Topic: ANDREW BITCOINER!! (Read 5499 times)
Yay! Old thread about Andrew stealing money with his blackjack site, and Theymos only addressed a comment about his advertising site, and ignored the bitjack issue, don't even commented.
So I've been unofficially called a cheat and it's been three weeks.
I think he said something along the lines that doubling down was free, or something, which I can assure was not the case for me because I played likely hundreds upon hundreds of hands.
There was a thread in the gambling forum a couple months ago where a person figured out how to split & double down on his hand without putting in any more money, yet still collect the full winnings. That person exploited the bug to run a 5BTC deposit up into the 3 figures. Was that you? This is from memory, so I may have the details wrong.
One has to wonder if the forum moderators here just do not give a shit. They prob think a girl got raped and deserved it for dressing slutty.
I haven't received a reply in a week and he never formally accused me of violating any TOS. Initially he said he had a rash of payouts, then he said there was a bug, then he said we exploited the bug but he will still pay out. I tried to check his TOS the other day and it was 404'd. DOH! in my opinion did violate the TOS, which gave Andrew a reason to jump on the opportunity and not pay out in his case.
My account balance would have still had the BTC in it if I didn't initiate withdrawals.
So I've been unofficially called a cheat and it's been three weeks.
I think he said something along the lines that doubling down was free, or something, which I can assure was not the case for me because I played likely hundreds upon hundreds of hands.
He won't credit my account to my knowledge, or deposit the money to my BTC account.
I have all these screenshots and emails. You can look up the addresses in the blockchain right?
No payouts, no communication.
My account balance would have still had the BTC in it if I didn't initiate withdrawals.
So I've been unofficially called a cheat and it's been three weeks.
I think he said something along the lines that doubling down was free, or something, which I can assure was not the case for me because I played likely hundreds upon hundreds of hands.
He won't credit my account to my knowledge, or deposit the money to my BTC account.
I have all these screenshots and emails. You can look up the addresses in the blockchain right?
No payouts, no communication.
Oh really, I violated his TOS? And where, oh where, have you EVER seen a TOS on his bitjack21.com site? Here's a hint: There isn't one. I've posted all my 'evidence' right there in his thread on the gambling sub. Fact is, he doesn't have to pay out at all, nobody is going to stop him, and since he controls the accounts, he can just delete the ones that have won and keep stealing btc.
Well, I understand your position, but how many reports of BTC not being paid out do you need before a "community consensus" is reached? He's not paying out on his advertiser platform either. With dozens of people reporting failed payouts, I would think the onus would be on him to prove his innocence.
I sometimes do use reasoning like that to decide scammer cases, but I feel that Andrew Bitcoiner has a strong case. His site ToS says:
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Any and all units of the Bitcoin digital currency deposited into a BitcoinAdvertisers.com Bitcoin address becomes the sole property of the Service until such time that the Bitcoin(s) is transferred to a third party Bitcoin address at the sole discretion of the Service.
I would still tend toward marking him as a scammer if he clearly kept deposited BTC for absolutely no reason, but he claims that all of the people with frozen accounts violated aspects of the ToS and he is therefore within his rights to keep the BTC. This may be true. I have no way of verifying whether or not people broke the site rules.
This thread was started in regards to bitjack21.com, where he owes multiple people btc in payouts.
I haven't received a reply in a week and he never formally accused me of violating any TOS. Initially he said he had a rash of payouts, then he said there was a bug, then he said we exploited the bug but he will still pay out. I tried to check his TOS the other day and it was 404'd. DOH! in my opinion did violate the TOS, which gave Andrew a reason to jump on the opportunity and not pay out in his case.
My account balance would have still had the BTC in it if I didn't initiate withdrawals.
So I've been unofficially called a cheat and it's been three weeks.
I think he said something along the lines that doubling down was free, or something, which I can assure was not the case for me because I played likely hundreds upon hundreds of hands.
He won't credit my account to my knowledge, or deposit the money to my BTC account.
I have all these screenshots and emails. You can look up the addresses in the blockchain right?
No payouts, no communication.
My account balance would have still had the BTC in it if I didn't initiate withdrawals.
