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Quote from: EXtremeAEX on July 01, 2017, 03:37:20 AM

I have still have one thing which I still cannot figure out, please enlighten me.

When you deposit into an address, the chips are claimed to be already credited in the account via different sizes of chips, and how is this done so? It says that it the amount would already be there, so your deposit have no connection with the mixer chips. How does this work?

Okay, so what happens is chipmixer gets previous user funds, sends them as different outputs(0.001 BTC, 0.002 BTC etc.) to addresses to fund individual "chips". This way, your privacy is guaranteed as the coin comes from a pool of user funds, and it is definitely not your coin because it is done before the whole mixing process starts. Then when you deposit you'll get aforementioned chips that add up to the value of your deposit. Simple as that, yet very secure and private.

Assuming chips in ChipMixer as "poker chips"(chips in casinos) may make understanding them easier.

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Quote from: EXtremeAEX on July 01, 2017, 03:37:20 AM

Is the video not up yet? Right now its just an image placeholder for a video. I believe a video would be really helpful for new users.

Don't think so, at least not yet.

Quote from: EXtremeAEX on July 01, 2017, 03:37:20 AM

I have still have one thing which I still cannot figure out, please enlighten me.

When you deposit into an address, the chips are claimed to be already credited in the account via different sizes of chips, and how is this done so? It says that it the amount would already be there, so your deposit have no connection with the mixer chips. How does this work?

Okay, so what happens is chipmixer gets previous user funds, sends them as different outputs(0.001 BTC, 0.002 BTC etc.) to addresses to fund individual "chips". This way, your privacy is guaranteed as the coin comes from a pool of user funds, and it is definitely not your coin because it is done before the whole mixing process starts. Then when you deposit you'll get aforementioned chips that add up to the value of your deposit. Simple as that, yet very secure and private.

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Is the video not up yet? Right now its just an image placeholder for a video. I believe a video would be really helpful for new users.

I have still have one thing which I still cannot figure out, please enlighten me.

When you deposit into an address, the chips are claimed to be already credited in the account via different sizes of chips, and how is this done so? It says that it the amount would already be there, so your deposit have no connection with the mixer chips. How does this work?

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Quote from: ChipMixer on June 28, 2017, 04:57:25 AM

We have received reply from Electrum author. Plugin won't be included in wallet by default. Author believes it would create a law risk to add mixer into wallet. Our hook was merged so our plugin will work with new version, but it will need to be installed separately.

We have published an article at r/Bitcoin about how to use ChipMixer to avoid upcoming "declare cryptocurrencies" US law: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jzc41/easy_way_to_avoid_upcoming_us_declare_btc_law/

Just saw this update.

Even though it's not included in Electrum by default, at least there is somewhere to download it! So good job devs of Chipmixer, we all appreciate your work and trying to improve the user experience of bitcoin in general.

Using a mixer isn't being paranoid, it's simply one extra step for anyone trying to track you down to go through. It won't give you perfect anonymity but it will be light years ahead of the anonymity bitcoin provides. Chipmixer is a great way to start if you haven't used their service yet, it's quite newbie friendly, and it's free too.

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Quote from: digaran on June 30, 2017, 05:23:14 PM

I used chipmixer a few days ago and I got tricked, after sending my coins I got 3 small chips with the promise of merging them to get a big chip but the merging button wasn't working then I had to pay fees 3 times with one time of my main deposit, literally I lost 20% of my coins just paying fees. lol

Hmm, Chipmixer definitely didn't do this on purpose. It is likely a bug of some kind. I haven't yet tested out the new site after it got a makeover but i can't see anyone else complaining about this issue, so it could be something on your end as well.

Either way, please contact chipmixer support. They'll probably refund you the difference in fees because it's a small amount involved here. As you know bitcoin miner fees are quite high and you can't really blame chipmixer for it.

Hopefully your next coin mixing experience will be somewhat better.

