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Topic: [ANN] Bitbond – Bitcoin P2P loans - page 9. (Read 24782 times)

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Founder of Bitbond
May 21, 2014, 06:59:56 PM
#28
I have lent a loan of 0.1BTC but I would like to repay it back early. I deposited the required payment into my account, but there is no repayment button (at least from what I could see). How can I make an early repayment of my loan?

The best thing to do is to send a support request. On bitbond.net there is a Feedback & Support widget where you can do this. Please send your request from the email you signed up with. State which loan you would like to repay and we will take care of it.
hero member
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www.DonateMedia.org
May 21, 2014, 06:26:54 PM
#27
I have lent a loan of 0.1BTC but I would like to repay it back early. I deposited the required payment into my account, but there is no repayment button (at least from what I could see). How can I make an early repayment of my loan?
member
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Founder of Bitbond
April 20, 2014, 05:50:09 PM
#26
The application is down
If you are the owner please check the logs

I do not like the sign of this

Thanks for your message.

This was a temporary timeout of a few minutes. The site is back up.
legendary
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April 06, 2014, 04:44:29 AM
#25
Seems interesting. Is it similar to what TF had going on?

No, I believe this was (is) supposed to be a peer-to-peer method of lending like BTCJam, but we all know the problems that arise with that.
legendary
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nahtnam.com
April 05, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
#24
I loaned out 1BTC for short term loans. (6 weeks) lets see what happens.

The minimum is 0.01BTC but what the hell I got some spares.

Signing up right now.
sr. member
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April 05, 2014, 06:44:32 PM
#23
I loaned out 1BTC for short term loans. (6 weeks) lets see what happens.

The minimum is 0.01BTC but what the hell I got some spares.
legendary
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nahtnam.com
April 05, 2014, 06:37:01 PM
#22
Seems interesting. Is it similar to what TF had going on?

From what I can see this is a legitimate company in germany.

Registrant Name: CreditSix Marketplace GmbH
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: Pappelallee 78/79
Registrant City: Berlin
Registrant State/Province: Berlin
Registrant Postal Code: 10437
Registrant Country: DE
Registrant Phone: +49.30120764180
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +49.30120764189
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:



Wow, I might actually go on there and lend out some BTC.
sr. member
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April 05, 2014, 06:27:58 PM
#21
Seems interesting. Is it similar to what TF had going on?

From what I can see this is a legitimate company in germany.

Registrant Name: CreditSix Marketplace GmbH
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: Pappelallee 78/79
Registrant City: Berlin
Registrant State/Province: Berlin
Registrant Postal Code: 10437
Registrant Country: DE
Registrant Phone: +49.30120764180
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +49.30120764189
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:

legendary
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nahtnam.com
April 05, 2014, 05:55:24 PM
#20
Seems interesting. Is it similar to what TF had going on?
legendary
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April 04, 2014, 04:40:36 PM
#19
Has anyone used this in the last month?

Is it worth it?

I can't seem to find a lot of info or discussion about the site/company.

With the lack of posts and promotion on any thread about Bitbond, I wouldn't use it until (if) the owner decides to make a post with extra information, solutions to problems brought up previously etc.
sr. member
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April 04, 2014, 10:12:25 AM
#18
Has anyone used this in the last month?

Is it worth it?

I can't seem to find a lot of info or discussion about the site/company.
newbie
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October 13, 2013, 10:39:02 AM
#17
Are you aware that Bit bond was one of the the biggest scams in Bitcoin history?

It is like calling yourselves Bitcoin Savings and Trust

I saw it.

Bitbond.net as a name just fits our product well which is fundamentally different. Many bonds from corporates or governments are big scams and we still stick to the name "bonds" because it's a generic description regardless of quality. Of course, we work hard to do a lot better than that and maybe some day we all will succeed and Bitcoin will be a real currency alternative. I believe this largely depends on the reliability of the services we all provide. So maybe it's a good start to change the connotation of a name for the better.

By the way, it is beyond me why you have ignored this and decided to just stick with the name bitbond. TradeFortress is right, the name Bit bond is burned among the bitcoin community (a.k.a. your primary target audience). You might as well call yourself "The Bernie Madoff Fund Of Guaranteed Profits". Your rationalizations of the name don't matter, people won't even see them. They will see the name bitbond and decide not to bother reading anything else you have to say. Hint: If you find you need to defend your brand name or marketing decisions to your target audience, you are probably doing it wrong.

Also, calling yourself an "unbank"? I don't care what you think about banks or what you think your target audience thinks about banks, "un" is a negative prefix, and it leads to negative associations. It's not a good choice of you want to market something.

You need to talk to someone who knows how to do marketing, and soon. Don't pretend you don't have a problem, because you apparent inability to attract lenders lately says otherwise.
member
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Founder of Bitbond
October 11, 2013, 07:13:54 AM
#16
Thank you for your feedback, it's highly appreciated!

