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Coinbase and blockchain alliance (including its member Gavin) will take over the mantle (or at least try to).



Bitpay has the marketshare on blacklisting.

Yeah they are another card carrying member of blockchain alliance. They are not as determined in the takeover attempt as coinbase is tho.


What will the blockchain alliance try to force onto the network once they have control? Shudder at the thought. These companies business model is based on being in the favour of regulators and government.
legendary
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Coinbase and blockchain alliance (including its member Gavin) will take over the mantle (or at least try to).



Bitpay has the marketshare on blacklisting.
sr. member
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Coinbase and blockchain alliance (including its member Gavin) will take over the mantle (or at least try to).

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
legendary
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Quote from: Bergmann_Christoph
The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.
And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.
Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.
We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. This is why in the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of Federation it does state this explicitly.

Quote from: Articles of Federation
The voices of scientists, scholars, developers, entrepreneurs, investors and users should all be heard and respected.
Articles of Federation hard fork coming up to add jstolfi and TPTB_need_war
Bitcoin Unlimited is fully compatible with any changes that are introduced through Bitcoin Classic. I fully support Bitcoin Classic and I am very pleased we are finally reaching a super majority on this issue, the original vision of Satoshi triumphs. Smiley

Finally!   That's why it took six years, Satoshi neglected to write Articles of Federation.
hero member
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Quote from: Bergmann_Christoph
The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.
And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.
Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.
We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. This is why in the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of Federation it does state this explicitly.

Quote from: Articles of Federation
The voices of scientists, scholars, developers, entrepreneurs, investors and users should all be heard and respected.
Articles of Federation hard fork coming up to add jstolfi and TPTB_need_war
Bitcoin Unlimited is fully compatible with any changes that are introduced through Bitcoin Classic. I fully support Bitcoin Classic and I am very pleased we are finally reaching a super majority on this issue, the original vision of Satoshi triumphs. Smiley
legendary
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Quote from: Bergmann_Christoph
The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.
And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.
Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.
We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. This is why in the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of Federation it does state this explicitly.

Quote from: Articles of Federation
The voices of scientists, scholars, developers, entrepreneurs, investors and users should all be heard and respected.


Articles of Federation hard fork coming up to add jstolfi and TPTB_need_war
hero member
Activity: 546
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Quote from: Bergmann_Christoph
The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.
And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.
Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.
We need both IT experts, economists and political thinkers in order to fully understand and decide the paths we choose to take. Bitcoin requires a multidisciplinary approach in order to gain a better and wider understanding of its mechanisms and effects. Not everything in Bitcoin can be understood from an engineering perspective, economic arguments and issues have been highly prevalent in the blocksize debate for instance. This is why the Bitcoin Unlimited Articles of federation states this explicitly.

Quote from: Articles of Federation
The voices of scientists, scholars, developers, entrepreneurs, investors and users should all be heard and respected.
legendary
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Quote from: Bergmann_Christoph
The truth may be more simple: the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.
And yes, this is a takeover. Core forgot that bitcoin is not just development, but also economy and politic. They ignored the needs of the economy, and the politics of consensus. It's not fair to only blame big blockers when we slide into a contentious hardfork.Maybe their way can be considered technical better - but politically it was not the safest and secure, but the most dangerous way: the way that increased the risk of a contentious hardfork.
Is the economy supposed to decide on the technicalities of the system? Are we going to let people who major in economics and politics make the most important decisions that people with an IT degree need to be making? If so, then I might as well tear apart my 'degree'.
When did companies become laboratory-mices for developers to publicly proove a thesis?
At least it was bad style from Todd, especially so short after coinbase said they support lightning and bitcoin.org relistet them. And if I remember correctly, on top of this Todd released a python-script how to do
Everyone overreacted. It was 10$ (I think, not sure) and he offered to give it back. This is not a big deal at all.
Define spam.negl
Who decides what spam is and what usecases to restrict? If you decide now that some kind of transaction are considered as spam and thus prohibited, you act like a regulator. Every node and miner can decide to prohibit spam - and should be allowed to chose his own definition of spam - but we don't need a central regime where a bunch of people decide which transactions are not worth to get in the chain.
IIRC a signature campaign that was paying out daily, that can be considered very spammy and the amount were negligible (that would be an example; who am I to define spam for everyone?).

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Core's policy not to publicly "panic" each time this happens.
Really? That's something I never heard.
If everyone heard about it then the policy would not make much sense now would it?

I remember posts not deleted but moved in altcoin-section. Hiding something in a niche is also some kind of censorship.
So what is moderation then? An abstract action that does not exist anymore?
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista

Theymos has censored this again, moved off to the alt coin wilderness.