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Quote from: mk4 on June 27, 2017, 05:11:30 AM

I honestly haven't seen the previous layout since I'm new to Chipmixer, but damn the simplicity of the current layout sure is sexy!

I can't speak for the usability though, since I haven't used it. But it definitely looks very promising.

The earlier template was not so attractive, it was a very simple template. For people whoever visit first time to any site, the first impression should be very good, but it was not there earlier, but not it is very elegant and looks professional.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on June 28, 2017, 04:57:25 AM

We have received reply from Electrum author. Plugin won't be included in wallet by default. Author believes it would create a law risk to add mixer into wallet. Our hook was merged so our plugin will work with new version, but it will need to be installed separately.

We have published an article at r/Bitcoin about how to use ChipMixer to avoid upcoming "declare cryptocurrencies" US law: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jzc41/easy_way_to_avoid_upcoming_us_declare_btc_law/

Hmm, i don't think that chipmixer is really breaking any sort of law. Because all it is is essentially giving you chips with preset values in bitcoin to compensate for the bitcoins that you send to the service. It's a simple concept, and dont think that it's breaking any laws. It's just like swapping a $100 note for multiple $10 ones, $20 ones, or any mixture of both.

I mean, if they can get it installed by default then it's great because bitcoin needs more privacy, but if not, that's fine too. Just happy that it works at all on electrum.

Thank you dev for the excellent work, as always!

I think you have a point but i think alternative one can be still help in the new version can be still installed separately that we can be still use the mixer with the wallet..

Quote from: digaran on June 30, 2017, 05:23:14 PM

I used chipmixer a few days ago and I got tricked, after sending my coins I got 3 small chips with the promise of merging them to get a big chip but the merging button wasn't working then I had to pay fees 3 times with one time of my main deposit, literally I lost 20% of my coins just paying fees. lol

If the merging button is not working i think there is a bug you should contact the support or wait for the reply of your post here.

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Quote from: btcton on June 30, 2017, 02:07:04 PM

About #1, if you don't believe me, try sending out a transaction on a Sunday. I've had transactions be confirmed within the hour at only 40 sat/b which comes out to around $0.20 worth of transaction fees in contrast to sometime like today when the fee is around 300 sat/b. It all depends on the mempool load, which happens to be lower during weekends. That being said, I still think a scaling solution is a must for Bitcoin, but that's outside the scope of this thread.

You have your reason for saying that because sometimes too I have made some transactions as well while some confirms faster than the other but I just couldn't linked if its related to less traffic on the network during weekend but I guess I will have to try this as well. I feel there is need for the issue of fees to be sorted so people will be more encourage to use more of chip mixer service.

Fees are quite low currently if your wallet lets you set a custom fee. As you can see here, even transactions with fees of <50 satoshi/byte are expected to confirm in about six hours, which is fine if you're sending overnight or online with low priority (e.g. to a friend).

Quote from: digaran on June 30, 2017, 05:23:14 PM

I used chipmixer a few days ago and I got tricked, after sending my coins I got 3 small chips with the promise of merging them to get a big chip but the merging button wasn't working then I had to pay fees 3 times with one time of my main deposit, literally I lost 20% of my coins just paying fees. lol

Chipmixer does not have fees - you pay what you want to. You should contact support.

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I used chipmixer a few days ago and I got tricked, after sending my coins I got 3 small chips with the promise of merging them to get a big chip but the merging button wasn't working then I had to pay fees 3 times with one time of my main deposit, literally I lost 20% of my coins just paying fees. lol

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Quote from: btcton on June 30, 2017, 02:07:04 PM

About #1, if you don't believe me, try sending out a transaction on a Sunday. I've had transactions be confirmed within the hour at only 40 sat/b which comes out to around $0.20 worth of transaction fees in contrast to sometime like today when the fee is around 300 sat/b. It all depends on the mempool load, which happens to be lower during weekends. That being said, I still think a scaling solution is a must for Bitcoin, but that's outside the scope of this thread.

