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staff
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June 04, 2021, 08:16:13 AM
#29
I'd like to see some quality of life features added onto the existing merit system, such as a button to potentially alert merit sources on a post being good. This could potentially be abused, but maybe it should be restricted somewhat to certain ranks or a limit per day etc.

A like system would probably be okay, I don't see any major drawbacks, and maybe as a result of having a like button we will see less users giving merit because they agree with a post. Since, in my opinion a like system is completely different to the current merit system, which sometimes gets treated as the same by certain users.

What about "dislike"? I mean, if you want to have "like", why not to have dislike too, seeing so much bs being written all over the place. I know that de-meriting was proposed too, but that would probably be too drastic, but dislike would be nice addition, especially if post that gets enough dislikes get hidden, so something similar to reddit.
I feel like this would just create unnecessary feuds, which don't get me wrong we have already, but would be exaggerated with something as simple as a dislike button. Right now, to show that you disagree with something, you actually have to come up with a decent counter argument on why you disagree with them, a dislike button means it'll be abused to attack certain users. Of course, it doesn't really mean anything, but to the person posting it might. A like button, being only positive, and doesn't actually have any bearing on the post means its mostly for fluff, but doesn't really do any harm either way.   
legendary
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June 03, 2021, 03:56:54 PM
#28
Alternative for giving someone merit that you don't is very simple, just write a post saying that you agree and like specific post or you don't like it.
I don't want to see any additional like or dislike buttons that can all be abused with multiple accounts.
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June 03, 2021, 02:05:19 PM
#27
@lovesmayfamilis, I am trying to understand how the forum works, I didn't even know I was merited, not until I saw the post and checked my profile. I promise I'll learn.
@Quickteller I am definitely going to work harder.  I have learnt to report good post for it to be merited. I also learn to copy down the post link in a notepad pending when I have sendable merit.  Thank you all, I am grateful.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 5937
June 03, 2021, 09:57:11 AM
#26

This proposed "like" might likely not be used by admins, or neither shall it determine ranking, but it should just be a mere appreciation for a quality post when merit is lacking.
What about "dislike"? I mean, if you want to have "like", why not to have dislike too, seeing so much bs being written all over the place. I know that de-meriting was proposed too, but that would probably be too drastic, but dislike would be nice addition, especially if post that gets enough dislikes get hidden, so something similar to reddit.
hero member
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June 03, 2021, 08:33:21 AM
#25
Reddit and Quora have "upvote" buttons, which are similar to Twitter's and Facebook's "like". But, bitcointalk can have a simple "Thank you", just as many other forums already do.
Unlike merits, thankyous don't need to have any effect other than to acknowledge posts that are helpful, interesting, humorous, or otherwise catch your attention. In this case, I don't see any conflict with the existing merit system.


Actually they're a nice complement to one another but then we'll have purists saying it taints the whole Merit system as a whole Wink
legendary
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June 03, 2021, 08:09:10 AM
#24
...Adding something fun and positive without any negative association seems needed on this forum, even if it is functionally worthless.  

...It would be really nice to have something that will inspire people and motivate them to act positively on this forum and that's why I like the idea of OP and I support it.

I think both of you make valid points here. Even if the functionality is worthless, as OgNasty pointed out, it could contribute to a positive impact on the forum and spark new interest among young members.

Reddit and Quora have "upvote" buttons, which are similar to Twitter's and Facebook's "like". But, bitcointalk can have a simple "Thank you", just as many other forums already do.
Unlike merits, thankyous don't need to have any effect other than to acknowledge posts that are helpful, interesting, humorous, or otherwise catch your attention. In this case, I don't see any conflict with the existing merit system.
legendary
Activity: 3374
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June 03, 2021, 05:50:08 AM
#23
I think adding more positive things to this forum is needed.  So much time and effort is spent by members of this community on negative added value items like trust flags and negative feedback.  It would be nice to see members as proud of how much positivity they've spread or how many members they've been able to help.  Merit seemed at first like it would be a decent addition, but it's been mostly hijacked by merit circles seeking to control who gets to be in DT.  Adding something fun and positive without any negative association seems needed on this forum, even if it is functionally worthless. 

I agree with you.
Sometimes it’s hard for me to watch all these ugly arguments and conflicts on the forum and it would be nice to see something that would have a positive effect on the forum.
Sometimes it seems that everything designed to improve this forum and its quality, as a DT system and merits, has already been abused many times and people are arguing too much about it.
It would be really nice to have something that will inspire people and motivate them to act positively on this forum and that's why I like the idea of OP and I support it.
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June 03, 2021, 02:44:17 AM
#22
As a newbie,
I gave you enough merit for you to get promoted to a junior member.

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Atleast if I don't have merit to give, I will just click like and move on pending when I'll have merit to award the user.
Some kind of waitlist for posts that deserve merit would be nice. There is a thread that you can report good posts that deserve merit that is monitored by many merit sources. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/self-moderated-report-unmerited-good-posts-to-merit-source-5093271

Jr Member? He's reached the Member status Grin


If you use Facebook or Twitter, do you think liked status or loved tweets are actually good ones, in quality?

Hardly. One simple word from an influencer and all the simps will like/ RT.
hero member
Activity: 1442
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June 02, 2021, 10:51:02 PM
#21
As a newbie, I read many posts that has quality. After reading the posts I'll feel like to merit the post, but as a newbie, I might not have a sendable merit, I will have no option than to slide on.
Sendable merits will be sent to good posts but the fact is not all good posts will receive smerit and not all merited posts are good posts.

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Assuming there is an alternative to merit just like "Facebook like" along side merit, it would favour me.
Some members use their sendable merit as Like and the forum does not need official Like button. Bitcointalk Like button, I don't support this idea.

