[ANN] CoinLab Protected Pool - page 24.

yochdog

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Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 14, 2012, 01:41:31 PM

Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 01:35:34 PM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 14, 2012, 01:30:57 PM

Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 01:22:51 PM

I am just attempting to figure out if the foregone earnings now is worth the potential bonus later.

If you use cgminer, there will not be any 'foregone earnings', the shares will be at the other pools. or solo.

hmmmm, I do not see any shares bleeding over to the back-up pool.

Dammit this sucks.

Yoch. Since your using cgminer. you can easily test this. create a new user for coinlab and restart cgminer with new user. cgminer will track the number of accepted shares which can then be compared to the coinlab stats.

roger

jcpham

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Your Argument is Irrelephant

leaky shares have always been one of my favorite bonuses with a multi-pool setup in cgminer.

since joining this pool, I've converted a linux rig to windows in anticipation of client testing.

i remember the good 'ol days of crazy PPS like .000065, so if the pay is high enough, I'll convert to nvidia if the price is right.

everything seems to really hinge on the client imo. keep up the good work coinlab.

jjiimm_64

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Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 01:35:34 PM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 14, 2012, 01:30:57 PM

Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 01:22:51 PM

I am just attempting to figure out if the foregone earnings now is worth the potential bonus later.

If you use cgminer, there will not be any 'foregone earnings', the shares will be at the other pools. or solo.

hmmmm, I do not see any shares bleeding over to the back-up pool.

Dammit this sucks.

Yoch. Since your using cgminer. you can easily test this. create a new user for coinlab and restart cgminer with new user. cgminer will track the number of accepted shares which can then be compared to the coinlab stats.

yochdog

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Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 14, 2012, 01:30:57 PM

Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 01:22:51 PM

I am just attempting to figure out if the foregone earnings now is worth the potential bonus later.

If you use cgminer, there will not be any 'foregone earnings', the shares will be at the other pools. or solo.

hmmmm, I do not see any shares bleeding over to the back-up pool.

Dammit this sucks.

jjiimm_64

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Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 01:22:51 PM

I am just attempting to figure out if the foregone earnings now is worth the potential bonus later.

If you use cgminer, there will not be any 'foregone earnings', the shares will be at the other pools. or solo.

yochdog

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Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 14, 2012, 01:21:20 PM

Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 01:16:55 PM

My GPU-only miners seem to work 100% of the time flawlessly. It is the FPGA miners that are substantially under performing.

We all know that coinlab is not the fastest pool around. but we are earning loyalty points to be used later with GPUs. We are fortunate to be able to continue to earn loyalty points with our fpgas

So it is a problem with Coinlab and not my miners?

I am just attempting to figure out if the foregone earnings now is worth the potential bonus later.

jjiimm_64

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Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 01:16:55 PM

My GPU-only miners seem to work 100% of the time flawlessly. It is the FPGA miners that are substantially under performing.

We all know that coinlab is not the fastest pool around. but we are earning loyalty points to be used later with GPUs. We are fortunate to be able to continue to earn loyalty points with our fpgas

yochdog

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Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 14, 2012, 01:04:25 PM

Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 12:27:02 PM

I am still being shorted by about 5,000 shares an hour in comparison to what calculate my farm should be submitting.

I have done calculations in the past and ongoing of not what 'should be submitted' but what is actually submitted.

What is actually submitted allways works out right, in other words all shares are accounted for. What I have noticed in the past is that coinlab does not provide work fast enough, so you have to look at your backup pools for extra shares being submitted there.

If you not using cgminer to take advantage of submitting to backup pools, then your not utilizing your gpus to their fullest.

edit:
here is a link to one of the tests i did

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99643.msg1266456;topicseen#msg1266456

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1265829

My GPU-only miners seem to work 100% of the time flawlessly. It is the FPGA miners that are substantially under performing.

jjiimm_64

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Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 12:27:02 PM

I am still being shorted by about 5,000 shares an hour in comparison to what calculate my farm should be submitting.

I have done calculations in the past and ongoing of not what 'should be submitted' but what is actually submitted.

What is actually submitted allways works out right, in other words all shares are accounted for. What I have noticed in the past is that coinlab does not provide work fast enough, so you have to look at your backup pools for extra shares being submitted there.

If you not using cgminer to take advantage of submitting to backup pools, then your not utilizing your gpus to their fullest.

edit:
here is a link to one of the tests i did

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99643.msg1266456;topicseen#msg1266456

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1265829

AmDD

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Quote from: yochdog on November 14, 2012, 12:27:02 PM

I have been crunching a lot of numbers, and I am afraid something it wrong with my earnings at Coinlab.

