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sr. member
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Dig your freedom
Are the bitfury chips ready? i mean packaged and all?
LOL:)
intron
No offend, but:
1 - How we can be sure that there are more than a few hundred partially efficient chips (2,3GH/s instead 5Gh/s) cut out of from center test wafer?
2 - Do we have any guarantee that TSMC this year let Bitfurry on their already heavily loaded production lines?
3 - In my opinion all money from preorder go to corrections that must be made ​​to the chip. Than start small quantity test wafers. Unless Bitfury wants to introduce the production of something that had passed with the assumptions for more than 50%.
And if it is so weak performance whether for a few months, these chips will still work? Were the tests performed life-time chip in extremely adverse conditions to determine how quickly degrades structure?
Its very impressive start very risk development so high (55nm) and get working chip. And I am not speaking here against this project, but before invest will see what I'm dealing with.

1 - We've tested many chips so far (they all come mixed together, no sorting) and have found the yield to be outstanding. We have enough chips in hand to satisfy all orders.
2 - We don't work with TSMC. UMC is our foundry. We already have orders in place for next batch of chips and have no reason to believe that it would be delayed.
3 - We didn't go the MPW route. We went with full mask-set and produced a chip that works just as we expected this to. Hence we had a large engineering run, that was successful and can also be (and is in the process of being) deployed.

Thank you for your professional response.
Did you plan correction on metal layer for improve performance ?
Why we can't buy July chip delivery on EU distribution ? On US page  You can still order for 10 units for July.
hero member
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Are the bitfury chips ready? i mean packaged and all?
LOL:)
intron
No offend, but:
1 - How we can be sure that there are more than a few hundred partially efficient chips (2,3GH/s instead 5Gh/s) cut out of from center test wafer?
2 - Do we have any guarantee that TSMC this year let Bitfurry on their already heavily loaded production lines?
3 - In my opinion all money from preorder go to corrections that must be made ​​to the chip. Than start small quantity test wafers. Unless Bitfury wants to introduce the production of something that had passed with the assumptions for more than 50%.
And if it is so weak performance whether for a few months, these chips will still work? Were the tests performed life-time chip in extremely adverse conditions to determine how quickly degrades structure?
Its very impressive start very risk development so high (55nm) and get working chip. And I am not speaking here against this project, but before invest will see what I'm dealing with.

1 - We've tested many chips so far (they all come mixed together, no sorting) and have found the yield to be outstanding. We have enough chips in hand to satisfy all orders.
2 - We don't work with TSMC. UMC is our foundry. We already have orders in place for next batch of chips and have no reason to believe that it would be delayed.
3 - We didn't go the MPW route. We went with full mask-set and produced a chip that works just as we expected this to. Hence we had a large engineering run, that was successful and can also be (and is in the process of being) deployed.
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Congratulations on the ASIC guys - I'm glad it worked right first time - the thought of the NRE costs makes me shudder!

It's also very nice to see a project on this continent - I just hope the Euro is still around in October!

 
legendary
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Sorry Smiley lol Smiley I mean chips that will be soldered onto the August boards Wink
Having been bitten by another ASIC vendor, I wanted to exercise caution.

BTW is  this feature still present in the chip?
Code:
1) the chips have a build in power management / leveling system that we want to use (to save on power and additional pcb components: to power the boards and a string/series of chips with let's say 7.2V directly)  ... this is a crazy idea and we have to check if this works (we must avoid resonance buildup and power voltage osculations) before ordering many boards [[ comments here are very welcome !!! :-) ]]

Yes, this feature is built-in on chip. We are currently testing this feature.

Can you give us some info how is this working, or at least how it should? Do you have some documentation from bitfury that you can share with us?
I'm very curious about this feature but don't see how this can have effect on reducing BOM list. DC/DC is still neede but with less amperage that's obvious, but you need level translators between chips and propably another DC/DC converters to IOVDD. Or I'm missing something?

EDIT:
I think that I've resolved a puzzle Wink Key to this is IOREF pin.
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Chips for July delivery are already out there, check the american sales thread an that.
sr. member
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Are the bitfury chips ready? i mean packaged and all?

LOL:)


intron
No offend, but:
1 -  How we can be sure that there are more than a few hundred partially efficient chips (2,3GH/s instead 5Gh/s) cut out of from center test wafer?
2 - Do we have any guarantee that TSMC this year let Bitfurry on their already heavily loaded production lines?
3 - In my opinion all money from preorder go to corrections that must be made ​​to the chip. Than start small quantity test wafers. Unless Bitfury wants to introduce the production of something that had passed with the assumptions for more than 50%.
And if it is so weak performance whether for a few months, these chips will still work? Were the tests performed life-time chip in extremely adverse conditions to determine how quickly degrades structure?
Its very impressive start very risk development so high (55nm) and get working chip. And I am not speaking here against this project, but before invest will see what I'm dealing with.