If you had searched, you would have found many similar topics.
Merits = Likes, the new standard?

If you use Facebook or Twitter, do you think liked status or loved tweets are actually good ones, in quality?
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
June 02, 2021, 09:58:13 PM
#20
As a newbie,
I gave you enough merit for you to get promoted to a junior member.

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Atleast if I don't have merit to give, I will just click like and move on pending when I'll have merit to award the user.
Some kind of waitlist for posts that deserve merit would be nice. There is a thread that you can report good posts that deserve merit that is monitored by many merit sources. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/self-moderated-report-unmerited-good-posts-to-merit-source-5093271
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June 02, 2021, 09:29:46 PM
#19
For me I usually just bookmark threads in here that are supposed to be liked, like I would also be able to use it as a future reference in case someone asked a question related to those I bookmarked.
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Well, I have used the Watchlist feature here in the forum and I'm quite happy with it. All the important and interesting threads that I would find that possibly would be helpful to me and to other people, I put it there. I'm just not using it as a keeper for threads that I'm probably not going to use. Bookmarking is easier for sure but I don't want to increase the number of bookmarks folders in my system though.
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June 02, 2021, 05:16:09 PM
#18
I think adding more positive things to this forum is needed.  So much time and effort is spent by members of this community on negative added value items like trust flags and negative feedback.  It would be nice to see members as proud of how much positivity they've spread or how many members they've been able to help.  Merit seemed at first like it would be a decent addition, but it's been mostly hijacked by merit circles seeking to control who gets to be in DT.  Adding something fun and positive without any negative association seems needed on this forum, even if it is functionally worthless. 
sr. member
Activity: 1610
Merit: 264
June 02, 2021, 02:49:55 PM
#17
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For me I usually just bookmark threads in here that are supposed to be liked, like I would also be able to use it as a future reference in case someone asked a question related to those I bookmarked.
Chrome's enough for me to save few clicks. Cheesy
legendary
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Merit: 2248
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June 02, 2021, 02:42:43 PM
#16
We don't know that. Since the new forum software is still being developed, it is difficult to say what features it will have or won't have.
As every platform changes over time, so will bitcointalk. If enough people show an interest, the administration might take that into consideration.
I briefly forgot about the new forum software, and if I remember correctly, a thank option was suggested as a new feature in it, although the completion of the new forum has been long delayed, lots of users have stopped waiting for it.

I don't know why everyone compares the forum to Facebook.
The Upvote/Downvote feature on Reddit is a very useful tool. It is unlikely that the platform would be as popular as it is today without it.
There's no comparison to Facebook, just that a like and dislike option would have little practical use besides popularity if everyone is allowed to give it out freely. Upvote and downvote may work on Reddit, but this forum already has a quality grading system - the merit system. Adding another layer to it is somewhat superfluous, imo.
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June 02, 2021, 10:05:46 AM
#15
If you really think a post is worthy enough to be merited, create a sticky note and paste the links there. That's what I do if I don't have any more merit to send and then once I received enough merit again, I will go back to the topic and then merit the deserving post.

You could do that or follow DireWolfM14 and send the links to the topic he included.
legendary
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Merit: 1492
June 02, 2021, 10:00:28 AM
#14
What is the purpose of your like for others? Specially if you say you will "like and move on". How it will be useful for others or you want it only to be visible for you? If there will be like button, there must be a dislike button also. I think that will simply make post look bulky. If you really like someone post - I don't know, copy/paste that in a notepad so you can re-read it once again or save as a bookmark. Or send a virtual smile to the screen or simply nod.
legendary
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June 02, 2021, 09:53:58 AM
#13
You talk about posts that you liked and that you would like to celebrate, but despite this, only one merit has been sent from you, although you still have 2.  Isn't it strange? What are these likes for? On the forum, so, many go crazy about how difficult it is for them to get merits, now there will be a second madness for earning likes or dislikes? The forum is self-sufficient to parody any social networks.
legendary
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June 02, 2021, 02:26:04 AM
#12
Ive understand you OP. The urge to express our feeling over something we like is strong...
Very well said here, the feeling is strong, atimes I become emotional about it. Maybe I will overcome it in due time. Atimes I feel like I have committed a crime for not appreciating a very good post that is helpful to me.

Theymos can implement it as trial since many already requested the featuee and just remove it if turns out to be funny in the end.
Yes, I strongly agree with you, there is no harm in trying.
legendary
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June 02, 2021, 02:19:16 AM
#11
This topic has been discussed extensively on the forum and the admins have taken no action, so it's safe to say, it is not being considered;

We don't know that. Since the new forum software is still being developed, it is difficult to say what features it will have or won't have.
As every platform changes over time, so will bitcointalk. If enough people show an interest, the administration might take that into consideration.

• Like buttons on social media are mostly useless and just a popularity contest, there's no need to replicate that here.

I don't know why everyone compares the forum to Facebook.
The Upvote/Downvote feature on Reddit is a very useful tool. It is unlikely that the platform would be as popular as it is today without it.
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June 02, 2021, 01:45:51 AM
#10
This is a forum, considering it would not be right like social media. I understand what you mean, but it's not necessarily that everyone has to give merit in just one post. You can also appreciate that post by replying to that post. It is a misconception to judge content by the number of likes on social media.

And if the like button is implement on Bitcointalk like Facebook, then it will work differently than intended. Because we see how the like system of Facebook is working, many useless things are also getting a lot of likes on Facebook. So considering Bitcointalk as a social media and introducing the Like button can lead to misunderstandings when using this option. I'm not against the like button, theymos can implement it experimentally if he want.
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