yep, surprisingly they haven't banned me yet, but they banned more than 10 people who asked questions already! So that's another clear sign that it's a scam.....
Remember if it's not a scam i takes 2 seconds to show work in progress or any updates to code or show the white paper.
Here's a nice explanation video of how masternode scams work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSsGAZkVgzE
In summary, three steps: (1) work hard and pay money to exchanges and masternode listings to set up the scam; (2) trick lots of people to buy the coin on the promise of high ROI; (3) don't do any work.
We are now on step 3 of the process.
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March 17, 2018, 07:03:03 PM
March 17, 2018, 06:09:20 PM
its a scam, as people mentioned above, i lost 2 btc on that shit, the manager banned me from the disscord, sooo professional... when they needed people to buy on auction they were all day talking and etc, now, they are mia.
March 17, 2018, 04:52:47 PM
What is the listing fee on some interesting Exchange??? For example middle one like Cryptopia?
It is about 20 BTC! So this is a reason why is ARGO on poor Exchanges.
Dont posting another lies about ARGO team.
MN per 1 click is awesome feature for a lot of people! Most of people are not able to setup their own masternode.
It is about 20 BTC! So this is a reason why is ARGO on poor Exchanges.
Dont posting another lies about ARGO team.
MN per 1 click is awesome feature for a lot of people! Most of people are not able to setup their own masternode.
March 17, 2018, 04:46:35 PM
ARGO is literally the definition of a shit coin / scam masternode project. The one developer has done NO work. Check the Github page. No updates. They don't plan to do any work. They won't give any updates about their daily work because they're not doing any. Yuness says "This isn't a 1 day or 1 week worth of work" Okay, fine, but why not show some code updates or any signs of any work.
I can't believe you are defending it. The above post: "Good project". lol, why? "Give them time!" When good projects like Ethereum and Bitcoin and NEO are struggling and they are working hard, how can you expect a project like Argo to go anywhere when they are NOT working at all and don't give a shit about the investors?
Remember this article: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/ Argo literally has ALL the warning signs of a scam: Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep), Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep), Anonymous team (yep), Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep), No clear roadmap (no white paper 1.0!)
Plus they did masternode auctions early and made tons of BTC. They already got their $$$, they're not going to do any work.
If you think this is a serious project or that they will do actually reveal a whitepaper or even do the 5 minutes of work to fix the website, you're an idiot!
If it SMELLS and LOOKS like a scam, and it only takes the smallest effort to show people that it's NOT a scam, but they won't do that, guess what.. ITS A SCAM!
I can't believe you are defending it. The above post: "Good project". lol, why? "Give them time!" When good projects like Ethereum and Bitcoin and NEO are struggling and they are working hard, how can you expect a project like Argo to go anywhere when they are NOT working at all and don't give a shit about the investors?
Remember this article: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/ Argo literally has ALL the warning signs of a scam: Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep), Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep), Anonymous team (yep), Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep), No clear roadmap (no white paper 1.0!)
Plus they did masternode auctions early and made tons of BTC. They already got their $$$, they're not going to do any work.
If you think this is a serious project or that they will do actually reveal a whitepaper or even do the 5 minutes of work to fix the website, you're an idiot!
If it SMELLS and LOOKS like a scam, and it only takes the smallest effort to show people that it's NOT a scam, but they won't do that, guess what.. ITS A SCAM!
dont posting this lies about scam. You are scammer who want get price low!
--> The price is already 3 cents, I don't want this shit coin, lol.
Why devs paid many BTCs from MN aution for listing fees in Exchanges and after some time for another Exchange???
--> The only work they did was rename Dash code and pay for Masternode listings and sell in auctions and list in crap exchanges like Cryptobridge. Isn't it curious that they are alive and work hard in the beginning, but ONLY to make lots of BTC early on in auctions? They got paid 3 BTC per node! The strategy is (1) copy Dash code (2) pay for listing on Masternodes online (3) pay for crappy exchange (4) sell shitcoin for 3 BTC on auction (5) make tons of money, do no actual work. The same thing happened for MANY masternode projects.
