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Topic: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees - page 88. (Read 704506 times)

jr. member
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Bitcoin is today what the internet was decades ago
It seems to me that many in the crypto space could benefit from learning how important scaleability is. I'll keep it as short and sweet as i can. The foundation of the bitcoin network are the miners, miners keep the chain secure while processing transactions and adding blocks to the chain. Miners have skin in the game, if there is no profitability, they dont mine. No miners means no chain security, or transaction processing, miners need profitability to keep bitcoin alive. When the next halving hits, it is a 50% cut on their profits, in order to make up for this there needs to be double the amount of transactions coming in so that miners can continue staying in profit from large quantities of low fees. Why low fees you ask? Because no one is going to pay an absurd amount of a fee to send coin from one place to the other, the best solution is to grow the number of transactions with different rates of fees, this opens the range of profitability for miners. IF BITCOIN DOES NOT SCALE, and TRANSACTION VOLUME DOES NOT INCREASE BY AT LEAST 2X BEFORE THE NEXT HALVING, IT IS GAME OVER FOR BITCOIN. Why? Because the miners will be out of business, no miners=no bitcoin. BTC segwit can no longer scale and we will see that in the coming years, BCH can scale, but not if idiots like ABC get to do whatever the hell they want to the protocol, which btw right now their goal is to implement WHC/plasma, and hundreds of shitcoins.

Did I get that right?

No, you didn't. 

You left out the fact that the price also naturally rises to make the block reward profitable.  We've already seen that happen twice as block rewards have halved.

Supply and demand, people wont be buying BTC when they realize there is a major routing flaw with the lightning network, and that it can't scale globally. You gonna pay ridiculously high fees to send your BTC back and forth? No miners=no bitcoin its that simple, why would anyone in their right mind keep mining a dead coin at a profit loss.

That's pretty funny, really.  It is a question you and Calvin should be asking yourselves right this moment. Smiley

Well, we wouldn't be in this situation if ABC would stop trying to add uneeded changes to the protocol every 6 months. SV=p2p electronic cash that scales on chain, ABC=WHC/PLASMA, PoS, and shitcoins. Oh and if you think btc will scale globablly, im afraid not my friend. Lightning network as a severe routing problem, GL with it in a few years Smiley
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
It seems to me that many in the crypto space could benefit from learning how important scaleability is. I'll keep it as short and sweet as i can. The foundation of the bitcoin network are the miners, miners keep the chain secure while processing transactions and adding blocks to the chain. Miners have skin in the game, if there is no profitability, they dont mine. No miners means no chain security, or transaction processing, miners need profitability to keep bitcoin alive. When the next halving hits, it is a 50% cut on their profits, in order to make up for this there needs to be double the amount of transactions coming in so that miners can continue staying in profit from large quantities of low fees. Why low fees you ask? Because no one is going to pay an absurd amount of a fee to send coin from one place to the other, the best solution is to grow the number of transactions with different rates of fees, this opens the range of profitability for miners. IF BITCOIN DOES NOT SCALE, and TRANSACTION VOLUME DOES NOT INCREASE BY AT LEAST 2X BEFORE THE NEXT HALVING, IT IS GAME OVER FOR BITCOIN. Why? Because the miners will be out of business, no miners=no bitcoin. BTC segwit can no longer scale and we will see that in the coming years, BCH can scale, but not if idiots like ABC get to do whatever the hell they want to the protocol, which btw right now their goal is to implement WHC/plasma, and hundreds of shitcoins.

Did I get that right?

No, you didn't. 

You left out the fact that the price also naturally rises to make the block reward profitable.  We've already seen that happen twice as block rewards have halved.

Supply and demand, people wont be buying BTC when they realize there is a major routing flaw with the lightning network, and that it can't scale globally. You gonna pay ridiculously high fees to send your BTC back and forth? No miners=no bitcoin its that simple, why would anyone in their right mind keep mining a dead coin at a profit loss.

That's pretty funny, really.  It is a question you and Calvin should be asking yourselves right this moment. Smiley
legendary
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Anybody have info when blockchain will credit users account with forked coins. I dropped the support ticket too but no answer on release of new coins it looking people will miss the chance to sell their coins at high price.
You should wait for their confirmation, seem like the Team really Bussy for preparing the forked coins. To be honest this its just a stupid fork. Even CEO from Binance want to finish this stupid fork  Grin
jr. member
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Bitcoin is today what the internet was decades ago
BCHSV=p2p electronic cash for the world that can scale on chain
hero member
Activity: 1834
Merit: 639
*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
No sv block explorer ....no sv.

That's not the way it works.
Grin Tongue 

No sv community...no sv  Wink
 


BSV4LIFE #CULTOFCRAIG =) WEEEEEE
newbie
Activity: 78
Merit: 0
No sv block explorer ....no sv.

That's not the way it works.
Grin Tongue 

No sv community...no sv  Wink
 


doesnot need community becasue thinks he will win and control bch in the future
hero member
Activity: 1834
Merit: 639
*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
jr. member
Activity: 98
Merit: 4
Bitcoin is today what the internet was decades ago
It seems to me that many in the crypto space could benefit from learning how important scaleability is. I'll keep it as short and sweet as i can. The foundation of the bitcoin network are the miners, miners keep the chain secure while processing transactions and adding blocks to the chain. Miners have skin in the game, if there is no profitability, they dont mine. No miners means no chain security, or transaction processing, miners need profitability to keep bitcoin alive. When the next halving hits, it is a 50% cut on their profits, in order to make up for this there needs to be double the amount of transactions coming in so that miners can continue staying in profit from large quantities of low fees. Why low fees you ask? Because no one is going to pay an absurd amount of a fee to send coin from one place to the other, the best solution is to grow the number of transactions with different rates of fees, this opens the range of profitability for miners. IF BITCOIN DOES NOT SCALE, and TRANSACTION VOLUME DOES NOT INCREASE BY AT LEAST 2X BEFORE THE NEXT HALVING, IT IS GAME OVER FOR BITCOIN. Why? Because the miners will be out of business, no miners=no bitcoin. BTC segwit can no longer scale and we will see that in the coming years, BCH can scale, but not if idiots like ABC get to do whatever the hell they want to the protocol, which btw right now their goal is to implement WHC/plasma, and hundreds of shitcoins.

