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Topic: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract - page 101. (Read 304259 times)

legendary
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January 06, 2015, 08:16:56 AM
It´s complex, several factors to take into account.

And bloody constant and chronic uncertainty that is a major

I think its actually quite easy; there is always someone who overpays compared to expected divs/mining revenue, because he cant do the math or doesnt understand the dynamics of this market, be it for hardware or cloud mining. Look no further than cex.io pricing to see my point. THat means hardware and contracts will pretty much always be overpriced. And even if they werent, so many would be sold that difficulty would catch up with it again until it becomes overpriced.

You can gamble you can gain a bit flipping shares, but long term anything based on mining is a loser.
hero member
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January 06, 2015, 08:07:42 AM
Fair rate to calculate very easily - day dividends multiply by 100  Wink

even 100 is too much IMO. If for simplicity sake we assume divs will go down linearly, then your math would mean divs halt in 200 days - just to break even, and more than that for any profit. In reality this is likely much sooner considering 0.1-0.2W/GH hardware that will come online in Q1.

Moreover, even if difficuly goes up linearly, divs go down faster than that because of the fixed fees.

Yeah, at this point preservation of capital is a more important concern

than return on investment if you want to play this mining game.
hero member
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January 06, 2015, 08:04:39 AM
It´s complex, several factors to take into account.

And bloody constant and chronic uncertainty that is a major

factor in this scam ridden and volatile and unregulated marketplace.

That´s the absolutely worst poison in any market uncertainty is..

Bad news you can take for pretty long because they eventually turn good again.
legendary
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January 06, 2015, 08:00:34 AM
Fair rate to calculate very easily - day dividends multiply by 100  Wink

even 100 is too much IMO. If for simplicity sake we assume divs will go down linearly, then your math would mean divs halt in 200 days - just to break even, and more than that for any profit. In reality this is likely much sooner considering 0.1-0.2W/GH hardware that will come online in Q1.

Moreover, even if difficuly goes up linearly, divs go down faster than that because of the fixed fees.
sr. member
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January 06, 2015, 07:52:07 AM
Fair rate to calculate very easily - day dividends multiply by 100  Wink

Don't scare me please, that would mean drop to .005 in 6 days: http://nextdifficulty.com

How about multiplying by 150?  Wink
hero member
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January 06, 2015, 07:45:07 AM
Fair rate to calculate very easily - day dividends multiply by 100  Wink
hero member
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January 06, 2015, 07:28:02 AM
Some pullback there on the chart. Promising.
hero member
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January 05, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
Since by their very nature markets try to be ahead of the curve

my main concern at the moment is what the yield will amount to

in six days when this whopper hits



and whether BTC will move noticeably up or down. Or languish sideways.

Right now I´m anticipating yield of ca. .00000550 and will bid .00075000 tops.

Well, maybe 80000 if BTC shows signs of life or that diff. bubble corrects.

In the unlikely even that both coincide, maybe a bit higher.

Not selling now although my average is pretty low, betting that the yield won´t go

much lower this month at least. But if the market decides to rally, that may change.
hero member
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January 05, 2015, 07:51:44 PM
all i know is i see the price of the amhash shares going down and down. For a moment there i thought it would always or atleast for a longer time be near the initial ipo price but noy was i wrong  Undecided

Well, the price of the shares has to adjust to the tanking yield.



If you want to see the price go up we need the price of btc to go up which in turn will allow payouts to increase.

Of course.
legendary
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January 05, 2015, 07:48:58 PM
all i know is i see the price of the amhash shares going down and down. For a moment there i thought it would always or atleast for a longer time be near the initial ipo price but noy was i wrong  Undecided

Well, the price of the shares has to adjust to the tanking yield.



If you want to see the price go up we need the price of btc to go up which in turn will allow payouts to increase.
legendary
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January 05, 2015, 07:47:48 PM
all i know is i see the price of the amhash shares going down and down. For a moment there i thought it would always or atleast for a longer time be near the initial ipo price but noy was i wrong  Undecided

natural cause an effect due to current conditions and possible other cheaper offerings, i have heard mention but i have no real idea?


unless you have your whole life savings invested into amhash i would just ride out the storm or try some trading with a portion of your holdings.
hero member
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January 05, 2015, 07:45:22 PM
all i know is i see the price of the amhash shares going down and down. For a moment there i thought it would always or atleast for a longer time be near the initial ipo price but noy was i wrong  Undecided

Well, the price of the shares has to adjust to the tanking yield.

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January 05, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
all i know is i see the price of the amhash shares going down and down. For a moment there i thought it would always or atleast for a longer time be near the initial ipo price but noy was i wrong  Undecided
legendary
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January 05, 2015, 06:45:03 PM
the 40% can wait until the AM300, do a KnC an try and double the difficulty in 10 days
hero member
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January 05, 2015, 06:43:22 PM
BTW, could someone make a Hitler ruined by cloud mining

rant clip for YT ? captiongenerator.com

It should feature all major mining players of course.
legendary
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January 05, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
bring on a 40% increase, price out that rusty 6 month old hardware   Kiss

I hope not, AM probably still have a fair amount of BE200 chips to sell.
hero member
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January 05, 2015, 06:38:00 PM
I can´t believe that there´ll be a friggin 15% diff increase.

Surely they´ll turn a good chunk off just before the adjustment, right ?

nah its all pretty much nicely set and ready to explode simultaneously.

bring on a 40% increase, price out that rusty 6 month old hardware   Kiss

According to that chart above there seem to have been substantial

corrections during the period between adjustments.
legendary
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January 05, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
I can´t believe that there´ll be a friggin 15% diff increase.

Surely they´ll turn a good chunk off just before the adjustment, right ?

nah its all pretty much nicely set and ready to explode simultaneously.

bring on a 40% increase, price out that rusty 6 month old hardware   Kiss
legendary
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January 05, 2015, 06:23:22 PM
I can´t believe that there´ll be a friggin 15% diff increase.

Surely they´ll turn a good chunk off just before the adjustment, right ?

nah its all pretty much nicely set and ready to explode simultaneously.
hero member
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January 05, 2015, 06:01:45 PM
I can´t believe that there´ll be a friggin 15% diff increase.

Surely they´ll turn a good chunk off just before the adjustment, right ?
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