You have your reason for saying that because sometimes too I have made some transactions as well while some confirms faster than the other but I just couldn't linked if its related to less traffic on the network during weekend but I guess I will have to try this as well. I feel there is need for the issue of fees to be sorted so people will be more encourage to use more of chip mixer service.

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Quote from: Jherek on June 30, 2017, 05:43:39 AM

Quote from: mk4 on June 27, 2017, 05:11:30 AM

I honestly haven't seen the previous layout since I'm new to Chipmixer, but damn the simplicity of the current layout sure is sexy!

I can't speak for the usability though, since I haven't used it. But it definitely looks very promising.

Well, i can assure you that the design is a whole lot better compared to the last generation of site design. Last one was clean as well, and surprisingly simple, but this one makes the site look way more slick.

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Quote from: btcton on June 19, 2017, 03:56:16 PM

I will be using the mixer soon. For privacy reasons, once I use it, I'll let some time pass before coming back and updating the post with my thoughts on the mixer. I don't personally use Electrum, so I cannot give any feedback on it. If I get the chance, however, I will try out the Telegram bot and report back on how smooth it goes. I admit I am surprised by the responsiveness and the development speed of the devs of this project. The interaction with the community is one of the reasons why I happen to trust this more than other projects going around.

I was planning to try the mixer out this week but transaction fees right now are stupidly high. I will probably hold off until Saturday-Sunday when the fees are around 6 times lower and then report back. From what I have seen in actual practice, however, I am wondering what is the session key for? If I deposit bitcoin but lose the session key, what happens to the money?

At the least one of the advantages is that using the "chips" gets rid of transaction fees on the way out, which given the high fees currently, is quite beneficial.

1. Why not try it out now? There is absolutely no reason to delay your trial run because transactions fees aren't going to be lower until a scaling solution like segwit comes past. I have never heard of the fee be 6x lower on weekends either...
2. Session key is essentially your username and password. If you lose your session key, you're going to lose access to your funds. Chipmixer can't help you with this either.
3. You're missing the point. Chips on the way out will still incur transaction fees if you sweep or send bitcoin to other people. It is extremely unlikely that you would want to hold the private keys, because after all there is counterparty risk. The point of chipmixer is not to save on tx fees but rather a way to provide more privacy to the btc network.

About #1, if you don't believe me, try sending out a transaction on a Sunday. I've had transactions be confirmed within the hour at only 40 sat/b which comes out to around $0.20 worth of transaction fees in contrast to sometime like today when the fee is around 300 sat/b. It all depends on the mempool load, which happens to be lower during weekends. That being said, I still think a scaling solution is a must for Bitcoin, but that's outside the scope of this thread.

About #3, yes, you are right that if you wanted to keep holding that BTC it would be obviously better to sweep the the addresses given to you rather than keeping the private keys. However, imagine a situation in which you want to mix and spend right away. You could spend using the private keys they give you and only have to pay the fee twice (once for mixing, another one for spending) while with any other mixer you would have to pay 3 times (for mixing, receiving, and spending). This obviously varies depending on which mixer we are comparing to, but ChipMixer is certainly one of the better ones in this regard.

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Quote from: mk4 on June 27, 2017, 05:11:30 AM

I honestly haven't seen the previous layout since I'm new to Chipmixer, but damn the simplicity of the current layout sure is sexy!

I can't speak for the usability though, since I haven't used it. But it definitely looks very promising.

Well, i can assure you that the design is a whole lot better compared to the last generation of site design. Last one was clean as well, and surprisingly simple, but this one makes the site look way more slick.

Quote from: btcton on June 29, 2017, 10:06:20 PM

Quote from: btcton on June 19, 2017, 03:56:16 PM

I will be using the mixer soon. For privacy reasons, once I use it, I'll let some time pass before coming back and updating the post with my thoughts on the mixer. I don't personally use Electrum, so I cannot give any feedback on it. If I get the chance, however, I will try out the Telegram bot and report back on how smooth it goes. I admit I am surprised by the responsiveness and the development speed of the devs of this project. The interaction with the community is one of the reasons why I happen to trust this more than other projects going around.