They do not allow borrowers to set their own interest rates, but rather dictate interest on what they think the borrower's credit rating should be, which kinda goes against the whole free market idea.

There are three ways of how to set interest rates on p2p lending platform:
1) let the borrower set the rate
2) let the borrower set a starting rate and then auction it off, so those lenders who bid the lowest interest rate are the ones who get to invest
3) the platform conducts a credit check and sets the rate according to creditworthiness

All three are legitimate concepts. The reason why on Bitbond.net we set the rates as in 3) is that experience from other p2p lending platform shows that it seems to produce the best results for both, borrowers an lenders. One popular example is the second largest US based p2p lending platform www.prosper.com. They started with interest rate setting as described in 2) and switched to 3) after they saw that interest rates did not reflect the default risks of borrowers correctly. Lenders weren't earning sufficient returns and the marketplace was close to stop. After they (and many others like LendingClub) changed their pricing to method 3) p2p lending started to work for them. I will post are more elaborate article about this on our blog soon.

I also think the interest rates they set are much too high. We are dealing with a deflationary currency here, after all.

I think this depends on the level of interest rates in your economy. Where you have high inflation, rates might be very low, with low inflation, rates are relatively high. But with currently low central bank interest rates in the Euro zone, bank loans have much higher interest rates that are not not far away from our's. After all, both sides need to be happy and that's what the rates are aimed at.

They have very few listings, most of the time they don't have any. I'm assuming this is probably due to a combination of them not being very well known yet and checking every loan applicant a bit more thoroughly, but I don't really know.

There is a number of reasons to this. We have been getting our terms of use straight for a while and weren't unlocking any new borrower accounts. Also, we're still quite new to the market so yes, we need to gain more publicity. And third, it is correct that our checks are quite thorough. There are new borrower aplicants every day but only very few of them are willing to disclose the information we require. And only those borrowers get their account unlocked, who fulfill the requirements. It's a trade off between having many users and the quality of the projects on the platform and I'm not willing to sacrifice on the quality of our credit check.

A few more checks on the listings would be nice. For example, there's one listing that says "Real estate development. Revenues will come from tenants.". Sounds nice, but it would sound even nicer with a little note besides it among the lines of "Bitbond.net can confirm that this borrower owns real estate that can be rented out to tenants.".

They are much bigger on privacy than BTCJam. You don't get to see a user id or name of the borrower, and you don't get to see a list of investors for a given loan. There's also no way of commenting on a loan or any other way, really, for user's to communicate via the site.

One of the next things that are on the to-do list is a public communication system. I think it would be of help, if there was a commenting function where lenders ask questions to borrowers and the answers are all public. It will be hard for us as a platform to verify every detail of each listing but when such questions arise, I believe there should be a way to address the borrower directly. What do you think, would this help? There is a long to do list so I'm taking suggestions which help us to prioritize.

There's a listing up there right now for a 36 months loan of 112 BTC at 11.66% p.a. IMHO, Bitcoin-denominated loans over such long term are a bad idea. Bitcoin still fluctuates wildly in value, and there is no way of knowing where it will stand in 3 years. If there is another big spike in value, it is very likely that the borrower will have to default.

This is certainly a valid point. But there is only one thing we really do know, and that is we don't know what's going to happen to the Bitcion price. If we have a 36m loan and the price goes down, the borrower benefits (in case they converted to a fiat currency). If the price goes up, the lenders benefit since they earn the interest plus the price move up. There is no way to predict what is going to happen but one thing that can be observed is that Bitcoin volatility is decreasing, as I have outlined here http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6543/bitcoin-volatility-analysis/. This doesn't mean the price can't go up, but the swings tend to become smaller which is good for Bitcoin loans in general.

One other solution would be to offer loans that are pegged to an exchange rate but it would only reverse the problem. I'm still thinking about it, though.

They don't have a support or contact form on their website. Bad move, even if they are reachable via bitcointalk.

They don't (yet?) have a way of selling bonds again. This is bad for lenders who want to get out of a loan because they suddenly need the money or because they have changed their mind on a loan.

On the left side of the browser window there should be w widget that says "Feedback & Support". It's a UserVoice app where you can either leave public comments or send an email to spport via a contact form. If it doesn't appear this might be due to your browser settings. You are also welcome to send an email to service(at)bitbond.net!

I'm planning to establish a secondary market, it's definitely on the list as this adds value to the site. However, currently there are other product related priorities. Stay tuned and again, always happy to take suggestions.
newbie
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October 10, 2013, 12:42:28 PM
#15
I have been using bitbond.net for a short time. Here are some thoughts on it:

They are definitely different from btcjam. More bureaucratic, but (hopefully) also more thorough. The company behind it is a GmbH, which is not easy or cheap to incorporate. (Not that this guarantees anything, but still...)

