Topic: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA - page 407. (Read 1266578 times)

All I mean is that an empty wallet has been programmed to not be allowed to be a node.  You can do the math on percentages, I will not take the time for you.

Blacklisting is only a first defense and I have no idea if it is even going to be implemented, just a thought and it is a weak one.

About layers of anon.. you forget that you have as many nodes as you have on the network to randomly be assigned to.

We have already been thinking about ways of prevent nodes from knowing when a posa tx is incoming.  Packet sniffing is an issue we are combating.

the high level thwory of your argument may be sound, but in practice bob didn't troll, he spoke the truth. He might have been a bit antagonistic about it, but he didn't lie, he didn't distort the truth. the truth is hilarious enough on it's own merit.

drkboy on the otherhand has just been purposefully making shit up. his arguments make no sense, he's just trying to be the loudest person in the room so that people will think the story is about him, and not about cloak passing 300k today. everytime he's asked to clarify what he wants, he just derails into another tangent, it's impossible to pin him down because he is purposefully without direction.

for instance he keeps asking why the nazi/stalinist dev will not unban or even comment on the bans that happened today in IRC. The Dagger DID in no uncertain terms address it, and even posted a full transcript. this is ignored and the carnival keeps going.

reminds me of this famous phonecall going around:

https://soundcloud.com/ryan-block-10/comcastic-service

he's purposefully not listening to anything resembling reason. he is a shit disturber. there's a big difference between calling a coin on their shit, and playing with your own shit. one of them has dignity, the other is a monkey playing with his own feces, trying to decorate the walls brown.

bob uses the truth as his weapon. drkboy is literally only making up bullshit.

Ignore is a good feature would you not agree?

i like how everyone from the dark camp seemingly forgets that they do not currently have an operational build of the technology that they're been promising for... how many months has it been? almost a year?! wow it has been a long time with no results, good luck with that.

How so - do you propose to dynamically change the number of coins required to become a node based on the market price???

Edit: you say small investment, but how do you know what that same investment is worth in 6 months time to become a node?

Thanks for your productive response.  I actually own both DRK and CLOAK, so want to understand the systems better.


You can only black list nodes if you can detect that they are doing something bad.  There is no way to detect which nodes are the malicious nodes that are spying because other than recording transactions, they perform their duties perfectly and are upstanding citizens according to the protocol.  However, they secretly record the links between transactions and publish them publicly elsewhere (example, their own de-anonomised block explorer).


Indeed.


The problem is that 2^1 is only 2.  To leverage the power of two, you need to add more layers of anonymity.  For example, 8 or 10 steps, so you get 2^10 = 1024.  However, the problem is that would slow down transactions too much.  


No.  It's quite different.  My 4th question is about someone stealing funds, not anonymity.

I WANT TO SEE CLOAK PASSING DARK ON COINMARKETCAP

You must be a day trader.  Our code is not static and there is no node price setting.  This is a network

You have not thought this through.

Coin quantity is not the factor as it moves dynamically with price...1000 drk coin cost $10 back in the day. If cloak even had 10 coins to become a node, in 5 years that price might be unobtainable for most....get my point??? so essentially it is the SAME as DRK masternodes.

Thank you for the technical post.  Hope this answers some.

Obfuscation.  You have to think about PoSA like tor.

1. We can black list malicious nodes and rely on the fact that there will be so many nodes on the network (unlike centralized masternodes) that the majority will not be spy nodes and to find any relevant data will be next to impossible.  Nothing is 100% approaching limits is the best way to handle things.

2. Same question as 1

3. 2 levels out of a random selection. powers of two magnify probabilities of not being interfered with exponentially.

4. Again the same questions

i am having a hell of a time trying to push this coin over 350k... make another run at it again in a few minutes.  to the moon! thinking about fully investing on this next slump

Obviously black listing will not be enough.  No you will not have to have 1000 CLOAK like a masternode.  But if you want 1000 nodes on the network spying it will cost you.

Is there no other way around it without having to buy nodes like darkcoin? seriously this will just get cloak labeled as darkcoin light  

small investment...isnt that the same as masternodes for DRK???

additionally, how will you blacklist - XC had its dynamic learning trust system which went down the drain....any black listing system is easily flawed and centralized.

A system we have put in place to require a small investment to be a node thus stopping unlimited bad nodes by investment deterrence.

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Also whats to stop a bad actor from creating as many wallets/nodes as he/she wishes and capturing the data / stealing incoming transactions. This was done with XC rev 1.0 and the same applies to Cloak's design.