[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - page 82.

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Quote from: presduterte on November 19, 2018, 10:23:41 PM

Quote from: boomboom on November 19, 2018, 09:31:52 PM

CSW is like a medical doctor with catastrophically awful bedside manner giving brutally honest, but truthful, bad news,

He's more like a shitty doctor who botches an unnecessary surgery and then is overly brutally honest about the bad news. He could have just not said peep, slunk back into obscurity after being famously outed as Not Satoshi. But no. He had to press his ego on the crypto world and now his #1 pet project is down over 50% in 7 days because of it.

If miners process transactions on the blockchain that are involved in illegal activities, and this is clearly visible, then they are at risk

It is far better if miners never know what any particular tx is for, otherwise, CSW's warning is valid, miners could be legally liable for KNOWINGLY facilitating illegal activities by processing tx into a block where the purpose is illegal, and this can be seen in the op code. Nothing really to do with CSW personally, or ethics, just legal realities of the world we live in today.

disclaimer: CSW is a dick, I agree!

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Quote from: boomboom on November 19, 2018, 09:31:52 PM

CSW is like a medical doctor with catastrophically awful bedside manner giving brutally honest, but truthful, bad news,

He's more like a shitty doctor who botches an unnecessary surgery and then is overly brutally honest about the bad news. He could have just not said peep, slunk back into obscurity after being famously outed as Not Satoshi. But no. He had to press his ego on the crypto world and now his #1 pet project is down over 50% in 7 days because of it.

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Quote from: presduterte on November 19, 2018, 06:52:15 AM

Quote from: boomboom on November 19, 2018, 05:59:59 AM

Can someone explain reasoning behind why CSW believes ABC changes would make BCH illegal, has he spelled out in detail what the problem is?

You can read his own words in all their idiotic glory here:

https://medium.com/@craig_10243/drugs-fraud-and-murder-ddf12208ae8b

Basically he claims that by introducing an oracle-capable OP code Bitcoin Cash can be used for gambling, the Silk Road 2.0 and even murder-for-hire services. It's all bullshit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9vxc7w/illegal_gambling_futures_markets_on_murder_and/

Perhaps most ironically he doesn't mind that his #1 partner Calvin Ayre made his fortune from running a gambling site, Bodog.

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 11:22:05 AM

Quote from: boomboom on November 19, 2018, 05:59:59 AM

Can someone explain reasoning behind why CSW believes ABC changes would make BCH illegal, has he spelled out in detail what the problem is?

DSV is what makes bitcoin (BCH) illegal.

https://ambcrypto.com/bitcoin-cash-bch-proponent-dsv-changes-it-from-being-something-that-is-effectively-legal/

https://bitcoinprice.media/how-dsv-seeks-to-criminalize-the-bitcoin-bch-blockchain.html

Thanks for the links, CSW is like a medical doctor with catastrophically awful bedside manner giving brutally honest, but truthful, bad news, I think he's correct. If miners process transactions that can be demonstrated to be involved in illegal activities, and these tx are not encrypted and can be viewed in plain text on the blockchain, then the miners are vulnerable to legal action. This seems pretty clear cut to me now, just a shame CSW's personality obscures his message.

Edit, I remember hearing about a case where a guy went to jail for lending his brother a car, just because his brother asked "I need to use your car to do X', and X was obviously illegal. If he just asked 'I need to use your car' , then the brother would not have known of any illegal activity involving his car, so he would not have committed any crime.

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I am starting to think that CSW knew all along that he had no to way win and it was all just a plot to profit from shorting both BTC and BCH. Anyone else?

Cost: A few millions.

Potential Profit: Tens or even hundred of millions.

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Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 11:36:39 AM

Quote from: gentlemand on November 19, 2018, 11:32:00 AM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 11:18:12 AM

CSW is putting millions of his own dollars mining at a loss for SV. While Roger and ABC just borrow hash from BTC pool when they need it

He/You probably has about $500 to his/your name. Everything else is borrowed from his/your special friend. He won't be getting anything back either.

Another core troll I smell, hows segwit working out for ya and BTC?

Hows the btrash price working out for ya..your shitcoin going way down

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Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 11:36:39 AM

Another core troll I smell, hows segwit working out for ya and BTC?

Spiffing. Just sent a SegshitcoreborgstreamAxaBilderbergLizard tx and it worked fine.