When all of my miners are running, I have 66 GH/s pointed at Coinlab. I realize the hash-rate shown on the protected page is not 100% accurate, and some slippage in terms of reporting is to be expected. However, the shares submitted should be true, and when calculating the hash rate from those figured we should be very very close.

My problem is when I calculate these numbers, I am still being shorted by about 5,000 shares an hour in comparison to what calculate my farm should be submitting. I have gone through each of my miners, and the problem machines are the ones that are FPGA heavy. It seems that I show a certain hashing rate on my end, but then only get about 80% of that on your end.

Am I the only one seeing this? Does your pool have some idiosyncrasy that leads to FPGA's being less than optimal?

Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

Any help is appreciated!

I dont know the equations to do the math but i have 2 MMQs pointed at CoinLab fulltime. Here are my stats from CL...

Date Worker Hours Hash rate Shares
2012-11-11 MMQ    81.77     1,615.2     110,705
2012-11-04 MMQ    149.77    1,580.6    198,422
2012-10-28 MMQ    151.80    1,605.5    204,268
2012-10-21 MMQ    129.03    1,530.3    165,503

yochdog

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I have been crunching a lot of numbers, and I am afraid something it wrong with my earnings at Coinlab.

When all of my miners are running, I have 66 GH/s pointed at Coinlab. I realize the hash-rate shown on the protected page is not 100% accurate, and some slippage in terms of reporting is to be expected. However, the shares submitted should be true, and when calculating the hash rate from those figured we should be very very close.

My problem is when I calculate these numbers, I am still being shorted by about 5,000 shares an hour in comparison to what calculate my farm should be submitting. I have gone through each of my miners, and the problem machines are the ones that are FPGA heavy. It seems that I show a certain hashing rate on my end, but then only get about 80% of that on your end.

Am I the only one seeing this? Does your pool have some idiosyncrasy that leads to FPGA's being less than optimal?

Is anyone else experiencing this issue?

Any help is appreciated!

GenTarkin

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Quote from: TheHarbinger on November 13, 2012, 08:10:23 PM

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 08:06:45 PM

200% for the next block (207833)!

May this block go on forever. Wink

only 11minutes =( boo

TheHarbinger

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Why is it so damn hot in here?

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 08:06:45 PM

200% for the next block (207833)!

May this block go on forever. Wink

CoinLab

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1CoinLabF5Avpp5kor41ngn7prTFMMHFVc

200% for the next block (207833)!

juhakall

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Is the new client going to get something similar to cgminer's intensity setting? IMO this is a must-have feature for non-dedicated rigs, and it looks like you are also trying to reach the less professional miners. I can easily play Battlefield 3 at a stable 60fps, and have cgminer in the background using whatever GPU resources are left over.

monstrs

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Quote from: GenTarkin on November 13, 2012, 04:56:39 PM

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:38:24 PM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 13, 2012, 04:18:17 PM

Quote from: GenTarkin on November 13, 2012, 04:07:44 PM

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:06:07 PM

Last week has been paid out for all users with a balance over 1BTC (including you juhakall Wink

)

Again, my apologies for the late payment and for not letting you all know that we wouldn't be in the office yesterday.

Right now, most of our developers are working on the final touches of the client before we release the initial windows build. One developer is working on some web stats improvements.

We really need to get the Windows client out the door, but once we do, we'll be taking some time to talk to some of our miners directly about what they need/want in the "Pro" linux client. If you have thoughts to contribute, post here, PM, or we can set up a skype call.

Thanks for your patience.

Chris

Chris, whatever "pro" features end up in the linux version, I sincerely hope will be in the windows version as well, in the form of AT LEAST, command line stuff...

My sentiments exactly... why is it a 'separate' thing.. we have pro windows users too.

This is similar to the stats page without styling. why in the world was/is it a different page. It is creating extra work and headaches.

For the miner, the same code should compile in linux or windows. Or am i way off base here?

OK, sounds like we'll need to make "pro" versions for both Linux and Windows.

The current build that is going to be released is aimed at non-technical people: we will be using this version with gamers who aren't familiar with Bitcoin mining. We'll start working a version with the advanced features pro miners need, such as command line control, as soon as this build is done (this week probably).

