Topic: [ANN] Bitcoin on Blueseed, the international waters startup ship - page 4. (Read 24394 times)

A parachute type sea anchor?


Really?  We're not talking about a car ferry, so it's really a water taxi that can seat roughly 30 people and their carry-on gear.  A vessel that large and faster than that is old hat.  Most large cities wrapped around a bay have one or more of these in their harbor already.

An accurate summary of my work history, prior to my current employment.

My viewpoints regarding seasteading are on this forum.

This project is "in my backyard" so to speak.  I am curious how they will address the myriad of problems that I see before them.  Hopefully, by identifying those problems now, they will have a better chance of fixing them cheaply.

You might notice that I have not (yet) said it won't work.  It is an interesting idea.  Depending on how well it is thought out, I might become more involved with it in the future.

If only to dock my sailboat and have a meal.  Their location is nice for spending time prior to an approach into the Golden Gate.

You should listen to this guy.  He used to generate electricity and make running hot and cold water, generate energy by pulling two large chunks of carefully designed, engineered and manufactured metal apart at extremely precise rates and amounts, maintain security of a nuclear submarine base, make warships invisible to radar, make sure that nuclear weapons would work when needed but only when needed, design lasers for weapons, test satellites before they were launched, fix robots that destroyed roadside bombs, and hold political office.

He's also figured out that Seasteading won't work, so you'll want to go ahead and put the brakes on all of this stuff.

Most important, you did not answer my question about docking facilities for my sailboat!!!  (Yes, it is a serious question)


I hope compliance is as easy as you foresee.  The degree of restrictions you may encounter might surprise you. 

For example, if you intend to moor your vessel (seems like it would be cheaper than constantly running propulsors to maintain position), you may encounter a requirement for "ecologically friendly" anchors.  This can be challenging since the folks making up the requirements are not necessarily the best judges of what is "ecologically friendly".  One proposal I am aware of suggested the anchors be made from granite instead of the more common iron. 

I am concerned about your "30 minute ferry" from Half Moon Bay.  That requires a ferry that travels an average of 24 knots.  Add in delays for clearing Half Mood Bay harbor and you are looking at a vessel that can transit some pretty rough water at 25+ knots.  Last time I was in Half Moon Bay it did not seem like a good place for a vessel that large.

You also indicate that the airport is part of your transportation plan.  I am not aware of any commercial airline providing service to Half Moon Bay.

Why are you not planning to tap into the existing telecom cable running through your selected area? See the referenced chart:

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/18680.shtml

Do you intend to be a transnational shipping point?  Your location just a few nautical miles west of the Southern Traffic lane separation plan coming out of San Francisco.

It will be interesting to see if you are successful.

Man, I really wish I could go to Bitcoin2013.... but with PorcFest (The Porcupine Freedom Festival in New Hampshire) coming up and expenses associated with that, I had to choose one or the other. In that case, PorcFest wins. Hopefully I can make it to Bitcoin2014 (if there is one).

Not at this stage. This TechCrunch article about Blueseed's first seed funding from Floodgate Fund (Mike Maples) and Correlation Ventures explains the situation in more detail.

If you think that seasteading is about getting the most bang for your buck when it comes to square footage of property, you are way off.

Hi Dan,

It all seems viable enough, you're doing some things right here:

1. WiFi air bridge/point to point connection - Cheap and fast.
2. Take advantage of Seasteading, the ability to move to an optimal location - and you chose to place BlueSeed in a very expensive
    neighborhood + you can provide looser visa restrictions.
3. Renting a ship - rather than trying to build/buy something which would likely kill your project.

So I have known about BlueSeed for like a year or more and been involved with seasteading myself and I'm basically just waiting to see you pull this off, the idea is sound enough.

So I guess all I can ask from another seasteader is this:
Any idea yet how to economically seastead the open oceans considering all the cheap farm land, deserts and cheap actual (albeit remote) islands?

Dan is Peter Thiel still involved in this idea?

We believe so as well. Blueseed is the first commercial seasteading venture, and the team has worked at The Seasteading Institute.