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Quote from: bitcoinPsycho on November 19, 2018, 12:27:36 PM

Must cut out the Bcash cancer for the sake of crypto . This is not a drill Angry

The Bcash community has always been toxic. They have hated on Bitcoin for months and played a big part in ruining the crypto market. When Bitcoin goes down, it takes everything else with it, including Bcash. So it is kind of stupid to hate on Bitcoin knowing that it will have an adverse effect on the value of your own project. They have been warned about this for months, but they wouldn't listen. Now they are reaping what they have sown. And we are all paying for it. I hope the BCH community has learned something from this. Hopefully, they will learn to get along with others in this space and stop being so hateful and divisive.

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Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 11:36:39 AM

Quote from: gentlemand on November 19, 2018, 11:32:00 AM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 11:18:12 AM

CSW is putting millions of his own dollars mining at a loss for SV. While Roger and ABC just borrow hash from BTC pool when they need it

He/You probably has about $500 to his/your name. Everything else is borrowed from his/your special friend. He won't be getting anything back either.

Another core troll I smell, hows segwit working out for ya and BTC?

Must cut out the Bcash cancer for the sake of crypto . This is not a drill Angry

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Quote from: gentlemand on November 19, 2018, 11:32:00 AM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 11:18:12 AM

CSW is putting millions of his own dollars mining at a loss for SV. While Roger and ABC just borrow hash from BTC pool when they need it

He/You probably has about $500 to his/your name. Everything else is borrowed from his/your special friend. He won't be getting anything back either.

Another core troll I smell, hows segwit working out for ya and BTC?

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Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 11:18:12 AM

CSW is putting millions of his own dollars mining at a loss for SV. While Roger and ABC just borrow hash from BTC pool when they need it

He/You probably has about $500 to his/your name. Everything else is borrowed from his/your special friend. He won't be getting anything back either.

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Quote from: boomboom on November 19, 2018, 05:59:59 AM

Can someone explain reasoning behind why CSW believes ABC changes would make BCH illegal, has he spelled out in detail what the problem is?

DSV is what makes bitcoin (BCH) illegal.

https://ambcrypto.com/bitcoin-cash-bch-proponent-dsv-changes-it-from-being-something-that-is-effectively-legal/

https://bitcoinprice.media/how-dsv-seeks-to-criminalize-the-bitcoin-bch-blockchain.html

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Quote from: cool4y on November 19, 2018, 05:16:38 AM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on November 18, 2018, 12:24:47 PM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 18, 2018, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on November 18, 2018, 12:15:19 PM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 18, 2018, 12:11:41 PM

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Quote from: valthomas on November 18, 2018, 11:45:52 AM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on November 18, 2018, 11:23:25 AM

^, No ,
Craig had planned to steal users funds.."sunken treasure"
Craig wanted to make users pay more than once to store info on the blockchain...
This is why Craig wont make a new coin, he cant build and he would have nothing to steal...

Craig would have destroyed everything we have all worked hard to create...

If you think craig is Satoshi..you are a shill or stupid.

ok who said he was Satoshi?

I said if you think it...

Not saying you said it,
But many sv supporters say it...including Craig lol

Do you have any facts to dispute the facts found in the Kleiman Vs. Wright court documents?

No, i dont need them to make think he is Satoshi...
I know he is NOT Satoshi....

My point exactly, you stay in la la land buddy

Your the one thats lost....good luck helping shill for Craig, your only making a fool of yourself.

This bizarre has war of the bcash forks ABC and SV is draining the blood of the whole crypto market. I can't see any winners here, it's complete nonsense. The miners of the both chains are incurring tremendous losses on daily basis.

CSW is putting millions of his own dollars mining at a loss for SV. While Roger and ABC just borrow hash from BTC pool when they need it

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Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 19, 2018, 11:02:23 AM

Quote from: xhomerx10 on November 19, 2018, 02:16:22 AM

Icutgrass205 seems to use a lot of misplaced commas.

See bolded. Wink

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 17, 2018, 12:21:37 PM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 17, 2018, 11:36:14 AM

Supply and demand, people wont be buying BTC when they realize there is a major routing flaw with the lightning network, and that it can't scale globally. You gonna pay ridiculously high fees to send your BTC back and forth? No miners=no bitcoin its that simple, why would anyone in their right mind keep mining a dead coin at a profit loss.

That's pretty funny, really. It is a question you and Calvin should be asking yourselves right this moment.

The core trolls are too many to count, would you like me to link you several sources that prove BTC is no longer bitcoin? I hope you don't plan on holding btc in the years to come

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Quote from: presduterte on November 19, 2018, 02:43:45 AM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 19, 2018, 12:08:11 AM

Remember also that a lot of the hash power on ABC is rented hash power from btc mining pools. SV can scale for the world, and as for the hash rate. Squire mining will supposedly be releasing new asics next year that are 50% more efficient than anything on the market. That could be rumor though, I guess only time will tell.

