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Topic: [ANN]🌀 Blur Network(BLUR) 🌀 | PoW Cryptonight-Dynamic | CPU/Solo Mining | DPoW - page 21. (Read 41328 times)

newbie
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What's the difference between this coin and the one it's forked from (Nerva)?  Someone correct me but the only thing I can see so far is that this coin has a premine whereas Nerva didn't.

If you have 2 coins that are essentially exactly the same - because Blur's code is Nerva copypasta - why not pick the original coin without a premine instead of the copycat *with* a premine?

If there is actually anything new here and it's not just a really shitty coder copying someone else's work and selling it to stupid people so he can dump his premine I'll dedicate a few Ryzens to mining it.

So, what's the difference?

Biggest differences are emission speed is (20) - that's an exponent - and total supply is cut in half vs Monero's 18.4M (9.2233M).... those variables are present in the equation (Block Reward)=((9223300000000000000)-(Available Supply)*10^12)*2^-20*10^-12).

The values in Nervas code are 18 (a good bit faster) and 18.4M, respectively. You're mistaken about the pre-mine as well -- that is present in both projects.



OK, cool.  So you're right about the premine.  It was months ago that I read the Nerva announcement and I jumbled that information with another coin, so apologies.

You didn't delete my somewhat negative comment so kudos to you.  That was half of my test to see if you were legit (in my eyes).

So currently at least you feel the major - and perhaps only difference - between Nerva and Blur is the block rewards as neither your project nor Nerva have mentioned other focuses yet (which is fine, getting a truly CPU-bound algorithm down is enough to put someone into top 50 CMC after a few years).  I'll add a little hashpower to your network, though I am still *more* interested in Nerva but I am open to having you change my mind.

I would like to bring up that I am a part of the Guardian team and we just released our beta escrow platform.  It is the first piece of software we released in our ecosystem.  Over the next 12 months we're going to be releasing a rather astounding suite of programs designed to prevent fraud in cryptocurrency.  Safe P2P transactions is one of several dozen areas we are targeting.  I don't want to get into *too* much more detail until our whitepaper comes out in a few days but that's the general gist of things.

Anyway currently listing on our platform is cheap as it's a beta release (thoroughly bug tested, it's safe) and we are trying to build our userbase and awareness of our product.  Trading using our platform is also cheaper than using exchanges as we only charge the blockchain transaction fee after initial listing.  One of our beginning goals with the escrow platform is to provide coins with limited exchange access a way to safely trade/sell their coins.  Listing cost is 1000 GDNC which comes out to about 150 USD.  As our full suite of software starts coming out and the scope of Guardian is recognized we are hoping to be the tide that lifts some other smaller but *extremely* valuable projects.  I am currently working to list Nerva and I believe having Blur on the platform would be beneficial too.

If you're interested in discussing it further let me know, send me a PM.  If you like you can look at our escrow platform:

https://escrow.guardiancoin.online/

hero member
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Hm, what's the novel thing here? We already got a lot of CPU-only coins lately, snowblossom, Deft...

Any real-world usecase you are targeting that would make the coin interesting to non-miners to buy and hold?

This is a cpu-only variant of the cryptonight algorithm.  RingCT signatures on a cpu-only coin are only implemented by NERVA, aside from this project.  Cryptonote coins lack that aspect of design, otherwise.

so in short no real world use case at the moment. just another variant of altcoin. without actual usage most of the time, an altcoin will just fall in the trading.
and without strong community backing that coin, this is too easy to die.
unless the dev team has other plans as ive seen so many reserved posts here?!

Well, what's XMR's use-case?  Monero's design has failed in terms of decentralization.  So has bitcoin's.  Solving a previously unsolved problem is hardly the way superior technology comes to dominate a market.  Rather, a superior solution comes along to disrupt a previous solution, and makes it inferior (usually based on design or expansion of capabilities in solving future problems).  

That devil's advocacy aside... Yes, there are bigger plans and your reserved post observation is an astute one.

You consider Monero a failed design? The market has spoken so far and entrusts networks like Bitcoin and Monero with hundreds of billions of dollars. Even if it's CPU only, what if the tech giant fire up their warehouses full of hardware and mine with that? Fully preventing centralization from happening is probably impossible to do.




I didn't say they were "failed designs".  In my opinion, they failed to reach their goal of a scaled and truly decentralized network.  All one has to do is look at what's happened with pooling to see that.  I mean, look at the distribution over the past few days from MineXMR.com .  Does that look like a decentralized network to you?