Did I get that right?

No, you didn't. 

You left out the fact that the price also naturally rises to make the block reward profitable.  We've already seen that happen twice as block rewards have halved.

Supply and demand, people wont be buying BTC when they realize there is a major routing flaw with the lightning network, and that it can't scale globally. You gonna pay ridiculously high fees to send your BTC back and forth? No miners=no bitcoin its that simple, why would anyone in their right mind keep mining a dead coin at a profit loss.
jr. member
Activity: 98
Merit: 4
Bitcoin is today what the internet was decades ago
Your fork is currently 40 blocks behind ABC. Doesn't matter how you were defeated, fact is, you were defeated. The polite thing to do would be to throw in the towel and admit defeat. Though I'm certain this is an impossibility for you.

You must be new to blockchains, let me simplify it for you. The hash war is not over until one side quits, the longest chain wins buddy. Just because ABC got a burst of hashrate from roger switching his btc mining pool to bch, doesnt mean they will sustain that hash rate in the long run. It cost him a fuck load of money to do that

You seem to be even newer to blockchains. The "hash war" IS over. There are now 2 non-compatible chains that will be in existence for as long as people keep mining on them. The war is over because ABC won the the support of the community and the industry. You really think people are going to actually use SV for anything other than to flex their ego at this point? Especially after CSW's temper tantrums and demonstrations of lunacy? If so, you're clearly delusional. People were already barely using BCH; this latest stunt just insured the further irrelevance of both sides.

The war is not over dummy, longest chain wins plain and simple. It will keep going until one side quits, how hard is that for you to understand?
full member
Activity: 434
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Bitcoin Cash SV Blockexplorer currently indexing. Won't be finished until Thanksgiving though.

https://prohashing.com/explorer/BitcoinCashSV/
full member
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Merit: 102
Anybody have info when blockchain will credit users account with forked coins. I dropped the support ticket too but no answer on release of new coins it looking people will miss the chance to sell their coins at high price.
newbie
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Bittrex-> BCH = ABC
Kraken-> BCH = ABC

hero member
Activity: 1666
Merit: 565
Sorry maybe i will make a question that has been asked yet: if i have my bch in my trezor, after the fork i will have both of the forked coins?

https://blog.trezor.io/bitcoin-cash-november-2018-hard-fork-advisory-ee2a444f5a21
I still do not understand, you can say more clearly. I have 100 BCH in Trezor purse. After falling 3, what will I get?


if i've understood well the previous kind replies, you will have, after the fork, 100 BCH abc and 100 BCH BSV (Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision)
Anyway, too many fork in my hopinion Sad

This is part that I am not certain about, if he/she has before the fork 100 bch then after the fork would he have 100 bchabc, 100 bchsv and 100 bch or would he have just 100 bchabc and 100 bchsv and bch no longer exists.

mmmm, no, you will have "only" two coins. The original bch will become 100 bch ABC.  It's like what happened when btc forks and bch has born..
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 1660
lose: unfind ... loose: untight
sr. member
Activity: 826
Merit: 263
There is NO sv coin...There is no BCH coin.. these Jackass's have forked themselves up their own backsides.. anybody who held BCH through this debacle is regretting it..
great time to buy BCH now, coreans have waited a long time for $250 BCH  Wink


theoretically you're right, in practice I'm quite confused because of the heavy losses of the last days. We'll see.
hero member
Activity: 1068
Merit: 523
Is any exchange trading Bstash yet?

https://bstash.org/


wtf, bstash is a BCH fork with replay protection & merged mining .... why aren't the masses of undecided jumping on bstash ?

Looks like Bstash is the best of ABC & SV, back to the Bitcoin whitepaper but without wormhole tokens, and community based without billionaires (on both sides) telling everyone what to do.

I would prefer using komodo delayed proof of work, dPoW , over merged mining though, dPoW periodically notarizes to bitcoin, so after about 20 blocks the notarized blockchain ends up effectively having bitcoin level PoW securing it. If only ABC devs read more widely they could have added dPoW to their chain for about 500 USD per year, and avoided 'checkpoints'

Bstash could do ok, need to know more about the devs, what skill level, and how committed.
jr. member
Activity: 160
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There is NO sv coin...There is no BCH coin.. these Jackass's have forked themselves up their own backsides.. anybody who held BCH through this debacle is regretting it..
legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 1075
There is NO sv coin...
legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 1075
If you still have sv, get out of asap

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/9xswvm/bchsv_now_has_over_50_network_hashrate/
tcrypt
OpenBazaar
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The public SV chain vs the public ABC chain has nothing to do with checkpoints. The SV chain is incompatible with ABC rules and no matter how much work they have their chain won't be valid for ABC nodes. Checkpoints only matter if there is a hidden chain building a reorg attack against the ABC chain.

If SV is ahead of ABC by 10 blocks it affects nothing. For one, cumulative work matters not block height and secondly even if SV was close to overtaking ABC by work (and they're not close at all) it wouldn't matter to ABC clients because they don't see that chain as valid. Same reason they don't follow the BTC chain.


newbie
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Is any exchange trading Bstash yet?

https://bstash.org/


wtf, bstash is a BCH fork with replay protection & merged mining .... why aren't the masses of undecided jumping on bstash ?
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