So I've been unofficially called a cheat and it's been three weeks.
I think he said something along the lines that doubling down was free, or something, which I can assure was not the case for me because I played likely hundreds upon hundreds of hands.
He won't credit my account to my knowledge, or deposit the money to my BTC account.
I have all these screenshots and emails. You can look up the addresses in the blockchain right?
No payouts, no communication.
Please post these PMs. (Just post the text, if this is convenient. Screenshots are no more valuable than text.)
Well, I understand your position, but how many reports of BTC not being paid out do you need before a "community consensus" is reached? He's not paying out on his advertiser platform either. With dozens of people reporting failed payouts, I would think the onus would be on him to prove his innocence.
I sometimes do use reasoning like that to decide scammer cases, but I feel that Andrew Bitcoiner has a strong case. His site ToS says:
Quote
Any and all units of the Bitcoin digital currency deposited into a BitcoinAdvertisers.com Bitcoin address becomes the sole property of the Service until such time that the Bitcoin(s) is transferred to a third party Bitcoin address at the sole discretion of the Service.
I would still tend toward marking him as a scammer if he clearly kept deposited BTC for absolutely no reason, but he claims that all of the people with frozen accounts violated aspects of the ToS and he is therefore within his rights to keep the BTC. This may be true. I have no way of verifying whether or not people broke the site rules.
Well, I understand your position, but how many reports of BTC not being paid out do you need before a "community consensus" is reached? He's not paying out on his advertiser platform either. With dozens of people reporting failed payouts, I would think the onus would be on him to prove his innocence.
I sometimes do use reasoning like that to decide scammer cases, but I feel that Andrew Bitcoiner has a strong case. His site ToS says:
Quote
Any and all units of the Bitcoin digital currency deposited into a BitcoinAdvertisers.com Bitcoin address becomes the sole property of the Service until such time that the Bitcoin(s) is transferred to a third party Bitcoin address at the sole discretion of the Service.
I would still tend toward marking him as a scammer if he clearly kept deposited BTC for absolutely no reason, but he claims that all of the people with frozen accounts violated aspects of the ToS and he is therefore within his rights to keep the BTC. This may be true. I have no way of verifying whether or not people broke the site rules.
Mods - why does Andrew Bitcoiner NOT have a scammer tag yet??
I can't independently verify that scamming occurred.
How do you normally verify that scamming has occurred?
Interesting, the piece of shit removed his bitjack21.com thread in gambling, locked and deleted all his posts. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/removed-39591 What exactly do you need to prove that he is a scammer?
Mods - why does Andrew Bitcoiner NOT have a scammer tag yet??
I can't independently verify that scamming occurred.
How do you normally verify that scamming has occurred?
He doesn't need to prove his innocence. Someone needs to prove his guilt. I don't want to spend my time investigating it, so someone else will need to collect the evidence.
Lots of people complaining is not reason enough?
No.
You're obviously taking sides because he's a Hero Member.
If he was a newbie he already had the scammer tag a long time ago...
But nevermind, the time will take care of this.
Mods - why does Andrew Bitcoiner NOT have a scammer tag yet??
I can't independently verify that scamming occurred.
How do you normally verify that scamming has occurred?
Mods - why does Andrew Bitcoiner NOT have a scammer tag yet??
I can't independently verify that scamming occurred.
Mods - why does Andrew Bitcoiner NOT have a scammer tag yet??
I asked him to even put the 49 BTC back in my account so I can play with it or slowly withdraw to no use.
There isn't any hope for a scammer tag for this fuck. Might as well forget you had that btc, I know I have given up a long time ago, I just like to make noise.
Fair enough.
Im getting a private investigator to find " Andrew " and bring an end to his scamming.
Im getting a private investigator to find " Andrew " and bring an end to his scamming.
How's your private investigation going? Derp.
Fair enough.
Im getting a private investigator to find " Andrew " and bring an end to his scamming.
Im getting a private investigator to find " Andrew " and bring an end to his scamming.
If you recover anything, I'd like to know. He owes me over 400btc.
Fair enough.
Im getting a private investigator to find " Andrew " and bring an end to his scamming.
