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Topic: Analysis and list of top big blocks shills (XT #REKT ignorers) - page 35. (Read 46564 times)

legendary
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So a legit proposal equals to him trolling them? Makes sense.


changing POW is a legit proposal? How?  Why?

He submits a PR with a vague title like "Fix mining centralisation"

then lands the bombshell of HOW he wants to do it?

thats a pretty low rent effort.

Whether he is trolling or not a Github pull request is the appropriate place to submit finished code ... not consider.it or slack.
He could have at least waited for all the NACk's to come in, but this does set an interesting example how consensus is formed in Classic.

I am not going to whine about censorship , because the Classic maintainers have every right to close that pull request, but lets not lie to ourselves and suggest that Classic is any more democratic than Core .
hero member
Activity: 546
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Warning: Confrmed Gavinista

So a legit proposal equals to him trolling them? Makes sense.


changing POW is a legit proposal? How?  Why?

He submits a PR with a vague title like "Fix mining centralisation"

then lands the bombshell of HOW he wants to do it?

thats a pretty low rent effort.
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
Warning: Confrmed Gavinista
Looks like Classic isn't so "democratic" after all: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/6

ROFL.  That is so fucking classic!   Grin

ToominCoin FTW   Roll Eyes

Is that poutrage? From icebreaker??  Grin

Y U always pick loosing side??   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

sr. member
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many interesting quotes and thought about theymos and the censorship and about the risks of a hard fork.

But also:

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Yes, I think the urgency pushed by larger block proponets plays into a power grab. Right now they are fighting against Core's roadmap that is sufficient to take the pressure off; it also lays the groundwork to solve the rest of the problem in successive stages.

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When dealing with urgent emergencies, one must keep in mind the USA PATRIOT Act, the Reichstag Fire Decree, and Problem-Reaction-Solution in general.

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In other words, they want us to hand Bitcoin over to them.


Quote from: Lauda
Quote from: Bergmann_Christoph
They don't need so much code, they just change blocksize with an xt-like voting to 2MB. And as long as they have the support of major miners they will succeed with it.
if this forces Code to bump to 2 MB it would also be ok. Some people of team big block think we should get rid of core. I don't think so, I believe them to be of a great value for Bitcoin.
If it is easy to code it what are they waiting for then? This is why it is suspicious for me. I could edit the code to 2 MB myself without knowledge of the required languages.


Thank you btcusury, this was an very interesting read. It even made me consider to understand theymos' censorship and ascribe him some kind of heroism.

But yes, what you write is to some kind an eye-opener to understand the small block side.


On the other side you and Lauda seem to fail to understand the other side - the big blockers - and so you built a conspiracy theory about some takeover through "leaders" and "companies" manipulating the markets. The truth may be more simple:

the economy lost faith in core to solve the scalability problem.

Why? From a technical side, core presented a solution (SW) that may be better (I have doubt, but don't want to discuss). But bitcoin is not just technology, it's also economy and politic. It's nothing without exchanges and holders, and a consensus is nothing without a compromise. You seem to recognise this by acknowledging peter_r's grafic. But you don't acknowledge it enough to understand the other side. Maybe this is a result of engineering dominance in core and a lack of understanding of the need of economics and politics.

Try to see it as you were coinbase. The scalability issue is well known for years. In the past it was always said the blocklimit will just be raised. Now we discuss raising it since 1,5 years, and nothing happened by now.

The economy was very patient with core. They never wanted to overthrow them. Economic acteurs usually don't want to make politics, they just want the politics to create and sustain a stable and predictable context. As Jeff Garzik explained, Core's refusal to act is equal to setting this context on risk. Blocks are getting full, we near a point where capacity limit is reached and further growth will be prevented. In business, you usually solve capacity problems long before they get real.

But still no company supportet xt, they all waited for core to act. They didn't want their business environment be damaged by a contentious hardfork.

All hope was that the second scaling conference would be a coup de liberation.

As a technologist you could say: yes, it was a coup de liberation, we have SW (there are reasons to discusss this, but here I don't mind). As a politician seeking consensus through compromise, you can only say, it's a disaster.

Why? Because the roadmap explicitely says: "No blocksize increase at least for 2016." After all the discussion, core can't even comprimise to say: "Ok, we confess to a blocksize increase as soon as possible, but please let us first implement iblt and thin blocks and solve the problem with 2MB-transactions." Huh? There is zero compromise in matter of blocksize. Zero.

