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Topic: [ANN] Bitcoin Litecoin Feathercoin. ALL PREMINED. Why pre-mining is needed!!! (Read 2509 times)

newbie
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Litecoin was not premined , http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-founder-charles-lee-on-the-origins-and-potential-of-the-worlds-second-largest-cryptocurrency/


good attempted to spread your FUD on the internet , you sir fail at life.

http://www.fantasypublishings.com/btcInfo/Alternate_cryptocurrencies/ANN_Litecoin__a_lite_version_of_Bitcoin_Launched_newPage18176.php


Litecoin will come with 150 premined coins: just the genesis block and the first 2 blocks to confirm the genesis is valid.  We believe a coin needs to be released in a fair manner.  Having one person (or a group) control a large amount of coins that can be used as they see fit is against the decentralized vision of Bitcoin.  Yes, it is true that without a stash of premined coins, we will not be able to afford to pay for bounties, but we believe people will see the virtue of this coin, invest in it as early adopters, and will be willing to spend time creating services to make this coin better.


So , your ranting isn't making any sense.
You're clearly swinging from one post to another , posting totally different arguments that contradict themselves but you're still thinking you're right.
Good luck with your premined quak or hoax.
hero member
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newbie
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If the ratio of premined coins to total coins is too big we run into big problems.
By the original satoshi white papers , the security of the netwrok is based on miners , and the revenue must be attractive enough to keep the network safe.

Now , we have altcoins that will offer very to little incentive to mine in the next years , with almost no transactions fees to compensate this.
Who will protect the network if the electricity bill is bigger than the revenue?
Right now the bitcoin network revenue from tx alone is 30000$.
How much is for any other alt?
newbie
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Comparing the BitCoin launch. Arguable the first launch of a cryptocurrency to get anywhere. To any subsequent cryptocoin launch is like comparing apples and oranges.

Justifying any premine on your coin by pointing to BitCoin is ridiculous. The entire landscape was completely different in terms of value, hardware, interest, acceptance, speculation, etc etc.

That said, a modest premine is totally fine for a plethora of reasons. But as others have said, Nothing more then 1-5%
newbie
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Dev for the altcoins?DEVS?What devs?

99% of all altcoins are 99% bitcoin clones.
There was no "developer" in the alt scene.
Bitcoin started from scratch , and it has the lowest number of coins mined every year to the total supply cap.
Altcoins grabbed the already developed code and mine 90% of the total in less than 6 months.

Don't even dare to compare!
sr. member
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Putting bitcoin to the same list with any other premined coin can't support a serious conversation about premining.
full member
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Dev does not deserve shit. By consensus yes, but not by any absolute moral right or any practical or technical necessity. If you have a pre-mined coin then you deserve it only by the virtue of consensus of the community around it. If you have failed to gather support for your pre-mine, then ,well, you have failed. What more is there to it?
full member
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helps pay developers
What developers? Everything is copied off bitcoin with some constants changed and occasionally the hashing algorithm changed.
Everything worth calling development has been done in bitcoin. Everything else was tweaking.
full member
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I can agree with that 110%  Cheesy And this thread was started to support Pre-Mining. Not to make it out to be a bad per say. There's alot of debate these days if Pre-Mining makes something a scam and to say that would be like saying Bitcoin Litecoin Feathercoin and IncaKoin for that matter were scams. And most of us can agree they are not. Pre-Mining is a way of paying developers and for development of a cryptocurrency. Would you want to work for free? I wouldn't expect people to. Its a way of paying for a creation that way no one gets shafted out of the whole deal.

Satoshi put a lot of work into bitcoin, it was the first of it's kind.  Most of these shit clones with premines don't do anything except make the developer money. Even most of the very innovative ones use most of bitcoins code. There's a couple that don't now but they still copy many concepts from bitcoin. If you have an innovative idea and want to apply it somewhere, usually all you have to do is ask for donations and people will donate in the thousands if they believe in your idea.


i personaly cant imagine, that satoshi would even think about changing btc for dollars, or any others of that scams, for simply getting a profit.

I don't think he would either, but if he did, I don't mind.  Satoshi spent an insane amount of time on bitcoin, long before it had real value.
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satoshi deserves every dollar he made.

i personaly cant imagine, that satoshi would even think about changing btc for dollars, or any others of that scams, for simply getting a profit.
full member
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Even if we go with your idea that bitcoin was premined (it wasn't), satoshi deserves every dollar he made. Let us not forget bitcoin is not a clone, it's what sparked a revolution.
hero member
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Pre-Mining..

Why oh Why does everyone get 'soooo' angry at the thought that someone who spent days/weeks/months working on a product(normally in a darkened room in a basement or cellar..), that he then gives to us all for free, keep back some of the WORTHLESS DIGITAL TOKENS at launch..

The TOKENS will ONLY be worth something if/when his coin starts to succeed.

This will take time/work. It will take someone to nurture the coin. Look after it. Post stuff about it.. etc etc..

The INCENTIVEs cannot be FAKED. Either the creator has a stake in the coin, and therefore cares about it at the 'oh-so-important' financial level, or he doesn't.

Would the miners be supporting the BTC network if they thought it was for the good of the World. I wish that were the case, but life just isn't like that. They do it for the money. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY - they do it well. They are committed, dedicated and organised. That is what the MONEY BRINGS..