They don't do this whole reputation loan thing that goes on at BTCJam, and I think it's a good thing that they don't. IMHO, the btcjam reputation loans are a stupid idea, and they come down to buying yourself a good credit rating, especially if the borrower pays back early.

Interest rates on the site are always given "per annum". BTCJam gives interest rates over the term of the loan, which massively distorts your view on the real interest rate, especially for short-term loans. I can only assume that some of the borrowers on btcjam have never done the math, or else they would realize they are borrowing money at a p.a.-equivalent rate of 40 to 50%...

Their plan on dealing with non-paying borrowers seems more solid than BTCJam's. As a lender, I would feel more confident investing lots of coins on bitbond.net than on BTCJam. (Especially since they happen to be in the same jurisdiction as I am...)

They do not allow borrowers to set their own interest rates, but rather dictate interest on what they think the borrower's credit rating should be, which kinda goes against the whole free market idea.

I also think the interest rates they set are much too high. We are dealing with a deflationary currency here, after all.

They have very few listings, most of the time they don't have any. I'm assuming this is probably due to a combination of them not being very well known yet and checking every loan applicant a bit more thoroughly, but I don't really know.

A few more checks on the listings would be nice. For example, there's one listing that says "Real estate development. Revenues will come from tenants.". Sounds nice, but it would sound even nicer with a little note besides it among the lines of "Bitbond.net can confirm that this borrower owns real estate that can be rented out to tenants.".

They are much bigger on privacy than BTCJam. You don't get to see a user id or name of the borrower, and you don't get to see a list of investors for a given loan. There's also no way of commenting on a loan or any other way, really, for user's to communicate via the site.

There's a listing up there right now for a 36 months loan of 112 BTC at 11.66% p.a. IMHO, Bitcoin-denominated loans over such long term are a bad idea. Bitcoin still fluctuates wildly in value, and there is no way of knowing where it will stand in 3 years. If there is another big spike in value, it is very likely that the borrower will have to default.

They don't have a support or contact form on their website. Bad move, even if they are reachable via bitcointalk.

They don't (yet?) have a way of selling bonds again. This is bad for lenders who want to get out of a loan because they suddenly need the money or because they have changed their mind on a loan.
member
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Founder of Bitbond
September 27, 2013, 04:08:01 AM
#14
Are you still active? Looks interesting!

Thank you!

We are active, but currently we do not unlock any new issuer accounts, that's why you don't see any listings. A law firm is updating our terms and conditions. When this is completed, new listings will come up again.
legendary
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September 26, 2013, 09:10:08 PM
#13
Are you still active? Looks interesting!
member
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Founder of Bitbond
July 31, 2013, 03:55:31 PM
#12
We are happy to announce that Bitbond is now a silver member of the Bitcoin Foundation!


member
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July 12, 2013, 12:42:03 PM
#11
We define debt instrument by the following criteria:

1) Money is lent for a fixed term that is longer than 12 months (anything up to 12 months is a money market instrument)
2) There is a contractual obligation to repay
3) The borrower undergoes a mandatory assessement of creditworthiness (rating)

Some comments:

  • If not all three criteria are met, for my understanding it is not a debt instrument in financial terminology
  • An obligation to repay only exists and is only enforcable if you have a contract, otherwise the debt holder fully relies on the goodwill of the borrower. I believe that such a missing obligation is an invitation to scammers. A site that does not provide Terms & Conditions which state what type of contract obliges the borrower to repay does not provide debt instruments but lending with the hope of repayment. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it is certainly valid to try and see whether such an approach works out. The only thing I'm saying is that hoping someone will repay is not equal to holding a debt instrument.
  • A rating presupposes that the identity of the borrower is verified to the best possible extent and that this is mandatory. From my point of view you cannot have a legally binding contract with a pseudonym and I wouldn't lend money to someone who fails to provide proof of identity at least to an intermediary / clearing house.

I'm happy to discuss our criteria. To my knowledge the aforementioned sites do not meet them, but also happy to discuss. That is why we call Bitbond.net 'the first platform for Bitcoin debt instruments'.
hero member
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
July 12, 2013, 10:40:45 AM
#10
Welcome to Bitbond.net (Beta) - the first Huh Huh platform for Bitcoin debt instruments

Seems kinda sketchy to be claiming to be the first when we have already in this thread pointed out one other example, BTCjam, you could also argue that "platform for Bitcoin debt instruments" is also applicable to GLBSE (now defunct), MPEx, BTCT, BitFunder, coinlenders, bitfinex, ripple, and the lending section of this forum, just to name a few examples.
hero member
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Casper - A failed entrepenuer who looks like Zhou
July 12, 2013, 08:19:49 AM
#9
Welcome to Bitbond.net (Beta) - the first Huh Huh platform for Bitcoin debt instruments
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