More reasons for the economy to loose faith in core:
- luke-jr prefers to lower the blocklimit
- peter todd doublespending coinbase
- core implementing rbf against massive complaint of the community (even with opt-in there are significant problems for not-updated wallet which I don't want to explain here)
- core wants a fee markets to raise = technicians deciding about politics which exceeds their competence and happens with a complete lack of rulesets for the decision = no predictability, no stability
- core denies to some part that there even is a problem with reaching capacity limit ("it's just spam" / "so fees have to raise"), while such an event will significantly limit the growth of nearly all bitcoin companies and make it impossible for many to even get ever profitable
- core defines to some part "legit" and "spammy" transactions thus overstretching their competence
- the defenders of core's decision act "strange" (ddos, censorship)

Do you really need a conspiracious takeover to understand why businesses support classic en mass?
legendary
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As Theymos said "Bitcoin Classic...is poised to be the greatest cryptocurrency since Bitcoin XT."
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Yes, you bootlickers of the totalitarians are never able to say better things than such stupidities. You charlatans even can't spell the name of those you are 'criticizing'.
legendary
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Terminated.
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Let's not forget that the idea came from gmaxwell and you essentially stole it. These actions I can not support.

Making exampleTM?!  Roll Eyes

I know by fact that the current bitcoin protocol by which I abided and invested was the one not allowing on chain mass adoption scaling coffee tipping bullshit whilst staying in the reach of low technology hardware so everybody got their access to it.

So sorry I am not AWS/USG/BITPAY/SPV/COINBASE/WALLSTREET PUSSY MUNCHER.
Yes, an example with random numbers pulled out of nowhere. Those numbers were not there to be taken as a serious proposal. The current protocol does not even allow enough transactions in order to become a settlement layer. It is not about coffee, it is about everyday spending.

Luke Jr. jumped ship too?

Edit: Oh I see. You all are trolling eachother. How very drole. Embarrassed
So a legit proposal equals to him trolling them? Makes sense.

Over 50% Mining behind Classic now, Its not looking good for Core.
It's easy getting people to support glittering generalities and project their desires onto nebulous, feel-good project pitches.
If a single website and manipulation is all it takes for people to switch over to people like Toomin, then the whole system is a joke and who am I to try to stop it?

As Theymos said "Bitcoin Classic...is poised to be the greatest cryptocurrency since Bitcoin XT."
Couldn't have said it better myself. It is like poison.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1004
But hey, if you bitches prefer it by Peter Rizun coding shit, go for the fucking it.
Good riddance! The sooner the better noobs.

How's your day going hdbuck? Seems that they're coming at you from all sides... Power Rangers want segwit signature separation for old nodes... Classic has endorsement from 50% of the hashrate... eek.

Core now officially #REKT; and the Front National/moronero trolls hyperventilating ...
legendary
Activity: 1260
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But hey, if you bitches prefer it by Peter Rizun coding shit, go for the fucking it.

Prof. Rizen maintains Classic's Powerpoint repository.

He can code slides shows like nobody else.  You are obviously jealous of his presentation development skillz.

The world was perfectly happy with the reference repository until Blockstream started buying up the most talented, obstinate Core devs.

Listen to reason already!
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
But hey, if you bitches prefer it by Peter Rizun coding shit, go for the fucking it.

Prof. Rizen maintains Classic's Powerpoint repository.

He can code slide shows like nobody else.  You are obviously jealous of his presentation development skillz.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Looks like Classic isn't so "democratic" after all: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/6

ROFL.  That is so fucking classic!   Grin

ToominCoin FTW   Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
Looks like Classic isn't so "democratic" after all: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/6

Luke Jr. jumped ship too?

Edit: Oh I see. You all are trolling eachother. How very drole. Embarrassed
sr. member
Activity: 392
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The ol' proverbial hockey stick?
administrator
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Looks like Classic isn't so "democratic" after all: https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic/pull/6
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Over 50% Mining behind Classic now, Its not looking good for Core.

It's easy getting people to support glittering generalities and project their desires onto nebulous, feel-good project pitches.

Actual software engineering is much harder, especially when done by a committee of competing companies and ideological frenemies.

Did you see what happened when Gavinista idealism met reality, as they tried to design Unlimited?

It was an epic fail.  Even Frap.doc's tiny group at bitco.in couldn't find a Schelling point and decide on exactly WTF they were doing.

The wheels came off as the dev lost patience with the endless dithering over whether or not Unlimited would really be literally unlimited.

Recursive nested loops of bikeshedding slowed progress to a halt, then reversed it.

Most hilariously of all, Frap.doc reverted to his ugly attack dog persona and the mod deleted (sensor shipped) his shit posts.


With more cooks in the kitchen, the same fate awaits _Classic as its proponents, while temporarily united with their anti-Core Do Something Now feelings, will be unable to agree on

-RBF (full or FSS or neither?)