Why they are online many times during day on Discord channel and Telegram???
--> They want more time and continue to trick people like you, and make more money, so they are on discord but never say anything except excuses (white paper was supposed to be beginning of March, but ask them now when it will come. HINT: there's a reason why WhitePaper 1.0 isn't in the roadmap. It's not an accident. it's a scam.).
Why they are still working on their project and posting updates and screenshots?
--> They're not. I told you, look at the Github, no updates. They posted a screenshot of a mobile wallet (which you can fake in photoshop easily in 10 minutes) and talk about one click masternodes. MObile wallet and One Click masternodes don't even make any sense. No one needs that. It won't increase the value of the coin at all to be able to transfer a shitcoin no one wants from your phone.
Why they are looking another members to their team???
--> They're not.
Why they are paying another BTCs for another subcontractors???
--> They're not. Count how many problems and mistakes you can see in their website http://argo.cash/ (missing videos, junk text on the bottom, fake timeline with missing Whitepaper 1.0), etc. They're not even doing 5 minutes of work to fix the website.
Why they still not sell their premined coins???
--> They already made 30+ BTC in auctions and organized the pump and dump. They already sold lots.
Argo network and Masternodes are stable like a rock. There is no problems and no one reported any issue so what update on github you want?
It is perfect work from ARGO devs.
--> Exactly what work has been done in the entire past month?
This project is very new and they have a lot of work because they dont have big dev team. If you have time you can help them with something and get some BTC for work. They are still looking for some subcontractors.
--> They're not hiring. They're anonymous and would not hire people. I see many people in Telegram and Discord offer to help but they don't care.
So, you are in total denial or you are part of the scam.
This is funny conspiracy theory
March 17, 2018, 04:28:27 PM
ARGO is literally the definition of a shit coin / scam masternode project. The one developer has done NO work. Check the Github page. No updates. They don't plan to do any work. They won't give any updates about their daily work because they're not doing any. Yuness says "This isn't a 1 day or 1 week worth of work" Okay, fine, but why not show some code updates or any signs of any work.
I can't believe you are defending it. The above post: "Good project". lol, why? "Give them time!" When good projects like Ethereum and Bitcoin and NEO are struggling and they are working hard, how can you expect a project like Argo to go anywhere when they are NOT working at all and don't give a shit about the investors?
Remember this article: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/ Argo literally has ALL the warning signs of a scam: Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep), Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep), Anonymous team (yep), Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep), No clear roadmap (no white paper 1.0!)
Plus they did masternode auctions early and made tons of BTC. They already got their $$$, they're not going to do any work.
If you think this is a serious project or that they will do actually reveal a whitepaper or even do the 5 minutes of work to fix the website, you're an idiot!
If it SMELLS and LOOKS like a scam, and it only takes the smallest effort to show people that it's NOT a scam, but they won't do that, guess what.. ITS A SCAM!
I can't believe you are defending it. The above post: "Good project". lol, why? "Give them time!" When good projects like Ethereum and Bitcoin and NEO are struggling and they are working hard, how can you expect a project like Argo to go anywhere when they are NOT working at all and don't give a shit about the investors?
Remember this article: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/ Argo literally has ALL the warning signs of a scam: Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep), Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep), Anonymous team (yep), Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep), No clear roadmap (no white paper 1.0!)
Plus they did masternode auctions early and made tons of BTC. They already got their $$$, they're not going to do any work.
If you think this is a serious project or that they will do actually reveal a whitepaper or even do the 5 minutes of work to fix the website, you're an idiot!
If it SMELLS and LOOKS like a scam, and it only takes the smallest effort to show people that it's NOT a scam, but they won't do that, guess what.. ITS A SCAM!
dont posting this lies about scam. You are scammer who want get price low!
--> The price is already 3 cents, I don't want this shit coin, lol.
Why devs paid many BTCs from MN aution for listing fees in Exchanges and after some time for another Exchange???