I personally think this is good news.  Theymos has obviously seen the light.  He's taken a thread titled and talking about Bitcoin Core, and moved it to the Altcoins board.  Pretty soon he'll have to move all the soon-to-be-defunct Bitcoin Core discussion to Altcoin status.  Although more likely is Deadend Chain Coin status.  RIP.

Classic isn't even released yet and almost 75% is already lined up in support.  It is possible that this thing is over almost as fast as it begins.   And my bet is that almost everyone jumps to the Classic Chain within hours of the 75% trigger.

However, my guess is also that the bitter weasels of Blockstream/Core are frantically coding timebombs to try and wage a scorched earth war.  You can already see how petty they are acting trying to disrupt Classic discussion.  

This is why everyone needs to be ready to Download Classic Nodes as soon as available.  Classic needs to Roll Out like a Crushing Tidalwave to remove ALL Public Doubt that the Bitcoin Community is totally in support of Classic.

No Complacency.  DO not doubt for a second that the Fork will be met with a furious FUD, DDOS, Doublespend Attempt series of attacks.   The second the Classic Download Button goes active - it is All Hands On Deck!   There will be a very short but intense war.

Good spot, I never looked at it that way!!  Cheesy

Way to go Theymos, you are certainly on the ball.
legendary
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Theymos has censored this again, moved off to the alt coin wilderness.


I personally think this is good news.  Theymos has obviously seen the light.  He's taken a thread titled and talking about Bitcoin Core, and moved it to the Altcoins board.  Pretty soon he'll have to move all the soon-to-be-defunct Bitcoin Core discussion to Altcoin status.  Although more likely is Deadend Chain Coin status.  RIP.

Classic isn't even released yet and almost 75% is already lined up in support.  It is possible that this thing is over almost as fast as it begins.   And my bet is that almost everyone jumps to the Classic Chain within hours of the 75% trigger.

However, my guess is also that the bitter weasels of Blockstream/Core are frantically coding timebombs to try and wage a scorched earth war.  You can already see how petty they are acting trying to disrupt Classic discussion.  

This is why everyone needs to be ready to Download Classic Nodes as soon as available.  Classic needs to Roll Out like a Crushing Tidalwave to remove ALL Public Doubt that the Bitcoin Community is totally in support of Classic.

No Complacency.  DO not doubt for a second that the Fork will be met with a furious FUD, DDOS, Doublespend Attempt series of attacks.   The second the Classic Download Button goes active - it is All Hands On Deck!   There will be a very short but intense war.

June at the earliest
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Theymos has censored this again, moved off to the alt coin wilderness.


I personally think this is good news.  Theymos has obviously seen the light.  He's taken a thread titled and talking about Bitcoin Core, and moved it to the Altcoins board.  Pretty soon he'll have to move all the soon-to-be-defunct Bitcoin Core discussion to Altcoin status.  Although more likely is Deadend Chain Coin status.  RIP.

Classic isn't even released yet and almost 75% is already lined up in support.  It is possible that this thing is over almost as fast as it begins.   And my bet is that almost everyone jumps to the Classic Chain within hours of the 75% trigger.

However, my guess is also that the bitter weasels of Blockstream/Core are frantically coding timebombs to try and wage a scorched earth war.  You can already see how petty they are acting trying to disrupt Classic discussion.  

This is why everyone needs to be ready to Download Classic Nodes as soon as available.  Classic needs to Roll Out like a Crushing Tidalwave to remove ALL Public Doubt that the Bitcoin Community is totally in support of Classic.

No Complacency.  DO not doubt for a second that the Fork will be met with a furious FUD, DDOS, Doublespend Attempt series of attacks.   The second the Classic Download Button goes active - it is All Hands On Deck!   There will be a very short but intense war.
hero member
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista

When they realize they are painting the Bikeshed from Hell, we can start laughing as _Classic gets #REKT.   Smiley

Here we go:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330351.new#new

Theymos has censored this again, moved off to the alt coin wilderness.

 But while last week I would have been mildly annoyed, now it seems about as worthwhile as trying to turn back the tide with a spoon.

but best not to start threads like that - they serve no purpose, and just drag you down to the level of brg and miceBreaker
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
This was an execllent thread, but fees a bit like beating a dead horse at this point. This trojan was a failure, next is Bitcoin Classic. I can't wait for the next Classic #REKT thread.

We're all giddy with anticipation for that.

But first, Team _Classic have to implode from irreconcilable differences of opinion with regard to their hard fork's timing/threshold and inclusion/exclusion of controversial features like bandwidth throttling, CLTV, RBF, SegWit, Lightning, sidechains, future increases, etc.