Basically, CoinLab, I would suggest building a client that has a very simple yet universal front end(GUI) for the and the gamers you are targeting this too. But also, have a very comprehensive backend (commandline) .. which is universal to each of Win/*nix as well. It would combining best of both worlds, for both those who want simple and those who want to control every aspect of it. That, would be the ultimate, IDEAL goal. One step further would be integrating some sort of API to interact w/ over TCPIP for those who would want to monitor multi rig / farm setups. All of this could be integrated into one client.

I know, for myself, if I dont have the ability to disable / change clocks / voltages on GPU's ... etc .. the windows client will be hell, because then I will have to install msi afterburner or some junk program.
I love having that fine tuning control built into cgminer. I sure hope it comes to CL's program..

Voting for this

GenTarkin

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Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 13, 2012, 05:06:33 PM

Quote from: GenTarkin on November 13, 2012, 04:56:39 PM

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:38:24 PM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 13, 2012, 04:18:17 PM

Quote from: GenTarkin on November 13, 2012, 04:07:44 PM

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:06:07 PM

Last week has been paid out for all users with a balance over 1BTC (including you juhakall Wink

)

Again, my apologies for the late payment and for not letting you all know that we wouldn't be in the office yesterday.

Right now, most of our developers are working on the final touches of the client before we release the initial windows build. One developer is working on some web stats improvements.

We really need to get the Windows client out the door, but once we do, we'll be taking some time to talk to some of our miners directly about what they need/want in the "Pro" linux client. If you have thoughts to contribute, post here, PM, or we can set up a skype call.

Thanks for your patience.

Chris

Chris, whatever "pro" features end up in the linux version, I sincerely hope will be in the windows version as well, in the form of AT LEAST, command line stuff...

My sentiments exactly... why is it a 'separate' thing.. we have pro windows users too.

This is similar to the stats page without styling. why in the world was/is it a different page. It is creating extra work and headaches.

For the miner, the same code should compile in linux or windows. Or am i way off base here?

OK, sounds like we'll need to make "pro" versions for both Linux and Windows.

The current build that is going to be released is aimed at non-technical people: we will be using this version with gamers who aren't familiar with Bitcoin mining. We'll start working a version with the advanced features pro miners need, such as command line control, as soon as this build is done (this week probably).

Basically, CoinLab, I would suggest building a client that has a very simple yet universal front end(GUI) for the and the gamers you are targeting this too. But also, have a very comprehensive backend (commandline) .. which is universal to each of Win/*nix as well. It would combining best of both worlds, for both those who want simple and those who want to control every aspect of it. That, would be the ultimate, IDEAL goal. One step further would be integrating some sort of API to interact w/ over TCPIP for those who would want to monitor multi rig / farm setups. All of this could be integrated into one client.

I know, for myself, if I dont have the ability to disable / change clocks / voltages on GPU's ... etc .. the windows client will be hell, because then I will have to install msi afterburner or some junk program.
I love having that fine tuning control built into cgminer. I sure hope it comes to CL's program..

In 1995 (roughly) Microsoft bought the rights to branch sybase. they started Microsoft sql server.

Why in the world cant we buy the rights to branch cgminer codebase, and take the branch private? the current open source codebase would not be affected, and coinlab would have the BEST miner to go forward with.

Im not sure we would have the best miner to go forward with.. in regards to their HPC work requirement. A TON would have to be built on top of cgminer to support that. I would think....anyways..

jjiimm_64

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Quote from: GenTarkin on November 13, 2012, 04:56:39 PM

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:38:24 PM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 13, 2012, 04:18:17 PM

Quote from: GenTarkin on November 13, 2012, 04:07:44 PM

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:06:07 PM

Last week has been paid out for all users with a balance over 1BTC (including you juhakall Wink

)

Again, my apologies for the late payment and for not letting you all know that we wouldn't be in the office yesterday.

Right now, most of our developers are working on the final touches of the client before we release the initial windows build. One developer is working on some web stats improvements.

We really need to get the Windows client out the door, but once we do, we'll be taking some time to talk to some of our miners directly about what they need/want in the "Pro" linux client. If you have thoughts to contribute, post here, PM, or we can set up a skype call.

Thanks for your patience.

Chris

Chris, whatever "pro" features end up in the linux version, I sincerely hope will be in the windows version as well, in the form of AT LEAST, command line stuff...

My sentiments exactly... why is it a 'separate' thing.. we have pro windows users too.

This is similar to the stats page without styling. why in the world was/is it a different page. It is creating extra work and headaches.