I discuss this in my previous post... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-creators-cut-347611

Bottom line - I WANT THE CREATOR to be in on it. Not too much though. 1%, as I say, seems a fair amount to spur on development/bounties and keep the Creator unequivocally interested in his creation..

Let's cut them some slack.

No-one forces anything. You think the Coin is no good - DONT BUY INTO IT..

But bitching about imaginary tokens that may or may not be worth more than NOTHING, seems a bit tight..  Wink    
hero member
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Bitcoin pre mined about 6 or 7 days give or take. The current value of a 7 day pre mine of BTC $45,360,000 USD. 10 minutes x 6 blocks an hr. x 24 hours x 7 days x 50 Bitcoins a block. 504000 Bitcoins pre-mined. WTF over?!?!

Sad incakoin dev/pr. You can't even get your facts right.

Sad Bitcoin dev/pr. You can't even get your facts right.

I wish was a bitcoin dev/pr.

Get your facts straight and then argue for them. You don't have a leg to stand on in these forums.
hero member
Activity: 756
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Bitcoin pre mined about 6 or 7 days give or take. The current value of a 7 day pre mine of BTC $45,360,000 USD. 10 minutes x 6 blocks an hr. x 24 hours x 7 days x 50 Bitcoins a block. 504000 Bitcoins pre-mined. WTF over?!?!

Sad incakoin dev/pr. You can't even get your facts right.
hero member
Activity: 756
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Bitcoin pre mined about 6 or 7 days give or take. The current value of a 7 day pre mine of BTC $45,360,000 USD. 10 minutes x 6 blocks an hr. x 24 hours x 7 days x 50 Bitcoins a block. 504000 Bitcoins pre-mined. WTF over?!?!

Nice try.

Use the market value when it was launched, not now, after 4 years.

How many coin did you pre-mine for incakoin? Why won't you include it in the title?

And 500k bitcoins weren't pre-mined. You can check in the blockchain but I doubt you have the mental capacity to do so.

Just because you are late to the party makes you bitter doesn't mean you can scam with your incakoin.
hero member
Activity: 756
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Bitcoin pre mined about 6 or 7 days give or take. The current value of a 7 day pre mine of BTC $45,360,000 USD. 10 minutes x 6 blocks an hr. x 24 hours x 7 days x 50 Bitcoins a block. 504000 Bitcoins pre-mined. WTF over?!?!


Nice try.

Use the market value when it was launched, not now, after 4 years.

How many coin did you pre-mine for incakoin? Why won't you include it in the title?

And 500k bitcoins weren't pre-mined. You can check in the blockchain but I doubt you have the mental capacity to do so.

Just because you are late to the party makes you bitter doesn't mean you can scam with your incakoin.
hero member
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So what Bitcoin is associated with Murder for Hire, Money Laundering, Conspiracy of Drug trafficking, and a dozen other federal offenses. Bitcoin is the fucking most crooked piece of shit digital currency ever used by low lifes and pieces of shit like you asshole @ r3animation

So you're still not going to put your coin, Incakoin in the thread title since it's one of the most pre-mined coins in existence?

By the way, did you ever pay out in your hack Incakoin challenge? I know your coin had to be hard-forked. Wasn't it $5k to someone here in the forums?

hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
Bitcoin pre mined about 6 or 7 days give or take. The current value of a 7 day pre mine of BTC $45,360,000 USD. 10 minutes x 6 blocks an hr. x 24 hours x 7 days x 50 Bitcoins a block. 504000 Bitcoins pre-mined. WTF over?!?!


Nice try.

Use the market value when it was launched, not now, after 4 years.

How many coin did you pre-mine for incakoin? Why won't you include it in the title?

And 500k bitcoins weren't pre-mined. You can check in the blockchain but I doubt you have the mental capacity to do so.

Just because you are late to the party makes you bitter doesn't mean you can scam with your incakoin.

Why don't you read subject of this post SHIT FOR BRAINS. Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Litecoin Feathercoin. ALL PREMINED. Why pre-mining is needed!!!

Then why don't you put your precious incakoin in the thread title? It was only pre-mined for more then 3 weeks making it one of the worst offenders in pre-mining digital currency history.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
Bitcoin pre mined about 6 or 7 days give or take. The current value of a 7 day pre mine of BTC $45,360,000 USD. 10 minutes x 6 blocks an hr. x 24 hours x 7 days x 50 Bitcoins a block. 504000 Bitcoins pre-mined. WTF over?!?!


Nice try.

Use the market value when it was launched, not now, after 4 years.

How many coin did you pre-mine for incakoin? Why won't you include it in the title?

And 500k bitcoins weren't pre-mined. You can check in the blockchain but I doubt you have the mental capacity to do so.

Just because you are late to the party makes you bitter doesn't mean you can scam with your incakoin.
hero member
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define premining. my guess is many will disagree with your post once you offer a definition.

His definition is: if he didn't know about it from day1, its premined Smiley

+1

He's trying to justify his 1 month of pre-mining on incakoin.

And no, BTC and LTC were not pre-mined. FTC was insta-mined not pre-mined.

Incakoin was definitely pre-mined.

Quote:quote from: Stephen Gornick
Hero Member
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(about bitcoin premine)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/historical-question-were-any-bitcoins-premined-if-so-how-many-160626

genesis block being created on January 3rd, 2009, and the first public release occurred less than a week after the genesis block was mined:

What is your definition of pre-mine? Why don't you put incakoin in the topic too?


This is my definition of pre-mine:




So why don't you put incakoin in the topic too?
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