The Tooministas are still enjoying their honeymoon.  Give them a few weeks for the grim realities of software engineering and committee-based decision making to throw a wrench in their gears.

When they realize they are painting the Bikeshed from Hell, we can start laughing as _Classic gets #REKT.   Smiley

So all development work has stopped on Core. How does that make you feel now, miCEBREAKER?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You assholes are too busy trolling Classic forum to fix the god awful mess that you made of rbf!!
Then we have Luke-jesus submitting a PR to change POW.  Is there any depth you mpfags wont sink to?

Your obvious #CORERAGE is giving me wood......     Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue

legendary
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When they realize they are painting the Bikeshed from Hell, we can start laughing as _Classic gets #REKT.   Smiley

Here we go:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1330351.new#new
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
This was an execllent thread, but fees a bit like beating a dead horse at this point. This trojan was a failure, next is Bitcoin Classic. I can't wait for the next Classic #REKT thread.

We're all giddy with anticipation for that.

But first, Team _Classic have to implode from irreconcilable differences of opinion with regard to their hard fork's timing/threshold and inclusion/exclusion of controversial features like bandwidth throttling, CLTV, RBF, SegWit, Lightning, sidechains, future increases, etc.

The Tooministas are still enjoying their honeymoon.  Give them a few weeks for the grim realities of software engineering and committee-based decision making to throw a wrench in their gears.

When they realize they are painting the Bikeshed from Hell, we can start laughing as _Classic gets #REKT.   Smiley
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So a legit proposal equals to him trolling them? Makes sense.

changing POW is a legit proposal? How?  Why?

He submits a PR with a vague title like "Fix mining centralisation"

then lands the bombshell of HOW he wants to do it?

thats a pretty low rent effort.

Changing _Classic's POW is an excellent suggestion (which I've also previously made), and not only (or mainly) as a way to prevent/delay a repeat of the current situation where a handful of giant miners can credibly threaten to back contentious hard forks.

If _Classic wanted a clean break from Core, changing POW at the same time as the first (potentially) >1MB _ClassicBlock is the right way to do it.
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by rejecting the entirely logical 'change POW' proposition _Classic has shown their hand.

You're funny. When you'll be out of bitcoin soon, will you look for a job as a court jester?

What if I'd asked the fron national officially, to set taxes to 90% and invite all muslims of the world to live in france, and if the front rejects to discuss this in his official referendum, I call them anti-democratic?

This pow-trolling is ridicoulos and way below luke-jr niveau. That it is even discussed seriously is a proof of the desperation of team small blocks.


btw ... what happened with your grinning? Is your colossal "Schadenfreude" about Mike's departure already gone? Are you afraid to soon have the choice to a) have a bitcoin you never wanted or b) have no bitcoins at all?


_Classic is a politically motivated governance coup, which risks (or arguably entails) catastrophic consensus failure just to satisfy the egos of the Get Thermos Kill Blockstream Emasculate Mircea Destroy Core malcontents.

this is what you and other angry small blocker with a real brain have in common: you blame unilaterally big blockers for the hardfork.

Why don't you see that the economy, the users and the miners, those parties that give bitcoin it's value, have been incredibly patient with core but lost their faith aftter scaling bitcoin II? What do you think would have happened if core had raised the limit to 2 MB? Wouldn't it be more responsible to chose a technically maybe slightly less optimal solution that won't lead into a political desaster?

They have been warned so often, but didn't thought the economy plays a role in decision finding of bitcoins future. So they dared to release a roadmap that said: No blocksize increase for at least 2016.

Now, why do you think supports one economic party after another classic? Because they all know less then you and they are manipulated? It's frustration with core.
legendary
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This was an execllent thread, but fees a bit like beating a dead horse at this point. This trojan was a failure, next is Bitcoin Classic. I can't wait for the next Classic #REKT thread.
hero member
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
So a legit proposal equals to him trolling them? Makes sense.

changing POW is a legit proposal? How?  Why?

He submits a PR with a vague title like "Fix mining centralisation"

then lands the bombshell of HOW he wants to do it?

thats a pretty low rent effort.

Changing _Classic's ... [garbage]

_Classic is a politically motivated governance coup, which risks (or arguably entails) catastrophic consensus failure just to satisfy the egos of the Get Thermos Kill Blockstream Emasculate Mircea Destroy Core malcontents.

We still need to do this? Why wasn't I cc'ed on that memo?  Wink

Your POW bluff is just so shit. I think evenings spent frapping to nude 'shopped photos of Marine Le Penn has dulled your brain.


pro-tip: get real ones of her Mom - now they are hot!!   Tongue
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