I'm sure that a lot people will want to see more data on them working and we will do our small part here to move that forward. However it is worth saying that the initial results by people, that have prototypes, have shown a power efficiency miles better than BFL. So even if these chips are only run at 1-2 GH/s per chip it gives a good power figure and a high packing potential. If 5 GH/s is achieved that is a big bonus.

sr. member
Activity: 259
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Dig your freedom
Are the bitfury chips ready? i mean packaged and all?

LOL:)


intron
No offend, but:
1 -  How we can be sure that there are more than a few hundred partially efficient chips (2,3GH/s instead 5Gh/s) cut out of from center test wafer?
2 - Do we have any guarantee that TSMC this year let Bitfurry on their already heavily loaded production lines?
3 - In my opinion all money from preorder go to corrections that must be made ​​to the chip. Than start small quantity test wafers. Unless Bitfury wants to introduce the production of something that had passed with the assumptions for more than 50%.
And if it is so weak performance whether for a few months, these chips will still work? Were the tests performed life-time chip in extremely adverse conditions to determine how quickly degrades structure?
Its very impressive start very risk development so high (55nm) and get working chip. And I am not speaking here against this project, but before invest will see what I'm dealing with.
legendary
Activity: 1946
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Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
Sorry Smiley lol Smiley I mean chips that will be soldered onto the August boards Wink
Having been bitten by another ASIC vendor, I wanted to exercise caution.

BTW is  this feature still present in the chip?
Code:
1) the chips have a build in power management / leveling system that we want to use (to save on power and additional pcb components: to power the boards and a string/series of chips with let's say 7.2V directly)  ... this is a crazy idea and we have to check if this works (we must avoid resonance buildup and power voltage osculations) before ordering many boards [[ comments here are very welcome !!! :-) ]]

Yes, this feature is built-in on chip. We are currently testing this feature.
Okay if it works, even lower BOM Smiley Maybe it can be implemented on rev 2 H-boards for October delivery.
hero member
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Sorry Smiley lol Smiley I mean chips that will be soldered onto the August boards Wink
Having been bitten by another ASIC vendor, I wanted to exercise caution.

BTW is  this feature still present in the chip?
Code:
1) the chips have a build in power management / leveling system that we want to use (to save on power and additional pcb components: to power the boards and a string/series of chips with let's say 7.2V directly)  ... this is a crazy idea and we have to check if this works (we must avoid resonance buildup and power voltage osculations) before ordering many boards [[ comments here are very welcome !!! :-) ]]

Yes, this feature is built-in on chip. We are currently testing this feature.
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1006
Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
Sorry Smiley lol Smiley I mean chips that will be soldered onto the August boards Wink
Having been bitten by another ASIC vendor, I wanted to exercise caution.

BTW is  this feature still present in the chip?
Code:
1) the chips have a build in power management / leveling system that we want to use (to save on power and additional pcb components: to power the boards and a string/series of chips with let's say 7.2V directly)  ... this is a crazy idea and we have to check if this works (we must avoid resonance buildup and power voltage osculations) before ordering many boards [[ comments here are very welcome !!! :-) ]]
sr. member
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Are the bitfury chips ready? i mean packaged and all?

LOL:)



intron
legendary
Activity: 1946
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Bitcoin / Crypto mining Hardware.
Are the bitfury chips ready? i mean packaged and all?
hero member
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Hooray for non-equilibrium thermodynamics!
i heard punin got a very big email queue of support questions , several 100 emails.

So i would suggest to give him some time to catch up.

regards

Yes, this sounds right. We sent a question in a while ago and it took a little while to get a reply, but punin did get back to us with full answers to our questions. I'm sure he'll get back to you when he can.
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i heard punin got a very big email queue of support questions , several 100 emails.

So i would suggest to give him some time to catch up.

regards
sr. member
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hmmm ...

I'm experiencing long delays between, my payment over BitPay and the order status update from pending to processing (waiting over 10h) (2 tickets no answer)

One question that is still unanswered ... what about the VAT expenses that are falsely cleared on orders to switzerland or other non-EU countrys?

...
hero member
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Hey guys, just made a first custom housing design, take a look here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2723873

regards

Foofighter looks nice Smiley some people have suggested a few options on your OP. But that is a great start.

Hey guys,  more feedback would be nice - will send the first inquiries to manufacturers on Thursday.

hope I could include all your wishes in the first run, of course changes are possible at every time.

regards
legendary
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When to expect August delivery starter kits ?

AFTER they get the chips ... lets hope avalon will keep their word

This is bitfury, not Avalon  Wink

My bad ! Cheesy
sr. member
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I have a suspicion atm they might arrive before avalons......wouldn't that be a kicker lol Cheesy
legendary
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When to expect August delivery starter kits ?

AFTER they get the chips ... lets hope avalon will keep their word

This is bitfury, not Avalon  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1003
When to expect August delivery starter kits ?

AFTER they get the chips ... lets hope avalon will keep their word
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