Frankly it doesn't matter if SV has more hash rate at this point. It's already lost the battle. It will be its own coin. The exchanges aren't about to backtrack on their decisions -- there's no need. They're comfortable with ABC being BCH. Nobody wants anything to do with Crag's fork of an altcoin. He's revealed himself to be a whiny little bitch. Now he's resorting to threatening lawsuits -- the sign of a true loser. You can argue with me until you're blue in the face, and I have but one word for you: scoreboard.

http://hashwars.cash/

You can troll on these threads all you want, but SV will win in the long run. You think that BCHABC will be able to function illegally with DSV? Think again, the regulators are coming.

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Quote from: xhomerx10 on November 19, 2018, 02:16:22 AM

Icutgrass205 seems to use a lot of misplaced commas.

See bolded. Wink

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on November 17, 2018, 12:21:37 PM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 17, 2018, 11:36:14 AM

Supply and demand, people wont be buying BTC when they realize there is a major routing flaw with the lightning network, and that it can't scale globally. You gonna pay ridiculously high fees to send your BTC back and forth? No miners=no bitcoin its that simple, why would anyone in their right mind keep mining a dead coin at a profit loss.

That's pretty funny, really. It is a question you and Calvin should be asking yourselves right this moment.

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Quote from: boomboom on November 19, 2018, 05:59:59 AM

Can someone explain reasoning behind why CSW believes ABC changes would make BCH illegal, has he spelled out in detail what the problem is?

You can read his own words in all their idiotic glory here:

https://medium.com/@craig_10243/drugs-fraud-and-murder-ddf12208ae8b

Basically he claims that by introducing an oracle-capable OP code Bitcoin Cash can be used for gambling, the Silk Road 2.0 and even murder-for-hire services. It's all bullshit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9vxc7w/illegal_gambling_futures_markets_on_murder_and/

Perhaps most ironically he doesn't mind that his #1 partner Calvin Ayre made his fortune from running a gambling site, Bodog.

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Can someone explain reasoning behind why CSW believes ABC changes would make BCH illegal, has he spelled out in detail what the problem is?

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Quote from: cool4y on November 19, 2018, 05:16:38 AM

This bizarre has war of the bcash forks ABC and SV is draining the blood of the whole crypto market. I can't see any winners here, it's complete nonsense. The miners of the both chains are incurring tremendous losses on daily basis.

Ver and Wright are seemingly sacrificing what remaining credibility they might have had with the crypto community to battle one another. It seems to be a war of egos more than anything else. But I concur: not good for crypto. It's a lose/lose/lose.

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Quote from: Mrpumperitis on November 18, 2018, 12:24:47 PM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 18, 2018, 12:22:17 PM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on November 18, 2018, 12:15:19 PM

Quote from: Icutgrass205 on November 18, 2018, 12:11:41 PM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on November 18, 2018, 12:06:00 PM

Quote from: valthomas on November 18, 2018, 11:45:52 AM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on November 18, 2018, 11:23:25 AM

^, No ,
Craig had planned to steal users funds.."sunken treasure"
Craig wanted to make users pay more than once to store info on the blockchain...
This is why Craig wont make a new coin, he cant build and he would have nothing to steal...

Craig would have destroyed everything we have all worked hard to create...

If you think craig is Satoshi..you are a shill or stupid.

ok who said he was Satoshi?

I said if you think it...

Not saying you said it,
But many sv supporters say it...including Craig lol

Do you have any facts to dispute the facts found in the Kleiman Vs. Wright court documents?

No, i dont need them to make think he is Satoshi...
I know he is NOT Satoshi....

My point exactly, you stay in la la land buddy

Your the one thats lost....good luck helping shill for Craig, your only making a fool of yourself.

This bizarre has war of the bcash forks ABC and SV is draining the blood of the whole crypto market. I can't see any winners here, it's complete nonsense. The miners of the both chains are incurring tremendous losses on daily basis.

hv_

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Quote from: jbreher on November 18, 2018, 01:33:57 PM

Quote from: presduterte on November 18, 2018, 08:58:33 AM

Quote from: satoshi on June 17, 2010, 01:46:08 PM

The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime...

So 'splain me The SegWit Omnibus Changeset then?

The funny part is that Bitcoin Cash in the form of SV is the closest thing to a Bitcoin Protocol 0.1 that we've had in almost a decade.

Yes, and maybe the only legal soon since it is 100% following the WP and the financial terms and conditions of its purpose.

All other add-on-coins might badly run into regulatory issues.

Inform first, before entering financial markets - strongest controlled field on the planet.

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