--> The only work they did was rename Dash code and pay for Masternode listings and sell in auctions and list in crap exchanges like Cryptobridge. Isn't it curious that they are alive and work hard in the beginning, but ONLY to make lots of BTC early on in auctions? They got paid 3 BTC per node! The strategy is (1) copy Dash code (2) pay for listing on Masternodes online (3) pay for crappy exchange (4) sell shitcoin for 3 BTC on auction (5) make tons of money, do no actual work. The same thing happened for MANY masternode projects.
Why they are online many times during day on Discord channel and Telegram???
--> They want more time and continue to trick people like you, and make more money, so they are on discord but never say anything except excuses (white paper was supposed to be beginning of March, but ask them now when it will come. HINT: there's a reason why WhitePaper 1.0 isn't in the roadmap. It's not an accident. it's a scam.).
Why they are still working on their project and posting updates and screenshots?
--> They're not. I told you, look at the Github, no updates. They posted a screenshot of a mobile wallet (which you can fake in photoshop easily in 10 minutes) and talk about one click masternodes. MObile wallet and One Click masternodes don't even make any sense. No one needs that. It won't increase the value of the coin at all to be able to transfer a shitcoin no one wants from your phone.
Why they are looking another members to their team???
--> They're not.
Why they are paying another BTCs for another subcontractors???
--> They're not. Count how many problems and mistakes you can see in their website http://argo.cash/ (missing videos, junk text on the bottom, fake timeline with missing Whitepaper 1.0), etc. They're not even doing 5 minutes of work to fix the website.
Why they still not sell their premined coins???
--> They already made 30+ BTC in auctions and organized the pump and dump. They already sold lots.
Argo network and Masternodes are stable like a rock. There is no problems and no one reported any issue so what update on github you want?
It is perfect work from ARGO devs.
--> Exactly what work has been done in the entire past month?
This project is very new and they have a lot of work because they dont have big dev team. If you have time you can help them with something and get some BTC for work. They are still looking for some subcontractors.
--> They're not hiring. They're anonymous and would not hire people. I see many people in Telegram and Discord offer to help but they don't care.
So, you are in total denial or you are part of the scam.
March 17, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
ARGO is literally the definition of a shit coin / scam masternode project. The one developer has done NO work. Check the Github page. No updates. They don't plan to do any work. They won't give any updates about their daily work because they're not doing any. Yuness says "This isn't a 1 day or 1 week worth of work" Okay, fine, but why not show some code updates or any signs of any work.
I can't believe you are defending it. The above post: "Good project". lol, why? "Give them time!" When good projects like Ethereum and Bitcoin and NEO are struggling and they are working hard, how can you expect a project like Argo to go anywhere when they are NOT working at all and don't give a shit about the investors?
Remember this article: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/ Argo literally has ALL the warning signs of a scam: Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep), Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep), Anonymous team (yep), Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep), No clear roadmap (no white paper 1.0!)
Plus they did masternode auctions early and made tons of BTC. They already got their $$$, they're not going to do any work.
If you think this is a serious project or that they will do actually reveal a whitepaper or even do the 5 minutes of work to fix the website, you're an idiot!
If it SMELLS and LOOKS like a scam, and it only takes the smallest effort to show people that it's NOT a scam, but they won't do that, guess what.. ITS A SCAM!
I can't believe you are defending it. The above post: "Good project". lol, why? "Give them time!" When good projects like Ethereum and Bitcoin and NEO are struggling and they are working hard, how can you expect a project like Argo to go anywhere when they are NOT working at all and don't give a shit about the investors?
Remember this article: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/ Argo literally has ALL the warning signs of a scam: Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep), Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep), Anonymous team (yep), Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep), No clear roadmap (no white paper 1.0!)
Plus they did masternode auctions early and made tons of BTC. They already got their $$$, they're not going to do any work.
If you think this is a serious project or that they will do actually reveal a whitepaper or even do the 5 minutes of work to fix the website, you're an idiot!