I was planning to try the mixer out this week but transaction fees right now are stupidly high. I will probably hold off until Saturday-Sunday when the fees are around 6 times lower and then report back. From what I have seen in actual practice, however, I am wondering what is the session key for? If I deposit bitcoin but lose the session key, what happens to the money?

At the least one of the advantages is that using the "chips" gets rid of transaction fees on the way out, which given the high fees currently, is quite beneficial.

1. Why not try it out now? There is absolutely no reason to delay your trial run because transactions fees aren't going to be lower until a scaling solution like segwit comes past. I have never heard of the fee be 6x lower on weekends either...
2. Session key is essentially your username and password. If you lose your session key, you're going to lose access to your funds. Chipmixer can't help you with this either.
3. You're missing the point. Chips on the way out will still incur transaction fees if you sweep or send bitcoin to other people. It is extremely unlikely that you would want to hold the private keys, because after all there is counterparty risk. The point of chipmixer is not to save on tx fees but rather a way to provide more privacy to the btc network.

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Quote from: btcton on June 19, 2017, 03:56:16 PM

I will be using the mixer soon. For privacy reasons, once I use it, I'll let some time pass before coming back and updating the post with my thoughts on the mixer. I don't personally use Electrum, so I cannot give any feedback on it. If I get the chance, however, I will try out the Telegram bot and report back on how smooth it goes. I admit I am surprised by the responsiveness and the development speed of the devs of this project. The interaction with the community is one of the reasons why I happen to trust this more than other projects going around.

I was planning to try the mixer out this week but transaction fees right now are stupidly high. I will probably hold off until Saturday-Sunday when the fees are around 6 times lower and then report back. From what I have seen in actual practice, however, I am wondering what is the session key for? If I deposit bitcoin but lose the session key, what happens to the money?

At the least one of the advantages is that using the "chips" gets rid of transaction fees on the way out, which given the high fees currently, is quite beneficial.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on June 28, 2017, 04:57:25 AM

We have received reply from Electrum author. Plugin won't be included in wallet by default. Author believes it would create a law risk to add mixer into wallet. Our hook was merged so our plugin will work with new version, but it will need to be installed separately.

We have published an article at r/Bitcoin about how to use ChipMixer to avoid upcoming "declare cryptocurrencies" US law: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jzc41/easy_way_to_avoid_upcoming_us_declare_btc_law/

Hmm, i don't think that chipmixer is really breaking any sort of law. Because all it is is essentially giving you chips with preset values in bitcoin to compensate for the bitcoins that you send to the service. It's a simple concept, and dont think that it's breaking any laws. It's just like swapping a $100 note for multiple $10 ones, $20 ones, or any mixture of both.

I mean, if they can get it installed by default then it's great because bitcoin needs more privacy, but if not, that's fine too. Just happy that it works at all on electrum.

Thank you dev for the excellent work, as always!

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Quote from: ChipMixer on June 28, 2017, 04:57:25 AM

We have received reply from Electrum author. Plugin won't be included in wallet by default. Author believes it would create a law risk to add mixer into wallet. Our hook was merged so our plugin will work with new version, but it will need to be installed separately.

We have published an article at r/Bitcoin about how to use ChipMixer to avoid upcoming "declare cryptocurrencies" US law: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jzc41/easy_way_to_avoid_upcoming_us_declare_btc_law/

It would be still good news if it won't be added in plugin since it can be still installed in new version but separately it would be still a great news..
That we can use more easily to mix with electrum..
Hope that they can release it fast i'll be willing to test it since i really looking for a good wallet that has a mixer for a long time..