Im getting a private investigator to find " Andrew " and bring an end to his scamming.
Slander, libel, call him a faggot, whatever. This is not a time for semantics.
No but there is enough actual evidence that slander and libel are not necessary. Everyone involved should just submit what they have on him and hopefully the mods will see it and handle it.
How is a moderator going to tell another website owner to pay you?
Doesnt work like that man, moderators are not gods - unfortunately.
Yeah, but the mods can hand out a scammer tag to warn other members. I am not looking to the mods to get my money back for me.
Slander, libel, call him a faggot, whatever. This is not a time for semantics.
No but there is enough actual evidence that slander and libel are not necessary. Everyone involved should just submit what they have on him and hopefully the mods will see it and handle it.
How is a moderator going to tell another website owner to pay you?
Doesnt work like that man, moderators are not gods - unfortunately.
I like how andrew bitcoiner is ignoring the thread for 2 weeks now, and the admins still haven't taken action.
He doesn't care, I have been threadshitting on every post he makes, pretty sure he has me on ignore by now. Mods around here seem to be slow to act. I seriously doubt he will care if he gets a scammer tag or not, he gets plenty of web traffic on his site without advertising here.
I like how andrew bitcoiner is ignoring the thread for 2 weeks now, and the admins still haven't taken action.
We should make a list of people who are owed monies.
1. Me
1. Me
Revised list
1. Me
2. You
I am a man of honor. He knows he has done wrong. My deadline must be met or there will be much name calling and dick jokes.
Here's a taco.
I'm trying to be nice but I'm secretly a troll. I want to say mean things but I also want money. You aren't going to make me think I'm like Rain Man and make me think I'm awesome at blackjack for two days while I win like 60 BTC, then take my other bitcoins I lost after you said I'd get winnings. So yeah, locking threads and no communication and ponzi scheme casinos and slanderous shit makes the dude a scammer in my book unless he throws bitcoins at me. I will begin trolling 9-13-12 in full force unless my demands are met. Whip up a small low orbit ion cannon and DDOS the guy or something.
Why wait? It's not like he has any other deadline to miss. He done fucked up son.
Slander, libel, call him a faggot, whatever. This is not a time for semantics.
No but there is enough actual evidence that slander and libel are not necessary. Everyone involved should just submit what they have on him and hopefully the mods will see it and handle it.
Slander the hell out of this guy until he either pays out or pulls his sites and goes and hides under a rock.
I don't think slander means what you think it means.
This scammer owns also BitcoinAdvertisers.com/BitcoinAdvertising.com and have rejected many payments to its publishers, as well as distributed defamation against his competitors!
Bumping to raise awareness!
Here's what has happened so far:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39591.80
Recap: Withdrawl attempts from bitjack21.com have gone unpaid for almost a week. No responses to e-mails, PM's, and one post of "I'm confused, who needs what now?" by Andrew Bitcoiner in the bitjack21 thread. Total withdrawl attempt was over 133 btc. If any of the mods need more evidence, I can produce it. I took screenshots of the e-mails, withdrawl screen, etc. in the off chance that something like this would happen. Bottom line: Don't deposit anything at bitjack21.com, you won't be able to withdraw anything.
EDIT: Payouts have been happening, potentially not a scammer
EDIT AGAIN: He deleted my bitjack21.com account which had over 260btc left in it. No communication, I was going to sell my account to hedge against him not paying out at all and he deleted it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39591.80
Recap: Withdrawl attempts from bitjack21.com have gone unpaid for almost a week. No responses to e-mails, PM's, and one post of "I'm confused, who needs what now?" by Andrew Bitcoiner in the bitjack21 thread. Total withdrawl attempt was over 133 btc. If any of the mods need more evidence, I can produce it. I took screenshots of the e-mails, withdrawl screen, etc. in the off chance that something like this would happen. Bottom line: Don't deposit anything at bitjack21.com, you won't be able to withdraw anything.
EDIT: Payouts have been happening, potentially not a scammer
EDIT AGAIN: He deleted my bitjack21.com account which had over 260btc left in it. No communication, I was going to sell my account to hedge against him not paying out at all and he deleted it.
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