If it SMELLS and LOOKS like a scam, and it only takes the smallest effort to show people that it's NOT a scam, but they won't do that, guess what.. ITS A SCAM!
dont posting this lies about scam. You are scammer who want get price low!
You said that lies above so:
Why devs paid many BTCs from MN aution for listing fees in Exchanges and after some time for another Exchange???
Why they are online many times during day on Discord channel and Telegram???
Why they are still working on their project and posting updates and screenshots?
Why they are looking another members to their team???
Why they are paying another BTCs for another subcontractors???
Why they still not sell their premined coins???
Argo network and Masternodes are stable like a rock. There is no problems and no one reported any issue so what update on github you want?
It is perfect work from ARGO devs.
This project is very new and they have a lot of work because they dont have big dev team. If you have time you can help them with something and get some BTC for work. They are still looking for some subcontractors.
This not scam! Wake up!
March 17, 2018, 02:32:02 PM
ARGO is literally the definition of a shit coin / scam masternode project. The one developer has done NO work. Check the Github page. No updates. They don't plan to do any work. They won't give any updates about their daily work because they're not doing any. Yuness says "This isn't a 1 day or 1 week worth of work" Okay, fine, but why not show some code updates or any signs of any work.
I can't believe you are defending it. The above post: "Good project". lol, why? "Give them time!" When good projects like Ethereum and Bitcoin and NEO are struggling and they are working hard, how can you expect a project like Argo to go anywhere when they are NOT working at all and don't give a shit about the investors?
Remember this article: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/ Argo literally has ALL the warning signs of a scam: Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep), Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep), Anonymous team (yep), Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep), No clear roadmap (no white paper 1.0!)
Plus they did masternode auctions early and made tons of BTC. They already got their $$$, they're not going to do any work.
If you think this is a serious project or that they will do actually reveal a whitepaper or even do the 5 minutes of work to fix the website, you're an idiot!
If it SMELLS and LOOKS like a scam, and it only takes the smallest effort to show people that it's NOT a scam, but they won't do that, guess what.. ITS A SCAM!
I can't believe you are defending it. The above post: "Good project". lol, why? "Give them time!" When good projects like Ethereum and Bitcoin and NEO are struggling and they are working hard, how can you expect a project like Argo to go anywhere when they are NOT working at all and don't give a shit about the investors?
Remember this article: https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/ Argo literally has ALL the warning signs of a scam: Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep), Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep), Anonymous team (yep), Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep), No clear roadmap (no white paper 1.0!)
Plus they did masternode auctions early and made tons of BTC. They already got their $$$, they're not going to do any work.
If you think this is a serious project or that they will do actually reveal a whitepaper or even do the 5 minutes of work to fix the website, you're an idiot!
If it SMELLS and LOOKS like a scam, and it only takes the smallest effort to show people that it's NOT a scam, but they won't do that, guess what.. ITS A SCAM!
March 17, 2018, 07:32:16 AM
Good project.
March 17, 2018, 07:18:13 AM
Dev team is very active on Discord channel and Telegram too. They are working hard on their Q1/Q2 2018 plans and they are close to finish. So I dont understand to this panic! They dont have about 20 programmers in team and they have some family and this project and plans is not so easy. They are still looking some another programmers to their team.
So I dont understand why this project should be scam???!!! Why they are still working and finding another people to their team if it is scam? Wake up!
We are only on the end of Q1 2018 so progress is still in plan. Many steps are finished and only waiting for final adjustments.
But I know ... it is easy money to say that this project is scam and wait for low price and buy it And when devs will upload their work you will be rich guys. But many other people sold their coins in panic with loss.
I bought a lot of cheap ARGO now because I know that devs are active with their work. But they need some days to finish their work on Q1/Q2 plans.
So dont panic! Dont listen that lies about ARGO team. ARGO project is much better than another 1000 shit coins!
So I dont understand why this project should be scam???!!! Why they are still working and finding another people to their team if it is scam? Wake up!
We are only on the end of Q1 2018 so progress is still in plan. Many steps are finished and only waiting for final adjustments.