For the miner, the same code should compile in linux or windows. Or am i way off base here?

OK, sounds like we'll need to make "pro" versions for both Linux and Windows.

The current build that is going to be released is aimed at non-technical people: we will be using this version with gamers who aren't familiar with Bitcoin mining. We'll start working a version with the advanced features pro miners need, such as command line control, as soon as this build is done (this week probably).

Basically, CoinLab, I would suggest building a client that has a very simple yet universal front end(GUI) for the and the gamers you are targeting this too. But also, have a very comprehensive backend (commandline) .. which is universal to each of Win/*nix as well. It would combining best of both worlds, for both those who want simple and those who want to control every aspect of it. That, would be the ultimate, IDEAL goal. One step further would be integrating some sort of API to interact w/ over TCPIP for those who would want to monitor multi rig / farm setups. All of this could be integrated into one client.

I know, for myself, if I dont have the ability to disable / change clocks / voltages on GPU's ... etc .. the windows client will be hell, because then I will have to install msi afterburner or some junk program.
I love having that fine tuning control built into cgminer. I sure hope it comes to CL's program..

In 1995 (roughly) Microsoft bought the rights to branch sybase. they started Microsoft sql server.

Why in the world cant we buy the rights to branch cgminer codebase, and take the branch private? the current open source codebase would not be affected, and coinlab would have the BEST miner to go forward with.

GenTarkin

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Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:38:24 PM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on November 13, 2012, 04:18:17 PM

Quote from: GenTarkin on November 13, 2012, 04:07:44 PM

Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:06:07 PM

Last week has been paid out for all users with a balance over 1BTC (including you juhakall Wink

)

Again, my apologies for the late payment and for not letting you all know that we wouldn't be in the office yesterday.

Right now, most of our developers are working on the final touches of the client before we release the initial windows build. One developer is working on some web stats improvements.

We really need to get the Windows client out the door, but once we do, we'll be taking some time to talk to some of our miners directly about what they need/want in the "Pro" linux client. If you have thoughts to contribute, post here, PM, or we can set up a skype call.

Thanks for your patience.

Chris

Chris, whatever "pro" features end up in the linux version, I sincerely hope will be in the windows version as well, in the form of AT LEAST, command line stuff...

My sentiments exactly... why is it a 'separate' thing.. we have pro windows users too.

This is similar to the stats page without styling. why in the world was/is it a different page. It is creating extra work and headaches.

For the miner, the same code should compile in linux or windows. Or am i way off base here?

OK, sounds like we'll need to make "pro" versions for both Linux and Windows.

The current build that is going to be released is aimed at non-technical people: we will be using this version with gamers who aren't familiar with Bitcoin mining. We'll start working a version with the advanced features pro miners need, such as command line control, as soon as this build is done (this week probably).

Basically, CoinLab, I would suggest building a client that has a very simple yet universal front end(GUI) for the and the gamers you are targeting this too. But also, have a very comprehensive backend (commandline) .. which is universal to each of Win/*nix as well. It would combining best of both worlds, for both those who want simple and those who want to control every aspect of it. That, would be the ultimate, IDEAL goal. One step further would be integrating some sort of API to interact w/ over TCPIP for those who would want to monitor multi rig / farm setups. All of this could be integrated into one client.

I know, for myself, if I dont have the ability to disable / change clocks / voltages on GPU's ... etc .. the windows client will be hell, because then I will have to install msi afterburner or some junk program.
I love having that fine tuning control built into cgminer. I sure hope it comes to CL's program..

meebs

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Quote from: CoinLab on November 13, 2012, 04:38:24 PM

OK, sounds like we'll need to make "pro" versions for both Linux and Windows.

The current build that is going to be released is aimed at non-technical people: we will be using this version with gamers who aren't familiar with Bitcoin mining. We'll start working a version with the advanced features pro miners need, such as command line control, as soon as this build is done (this week probably).

At the end of the day it needs to work well and be VERY stable.

There is a reason why CGminer and BFGminer are regarded as great in this community and GUIminer is regarded as crap.

Giving users the choice of 'complexity' is a good thing as well. Something like Boinc and Folding@Home clients give the users a couple options of how complex the GUI is while allowing basic users to have a simple interface and giving power users more options/control and better stats reporting.

Stats is VERY important for power users in distributed computing. People who have multiple computers NEED to have EASY access to the numbers that their machines are putting out to 1. easily see if there are any machines down/issues and 2. just to monitor how things are going.

Just my 2 cents

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