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Quote from: ChipMixer on June 28, 2017, 04:57:25 AM

We have received reply from Electrum author. Plugin won't be included in wallet by default. Author believes it would create a law risk to add mixer into wallet. Our hook was merged so our plugin will work with new version, but it will need to be installed separately.

We have published an article at r/Bitcoin about how to use ChipMixer to avoid upcoming "declare cryptocurrencies" US law: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jzc41/easy_way_to_avoid_upcoming_us_declare_btc_law/

Thank you for the update.

I think that the fact that you are able to use it at all is great, on Electrum. At least user has an option to download it just like an extention/plugin on the google chrome webstore, which is better than not having anything at all.

Website makeover again looks amazing. One thing's for sure - your devs don't get paid enough! Tongue

Will definitely be back for more news.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on June 28, 2017, 04:57:25 AM

We have received reply from Electrum author. Plugin won't be included in wallet by default. Author believes it would create a law risk to add mixer into wallet. Our hook was merged so our plugin will work with new version, but it will need to be installed separately.

We have published an article at r/Bitcoin about how to use ChipMixer to avoid upcoming "declare cryptocurrencies" US law: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jzc41/easy_way_to_avoid_upcoming_us_declare_btc_law/

Well, Electrum's reasoning isn't that surprising tbh. They obviously want to be free of any affiliations to bitcoin mixers/tumblers even though they offer more anonymity to transactions which is somehting that bitcoin is based on. After all, they are offering this service and they are free to do whatever they want to. But still, downloading it separately isn't that bad either.

The crypto declaring law in the us is completely absurd. There is in my opinion no way that they can check any of your belongings to see whether you have bitcoin or not, because it's just not possible... There are infinite amount of ways that you can hide your recovery seed/private key, which only you know. But Chipmixer's idea of having a 2-2 multisig is brilliant as well. Some skeptism on reddit i see right now but i think security of my funds aren't really a concern with chipmixer.

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Quote from: ChipMixer on June 28, 2017, 04:57:25 AM

We have received reply from Electrum author. Plugin won't be included in wallet by default. Author believes it would create a law risk to add mixer into wallet. Our hook was merged so our plugin will work with new version, but it will need to be installed separately.

We have published an article at r/Bitcoin about how to use ChipMixer to avoid upcoming "declare cryptocurrencies" US law: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jzc41/easy_way_to_avoid_upcoming_us_declare_btc_law/

That's good enought. So I guess you will release a link to download and install the plugin?
I legit want to test the mixing function from Electrum. Any small advantage you can offer over other mixers is already something great and another reason to use ChipMixer.

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We have received reply from Electrum author. Plugin won't be included in wallet by default. Author believes it would create a law risk to add mixer into wallet. Our hook was merged so our plugin will work with new version, but it will need to be installed separately.

We have published an article at r/Bitcoin about how to use ChipMixer to avoid upcoming "declare cryptocurrencies" US law: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6jzc41/easy_way_to_avoid_upcoming_us_declare_btc_law/

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Quote from: BTCforJoe on June 27, 2017, 04:31:18 PM

I just checked out the website, and it's pretty simple and minimalistic. Great improvement compared to the previous version that I've seen. Also, I mixed coins for the second time ever today. The first was with BM, and now with ChipMixer. I thought it would be confusing, but it turned out to be quite easy to understand the "chips" once I started the process.

Mixing noobs, rejoice; the userflow of ChipMixer is quite easy to follow.

EDIT: Oh, and by default, no fees? I think this may very well be the best part about ChipMixer!

Yeah, the beauty of Chipmixer is that there are easy to understand instructions that anyone can follow. Even if you do not know a thing about bitcoin, i think that you can still figure out how to improve your privacy and anonymity when transacting online with Chipmixer fairly quickly.

And like you i especially enjoy the fact that they are able to provide their service with no extra charge, meaning that they are really dedicated to really improving user experience with bitcoin instead of just making a quick buck out of it.

Still though, you can definnitely donate to them and i think with the new "commonize" feature it makes it a lot easier to donate.

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