But I know ... it is easy money to say that this project is scam and wait for low price and buy it
And when devs will upload their work you will be rich guys. But many other people sold their coins in panic with loss.I bought a lot of cheap ARGO now because I know that devs are active with their work. But they need some days to finish their work on Q1/Q2 plans.
So dont panic! Dont listen that lies about ARGO team. ARGO project is much better than another 1000 shit coins!
March 16, 2018, 12:40:21 AM
haha they asked Yuness the Community Manager about the whitepaper and he made up more excuses. It will never come because it's a SCAM coin. If you ask people why they defend this coin, they say the dumbest reasons with no evidence as to why this project is alive.
Total pump and dump scam. Why, do you ask?
1. Here is the GitHub https://github.com/argocoins Zero updates since announcing the coin on January 27 in BitcoinTalk forum. ummm okay
2. Stolen Dash code without any credit. Look at source code: https://github.com/argocoins/argo They just changed the code from "Dash" to Argo. It even says "Copyright 2014 the Argo Developers." lol. Argo has been around since 2014? nice.
3. Their first priority was paying for MasterNodes online and then selling master nodes for 2.77-3 BTC each. Feel sorry for those who got tricked into spending 3 BTC for a project that obviously will not be developed and will go to $0.
4. No white paper at all, after 3 months. Roadmap says "Whitepaper 2.0" coming in Quarter 3. NO white paper 1.0. When the community manager is asked about the whitepaper, he says excuses even though it should only take a day or two to appear if it were a real project. But of course there is no actual development and no actual ideas, so we will never see a white paper. Keep asking, and you will keep seeing more excuses. A white paper would reveal the reality of the project.
5. Embarrassingly bad website http://argo.cash/ with broken links, NO team info, and placeholder text at the bottom.
The dev team claims is that they are working on a mobile wallet and a one-click install of master nodes. They show images that anyone with photoshop skills can make in 10 minutes or less. But they don't show any work that indicates they're doing any actual work, even though this would be REALLY easy.
--> Everyone take a look at this article with the 6 red flags for crypto projects.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/
Argo has the following:
what we have here is a total scam folks. If you try to defend, give some legitimate evidence to argue why it's not a scam. I find those who try to defend Argo really suspicious (part of the scam) or in total denial.
If it's a real project, why no github updates? Why such urgency to pay for and set up master nodes and sell in auctions for lots of $$? Why no communication from the CEO or developers, not even five minutes? Why an anonymous team? Why no whitepaper?
case closed.
my prediction is the project will close down and disappear within a month or less.
1. Here is the GitHub https://github.com/argocoins Zero updates since announcing the coin on January 27 in BitcoinTalk forum. ummm okay
2. Stolen Dash code without any credit. Look at source code: https://github.com/argocoins/argo They just changed the code from "Dash" to Argo. It even says "Copyright 2014 the Argo Developers." lol. Argo has been around since 2014? nice.
3. Their first priority was paying for MasterNodes online and then selling master nodes for 2.77-3 BTC each. Feel sorry for those who got tricked into spending 3 BTC for a project that obviously will not be developed and will go to $0.
4. No white paper at all, after 3 months. Roadmap says "Whitepaper 2.0" coming in Quarter 3. NO white paper 1.0. When the community manager is asked about the whitepaper, he says excuses even though it should only take a day or two to appear if it were a real project. But of course there is no actual development and no actual ideas, so we will never see a white paper. Keep asking, and you will keep seeing more excuses. A white paper would reveal the reality of the project.
5. Embarrassingly bad website http://argo.cash/ with broken links, NO team info, and placeholder text at the bottom.
The dev team claims is that they are working on a mobile wallet and a one-click install of master nodes. They show images that anyone with photoshop skills can make in 10 minutes or less. But they don't show any work that indicates they're doing any actual work, even though this would be REALLY easy.