We have a donation address, 1BLSD1X13k8oifNo2bMh6eVmu1FiHAEmZw

We also take investments starting at $1k, in exchange for equity, via AngelList in partnership with SecondMarket. AngelList accepts only dollars though.

insurance duh.

thanks.

Very cool!
We'll be glad to list you in our catalog 
http://thebitcoincatalog.com/request-form/

Blueseed will be no worse, nor better, protected from unidentifiable attacks than any other naval vessel in international waters.  Admirality law applies in this context, and firing upon any ship flying a legally recognizable flag is an act of war.  That doesn't mean that it can't happen, but there are a number of less risky methods of undermining the Blueseed project than attacking the ship itself.  With the right kind of insurance coverage, sinking the ship won't even end the project.  Just make sure that the underwriting company is a major US corporation, so any losses that Blueseed takes can be translated directly into tax losses for the US tax base.

Looks interesting! Will read more on the site soon Oh and nice web design

im more worried about the US than anything else. Its US laws that this is attempting to circumvent.

the bluesseed wouldn't really need a way to stop this sort of attack, all they would need is a way to identify the attacker. If they could do that than i expect they would be perfectly safe.

Hi TomUnderSea (nice nickname :)


We're perfectly well aware of the location being in the Monterey Bay Marine Sanctuary, and that's discussed in the FAQ, along with the NOAA buoys, pictured on the map. I've added the link to the prohibitions, which if you read carefully, don't apply to us, since they're concerned with exploiting oil and gas resources, not harming marine mammals, not removing historical resources, several discharges "other than from a cruise ship". The only prohibition that applies to Blueseed is this:


Which is great, and easy to comply with. The environmental question is one we've examined carefully together with our environmental advisors (one of whom is a Nobel prize co-laureate).

As for the graphics reflecting the ocean conditions, I've added an FAQ entry,
http://blueseed.co/faq/#charter

http://blueseed.co/media/Cloudmade_map_with_ship_buoys_distance_and_international_waters line.png

Hi Dan! Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions directly.

The most obvious question I'm sure you'll need to answer at bitcoin2013 is: what currency will be dominant onboard? Will items in the shops there, such as food, be denominated in USD but BTC is just as welcome/preferred? Will companies use BTC to trade between each other for B2B services?

It should go without saying that if you could somehow make BTC the Primary currency onboard, blueseed would be doing bitcoin a HUGE service to help stabilize and legitimize the fledgling currency.

The prospect that interests me the most here is about a possible tenant onboard offering bitcoin services like an exchange to rival MtGox. (Or something even more shady, like Casino.) Assuming you have no problems with energy nor internet connections, I wonder if there are any bitcoin-central business models that would have an advantage in that environment?

Best of luck to you and the boat. I hope to visit it myself.

A submarine coming into US waters shooting a torpedo at a ship flying a US flag?

I think someone would have something to say about that.

Edit: It appears that they will be using a more freedom friendly nation for their flag. But they are still within the US's EEZ.

Oh.

Last question.

Will there be a place to tie up my sailboat while I visit the restaurant / gambling casino?

You might also want to make sure your graphics reflect the actual expected conditions of your planned location.

Here is a link to the point forecast for your advertised location
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?w0=t&w1=td&w2=hi&w3=sfcwind&w3u=0&w4=sky&w5=pop&w6=rh&w9=swlp&w10=swlm&w11=swlp2&w12=swlm2&w13=wwh&w14=wvh&w15=fzgspy&AheadHour=0&Submit=Submit&FcstType=graphical&textField1=37.46500&textField2=-122.76000&site=all&unit=0&dd=0&bw=0&marine=1

Here is a link to the nearest meto buoy.

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=46012

Here is a link to the Climatic Summary Plot for peak wind gust:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/view_climplot.php?station=46012&meas=pw

And finally significant wave heights:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/view_climplot.php?station=46012&meas=wh

The pretty pictures on your website do no justice to the wind, temperatures and sea state 12 nm off the coast of CA.

It would be good to not end up like these guys who were racing around the Farallon Islands.