Moreover, a community rallying behind something does not mean that it is fulfilling its initial design goal... much less, hundreds of billions of dollars hasn't anything to do with decentralized architecture.  Usually, that kind of valuation is an indication of the opposite (cartels and market power). I'd even bet that they're correlated on a near 1.0 R-squared relationship.  To quote Vitalik Buterin... "proof of work necessarily operates on a logic of massive power incentivized into existence by massive rewards".  Centralization is the only way that this can occur.  I agree with you that fully preventing centralization is probably impossible.  But that doesn't mean that we should repeat the mistakes that have been revealed to be clear and burdensome design flaws (...that constantly need adjusted to keep attack area manageable).


In this technological environment I wouldn't be surprised if after just a few years a seemingly nicely decentralized architecture could converge to centralization due to new technology. If a network becomes worth more over time the incentive to come with something up to take control of it also grows. Interesting game theory here! Smiley
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I got 4 blocks in a row ?!
11 12 13 14
And the speed of the network fell from 600 kh/s to 39 kh/s? then 32 kh/s

https://pp.userapi.com/c834303/v834303445/17f867/U47_hFvrdso.jpg

net speed: 32 kh/s

https://pp.userapi.com/c834303/v834303445/17f899/IsmJyoPWevg.jpg


Not sure what happened there.  It's not entirely improbable that you would mine 3 or 4 blocks in a row.  What I believe would be a somewhat likely explanation: you found a block that was not the best solution (this happens frequently with alternate chains on any blockchain), but was still valid. It follows that there would be a succession of blocks thereafter that were correct solutions but not optimal ones.  When that occurs, the other miners can be mining on a separate chain from you, until the nodes reach a consensus as to the best proof submitted for work completed (blocks solved). The longer chain prevails, and multiple chains can exist simultaneously before one chain shows itself to be longer, and the network agrees.

This is the exact reason that I increased the # of blocks before a mined reward can be spent.  If it were lower than 25... there would be issues.  I've been contemplating raising it even further as a buffer. Hope that all helps.
When will the stratum be?
newbie
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I got 4 blocks in a row ?!
11 12 13 14
And the speed of the network fell from 600 kh/s to 39 kh/s? then 32 kh/s

https://pp.userapi.com/c834303/v834303445/17f867/U47_hFvrdso.jpg

net speed: 32 kh/s

https://pp.userapi.com/c834303/v834303445/17f899/IsmJyoPWevg.jpg


Not sure what happened there.  It's not entirely improbable that you would mine 3 or 4 blocks in a row.  What I believe would be a somewhat likely explanation: you found a block that was not the best solution (this happens frequently with alternate chains on any blockchain), but was still valid. It follows that there would be a succession of blocks thereafter that were correct solutions but not optimal ones.  When that occurs, the other miners can be mining on a separate chain from you, until the nodes reach a consensus as to the best proof submitted for work completed (blocks solved). The longer chain prevails, and multiple chains can exist simultaneously before one chain shows itself to be longer, and the network agrees.

This is the exact reason that I increased the # of blocks before a mined reward can be spent.  If it were lower than 25... there would be issues.  I've been contemplating raising it even further as a buffer. Hope that all helps.

Yes. You seem right.
Restarted my wallet - I have much less coins.
Apparently the synchronization is lost. :[

But there was a speed of the network 32 kh/s - then there was someone in my chain of blockchain? =)
jr. member
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The Blur Network
I got 4 blocks in a row ?!
11 12 13 14
And the speed of the network fell from 600 kh/s to 39 kh/s? then 32 kh/s



net speed: 32 kh/s




Not sure what happened there.  It's not entirely improbable that you would mine 3 or 4 blocks in a row.  What I believe would be a somewhat likely explanation: you found a block that was not the best solution (this happens frequently with alternate chains on any blockchain), but was still valid. It follows that there would be a succession of blocks thereafter that were correct solutions but not optimal ones.  When that occurs, the other miners can be mining on a separate chain from you, until the nodes reach a consensus as to the best proof submitted for work completed (blocks solved). The longer chain prevails, and multiple chains can exist simultaneously before one chain shows itself to be longer, and the network agrees.

This is the exact reason that I increased the # of blocks before a mined reward can be spent.  If it were lower than 25... there would be issues.  I've been contemplating raising it even further as a buffer. Hope that all helps.
newbie
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I got 4 blocks in a row ?!
11 12 13 14
And the speed of the network fell from 600 kh/s to 39 kh/s? then 32 kh/s

https://pp.userapi.com/c834303/v834303445/17f867/U47_hFvrdso.jpg

net speed: 32 kh/s

https://pp.userapi.com/c834303/v834303445/17f899/IsmJyoPWevg.jpg
jr. member
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When noticed about the content box i admire to its potential as it is the most popular mobilr audio platforms across the globe, it is gaining more attention from participants now.
newbie
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I think that this project is relatively doing a great job so far as they are growing faster as they are implementing methods that are actually going to work.
newbie
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Why still no one can lift the pool?

