on this forum. I'm concerned in 2-3 months there won't be anyone to buy my AMC shares or any way to exchange them for VMC shares. I hope I'm not going to get punished for taking Ken at his word.

I don't think that is going to happen, AMC will continue to exist for a long time to come.  Even if the 10M shares where all swapped for VMC shares, AMC still has more to offer and will continue to grow.  The only difference will be that some of the revenue from AMC will flow into VMC.  I think it is a win for AMC and a win for VMC.  

Granted AM will trade higher than AMC, but AMC should do fine as well.
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"There are plenty of shares left as of this writing.  You can purchase the shares on bitfunder.com asset ActiveMining or you can purchase AMC shares on bitfunder and tender them or you can purchase AMC-PT on BTC-TC and tender them."

Got it, thanks. I see that share price is considerably cheaper on BitFunder, maybe i should move funds there (and to diversify) instead of BTCT. Just one more newbie question - at the registration page on BitFunder there is a request to input BTC address. "(Note: This address will be posted in public view, with a listing of shares per asset. This will ensure your anonymity, while being able to prove identity, and holdings.)
This address will not, and can not be used to withdraw to."

Is this an address i can get in my Bitcoin wallet or where should i get/generate this address? Yeah, newbie...

You can use your usual wallet's address. As far as I know it's only used for identifying you as the shareholder (most wallets allow you to sign messages which proves that you are the owner of this adress). When you click on the asset list button on the top of Bitfunder you can see where the address will later be displayed.
sr. member
Activity: 266
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The Assman: CEO of Vandelay Import/Export, Inc.
I have options that I've purchased that I've been waiting to execute for AMC shares - how are those affected now with this new merger?

How long will trading be an option on the old AMC shares (as opposed to the new ActiveMining)? I assume as long as we can trade them, we can execute options on them.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
"There are plenty of shares left as of this writing.  You can purchase the shares on bitfunder.com asset ActiveMining or you can purchase AMC shares on bitfunder and tender them or you can purchase AMC-PT on BTC-TC and tender them."

Got it, thanks. I see that share price is considerably cheaper on BitFunder, maybe i should move funds there (and to diversify) instead of BTCT. Just one more newbie question - at the registration page on BitFunder there is a request to input BTC address. "(Note: This address will be posted in public view, with a listing of shares per asset. This will ensure your anonymity, while being able to prove identity, and holdings.)
This address will not, and can not be used to withdraw to."

Is this an address i can get in my Bitcoin wallet or where should i get/generate this address? Yeah, newbie...
You just want to use an address that you have control of, ie the private key for. It could be in your wallet, or generated in a paper wallet, or whatever.

If you use bitcoin-qt go to your recieve coins tab and generate a new address, use that.
member
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"There are plenty of shares left as of this writing.  You can purchase the shares on bitfunder.com asset ActiveMining or you can purchase AMC shares on bitfunder and tender them or you can purchase AMC-PT on BTC-TC and tender them."

Got it, thanks. I see that share price is considerably cheaper on BitFunder, maybe i should move funds there (and to diversify) instead of BTCT. Just one more newbie question - at the registration page on BitFunder there is a request to input BTC address. "(Note: This address will be posted in public view, with a listing of shares per asset. This will ensure your anonymity, while being able to prove identity, and holdings.)
This address will not, and can not be used to withdraw to."

Is this an address i can get in my Bitcoin wallet or where should i get/generate this address? Yeah, newbie...
You just want to use an address that you have control of, ie the private key for. It could be in your wallet, or generated in a paper wallet, or whatever.
hero member
Activity: 574
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1.21 GIGA WATTS
Ok this is probably a stupid question, but i missed the answer:

Have the total of 10.000.000 shares been sold yet? In other words, if i want to get on the "first-shareholders protection" (paid 0.0025BTC/per share), can I still buy these (i would buy AMC-PT) or not?

There are plenty of shares left as of this writing.  You can purchase the shares on bitfunder.com asset ActiveMining or you can purchase AMC shares on bitfunder and tender them or you can purchase AMC-PT on BTC-TC and tender them.
probably another stupid question, again
but what's the difference if purchasing shares as you've mentioned above? (ActiveMining or AMC and tendering) and/or AMC-PT and tendering. Any advantages with any? and obviously which is less work for you Ken  Wink
sr. member
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Ok this is probably a stupid question, but i missed the answer:

Have the total of 10.000.000 shares been sold yet? In other words, if i want to get on the "first-shareholders protection" (paid 0.0025BTC/per share), can I still buy these (i would buy AMC-PT) or not?

There are plenty of shares left as of this writing.  You can purchase the shares on bitfunder.com asset ActiveMining or you can purchase AMC shares on bitfunder and tender them or you can purchase AMC-PT on BTC-TC and tender them.
Vbs
hero member
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https://bitfunder.com/asset/ActiveMining

As I said, it happening already. As soon as AM shares are in peoples hands - they will sell and undercut the 2mil+ wall of shares at .0025

Now, the price will simply start drifting down as people cut in front of each other to sell ... boom, price will be the same as AMC.

Price will never increase so long as the wall is there.

So people hoping to buy AMC shares now, and convert to AM for a profit - will fail. The price on both AMC and AM will be the same. So no point in trying to buy AMC cheap, and profit on AM - price points will be the same

I agree your points are valid, but you may be underestimating the impact of a perceived value increase in AM regarding the increased ownership in VMC and all dividends up to 0.0025. So, we may just see a fair slice come out of the wall as new investors join up with Active Miner.

Personally, I am holding long.

Yes, unfortunately this works just like a panic situation where people crush each other just to get out of somewhere, while if they did it more or less orderly everyone would escape.

On this case, the more shares from the wall are sold, the more valuable is the company as a whole and more each share is worth, so the undercutters deprive everyone of that bonus until all their shares are sold, even if they are pricing them just one satoshi less.

This is why on a properly implemented exchange there are both a primary and secondary markets. Having only a secondary market is a mess. A primary market means there is always a way to buy shares from the issuer itself.

So many complains about existing exchanges but this one major flaw gets overlooked a lot. The only exchange that has this properly implemented is Havelock.
full member
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Yeah but will they be converted automatically or do I have to do something?

Ah sorry I misinterpreted the question.
You have to send the shares to ken, and then send an email.
Details here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2685508
hero member
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Yeah but will they be converted automatically or do I have to do something?
full member
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I saw this on bt.tc

Shareholders-by tendering their shares-will be able to increase their ownership in the new company from 10% in AMC to 40% in ActiveMining.  This increase in ownership should increase the dividends proportionally.  Also, there is a guarantee in place which guarantees shareholders 100% of the dividends until .0025 BTC in dividends has been paid before the remaining 15,000,000 million shares receive any dividends.

Ok. How do I tender my shares to increase my holding?

Thanks.

There were 100,000,000 shares of AMC and there are 25,000,000 shares of AM, so each share is 4x more of the company.
hero member
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I saw this on bt.tc

Shareholders-by tendering their shares-will be able to increase their ownership in the new company from 10% in AMC to 40% in ActiveMining.  This increase in ownership should increase the dividends proportionally.  Also, there is a guarantee in place which guarantees shareholders 100% of the dividends until .0025 BTC in dividends has been paid before the remaining 15,000,000 million shares receive any dividends.

Ok. How do I tender my shares to increase my holding?

Thanks.
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