-CLTV? (enables Evil Sidechains and Scary Lightning and tainted by The Todd)

-SegWit (if Blockstream is for it, should _Classic be against it?)

-timing (2MB Right Fucking Now or at the halving or Huh)

-trigger (OrganOfCorti showed 75% is the worst possible threshold...or did he???)

-algorithm (after 2MB, when/how is the move to 4MB?  Sudden or smooth?  And after that?  Repeat all of the above?)


As Theymos said "Bitcoin Classic...is poised to be the greatest cryptocurrency since Bitcoin XT."

Welcome to the Bikeshed from Hell, bitch!   Cool
sr. member
Activity: 392
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But hey, if you bitches prefer it by Peter Rizun coding shit, go for the fucking it.
Good riddance! The sooner the better noobs.

How's your day going hdbuck? Seems that they're coming at you from all sides... Power Rangers want segwit signature separation for old nodes... Classic has endorsement from 50% of the hashrate... eek.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
But hey, if you bitches prefer it by Peter Rizun coding shit, go for the fucking it.

Good riddance!

The sooner the better noobs.
legendary
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Merit: 1002
Pro tip: read yourself twice before posting such contradictory hypothetical nonsense.

PS: Moore is dead.
You're the one who fails to understand basic concepts. I never said that we should increase blocksize to X in X amount of time, I was making an example. I said that it is possible that the network can safely take a much bigger block size in the future. We would only know this by running tests at said time; only after those tests are successful would we increase the block size. This is not contradictory nor nonsense. Either get a degree in IT or stop posting false information related to what the network can take and what it can not.

Making exampleTM?!  Roll Eyes

I know by fact that the current bitcoin protocol by which I abided and invested was the one not allowing on chain mass adoption scaling coffee tipping bullshit whilst staying in the reach of low technology hardware so everybody got their access to it.

So sorry I am not AWS/USG/BITPAY/SPV/COINBASE/WALLSTREET PUSSY MUNCHER.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1002
Bitcoin is not meant to scale on the protocol level because it will foster centralization and introduce attack vectors.
Don't you think then, if that really is the case, that Bitcoin has failed?

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Poeple got brainwashed by the antonopoulos socialist propaganda that bitcoin will save the world and other gavineries populist nonsense.
That's an interesting perception. Do you feel that the world isn't in need of "saving"?

The reason he doesn't want the system to scale on the protocol level is because he wants that level to be the elitist and privileged level.  The clear message to everyone else is "GTFO my chain, peasants" and to hell with the rest of the world.  Force everyone else onto a less secure and more centralised level. He's been quite clear about his true goals in all this.  I personally don't see Bitcoin as a get-rich-quick scheme.  I think when the legacy economic system does inevitably collapse into some gaping debt vortex, Bitcoin shouldn't just be there to create a new 1% to replace the old one.  Obviously it can't help everyone, but I'd like to see it benefit more than just a few lucky people who got in early.  If that makes me a filthy socialist then so be it.  



Fuck you the bolded part is exactly what i am against. You poor scumbag are irrelevant to saving whatsoever in the damn world and I do not give a shit about your opinion.

Raising the bocksize will only lead to a more centralised fedcoin. Ergo Hearn R3CEV banking shit.

Bitcoin as a get-rich-quick scheme?!

FUCK YOU AGAIN I GOT ALL MY TIME FOR YOU NOOBS GETTING OUT OF BITCOIN, EVEN IF IT HAS TO DROP BACK <10$.
sr. member
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Mile Hearn is the most influential XT shill. He is supporting big block size increase. Due to his giving up bitcoin, it caused the price crash 20% in one day. You guys are against big block shills, what is the matter of their opinion? why do you dump bitcoin?
legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
Bitcoin is not meant to scale on the protocol level because it will foster centralization and introduce attack vectors.
Don't you think then, if that really is the case, that Bitcoin has failed?

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Poeple got brainwashed by the antonopoulos socialist propaganda that bitcoin will save the world and other gavineries populist nonsense.
That's an interesting perception. Do you feel that the world isn't in need of "saving"?

The reason he doesn't want the system to scale on the protocol level is because he wants that level to be the elitist and privileged level.  The clear message to everyone else is "GTFO my chain, peasants" and to hell with the rest of the world.  Force everyone else onto a less secure and more centralised level.  He's been quite clear about his true goals in all this.  I personally don't see Bitcoin as a get-rich-quick scheme.  I think when the legacy economic system does inevitably collapse into some gaping debt vortex, Bitcoin shouldn't just be there to create a new 1% to replace the old one.  Obviously it can't help everyone, but I'd like to see it benefit more than just a few lucky people who got in early.  If that makes me a filthy socialist then so be it.  
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