Hey, elitepool.
How's it going?
http://blur.elitepool.net/
hero member
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Bisq Market Day - March 20th 2023
So. I'm tired.
I need a pool.
Dev, where is the white paper?

I could not find it either, but maybe you can reconstruct some parts of the whitepaper from the source code:
https://github.com/blur-network/blur
Smiley


A whitepaper will be published in the coming weeks.   I'll post a roadmap on the website prior to that, to give everyone an idea of where things are headed from an administrative standpoint.

I don't understand your sequence of actions. If you reach out here to people and you want them to follow you, you better have your white paper ready.
jr. member
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The Blur Network
What's the difference between this coin and the one it's forked from (Nerva)?  Someone correct me but the only thing I can see so far is that this coin has a premine whereas Nerva didn't.

If you have 2 coins that are essentially exactly the same - because Blur's code is Nerva copypasta - why not pick the original coin without a premine instead of the copycat *with* a premine?

If there is actually anything new here and it's not just a really shitty coder copying someone else's work and selling it to stupid people so he can dump his premine I'll dedicate a few Ryzens to mining it.

So, what's the difference?

Biggest differences are emission speed is (20) - that's an exponent - and total supply is cut in half vs Monero's 18.4M (9.2233M).... those variables are present in the equation (Block Reward)=((9223300000000000000)-(Available Supply)*10^12)*2^-20*10^-12).

The values in Nervas code are 18 (a good bit faster) and 18.4M, respectively. You're mistaken about the pre-mine as well -- that is present in both projects.

newbie
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What's the difference between this coin and the one it's forked from (Nerva)?  Someone correct me but the only thing I can see so far is that this coin has a premine whereas Nerva didn't.

If you have 2 coins that are essentially exactly the same - because Blur's code is Nerva copypasta - why not pick the original coin without a premine instead of the copycat *with* a premine?

If there is actually anything new here and it's not just a really shitty coder copying someone else's work and selling it to stupid people so he can dump his premine I'll dedicate a few Ryzens to mining it.

So, what's the difference?
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newbie
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What's the difference between this coin and the one it's forked from (Nerva)?  Someone correct me but the only thing I can see so far is that this coin has a premine whereas Nerva didn't.

If you have 2 coins that are essentially exactly the same - because Blur's code is Nerva copypasta - why not pick the original coin without a premine instead of the copycat *with* a premine?

If there is actually anything new here and it's not just a really shitty coder copying someone else's work and selling it to stupid people so he can dump his premine I'll dedicate a few Ryzens to mining it.

So, what's the difference?
sr. member
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Looking from the total supply of this coins, I think the price of the coins will be high.
Perhaps joining this project or supporting it through bounty campaign would be a good decision.
newbie
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Mining a coins wit CPU can be the best choice for everyone who doesn't has a GPU mining rig that cost so much.
This way we could just utilize our regular PC to mine the coins, without the need to to purchase a high cost mining rig.

That's the idea.  I've always liked CPU coins better for that reason. Sure, most servers are CPUs, and can put out a nice amount of hashpower... But GPUs created a totally dominant tier of miners, lowering accessibility to potentially monetized downtime for many home PC owners.  I'd like to see a more even playing field for miners... As NERVA put it: Individuals mining on individual computers.

How do you protect your coin from the GPU and ASIC?
Due to what it is impossible to extract your coin for the GPU?
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this is very cool, using payment using Monero Project, it is totally untraceable and I am sure it is very safe
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The Blur Network
reserved spanish translation, confirm please

Anyone who wishes to provide a translation should feel free to do so.  Although I should say here that I can only speak for this official thread's accuracy.  If you choose to read a translation, please make sure that it has not been changed too much when compared to this official post.
jr. member
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The Blur Network
Mining a coins wit CPU can be the best choice for everyone who doesn't has a GPU mining rig that cost so much.
This way we could just utilize our regular PC to mine the coins, without the need to to purchase a high cost mining rig.

That's the idea.  I've always liked CPU coins better for that reason. Sure, most servers are CPUs, and can put out a nice amount of hashpower... But GPUs created a totally dominant tier of miners, lowering accessibility to potentially monetized downtime for many home PC owners.  I'd like to see a more even playing field for miners... As NERVA put it: Individuals mining on individual computers.
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