--> Everyone take a look at this article with the 6 red flags for crypto projects.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/07/6-red-flags-of-an-ico-scam/
Argo has the following:
- Empty repositories for open-source projects (yep)
- Mining structure disproportionately favors development team (yep)
- Anonymous team (yep)
- Insufficient information on website/whitepaper (yep)
- No clear roadmap (yep)
what we have here is a total scam folks. If you try to defend, give some legitimate evidence to argue why it's not a scam. I find those who try to defend Argo really suspicious (part of the scam) or in total denial.
If it's a real project, why no github updates? Why such urgency to pay for and set up master nodes and sell in auctions for lots of $$? Why no communication from the CEO or developers, not even five minutes? Why an anonymous team? Why no whitepaper?
case closed.
my prediction is the project will close down and disappear within a month or less.
March 15, 2018, 05:58:38 PM
Devs are active on Discord or Telegram. They are working on new features.
Price is low because more people selling than buying. That is all.
There is only about 7M coins in supply now and price is very low now so that is the best time for buy another masternode and create your passive income and help to stable coin network.
ARGO price is rising now.
Price is low because more people selling than buying. That is all.
There is only about 7M coins in supply now and price is very low now so that is the best time for buy another masternode and create your passive income and help to stable coin network.
ARGO price is rising now.
Lol
Dev hasn’t logged in here for 12 days. Do not buy a masternode. Scam.
omg
you are scam
devs are active everyday on Discord and Telegram.
But yes it is very easy to say this is scam. If you dont like this coin so go away
OK Dev lol
March 15, 2018, 10:18:52 AM
Maybe dev dumped the price and gone to create another new mn coin
Argo team isnt dumping coins. You can see the premined amount here - http://explorer.argocash.com/richlist. It is the top wallet on the list. It hasnt moved up or down since release of coin.Please research before saying stuff, that are obviously not true.
March 15, 2018, 08:23:49 AM
which dev are active? i am at the discord everytime, and all i see is that so called community manager that don't really know anything other that what the so called argo coe asked him to say.
March 15, 2018, 03:32:10 AM
Devs are active on Discord or Telegram. They are working on new features.
Price is low because more people selling than buying. That is all.
There is only about 7M coins in supply now and price is very low now so that is the best time for buy another masternode and create your passive income and help to stable coin network.
ARGO price is rising now.
Price is low because more people selling than buying. That is all.
There is only about 7M coins in supply now and price is very low now so that is the best time for buy another masternode and create your passive income and help to stable coin network.
ARGO price is rising now.
Lol
Dev hasn’t logged in here for 12 days. Do not buy a masternode. Scam.
omg
you are scam
devs are active everyday on Discord and Telegram.
But yes it is very easy to say this is scam. If you dont like this coin so go away
March 15, 2018, 02:49:52 AM
Devs are active on Discord or Telegram. They are working on new features.
Price is low because more people selling than buying. That is all.
There is only about 7M coins in supply now and price is very low now so that is the best time for buy another masternode and create your passive income and help to stable coin network.
ARGO price is rising now.
Price is low because more people selling than buying. That is all.
There is only about 7M coins in supply now and price is very low now so that is the best time for buy another masternode and create your passive income and help to stable coin network.
ARGO price is rising now.
Lol
Dev hasn’t logged in here for 12 days. Do not buy a masternode. Scam.
March 14, 2018, 06:06:50 PM
Devs are active on Discord or Telegram. They are working on new features.
Price is low because more people selling than buying. That is all.
There is only about 7M coins in supply now and price is very low now so that is the best time for buy another masternode and create your passive income and help to stable coin network.
ARGO price is rising now.
Price is low because more people selling than buying. That is all.
There is only about 7M coins in supply now and price is very low now so that is the best time for buy another masternode and create your passive income and help to stable coin network.
ARGO price is rising now.
March 14, 2018, 02:34:00 PM
Maybe dev dumped the price and gone to create another new mn coin
March 14, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
Is there any news from the developers?
The price down moves who sells at such a low price?
The price down moves who sells at such a low price?
March 13, 2018, 10:00:49 PM
Most of them are bots. So they auto find most profitable algo to mine and exchange directly to btc.
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