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Topic: [ANN] (DAM) Datamine Network - FLUX: Time is Money 2.0 - DeFi DApp - page 4. (Read 6010 times)

jr. member
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Not sure if that is 2 pages, but okay.

Currently, the circulating supply of FLUX is 33,584. The FLUX that has been burned so far, is almost double that at 61,545 or roughly 64% of minted FLUX is burned.

And even considering the astounding 64% burn rate, the price has fallen over 90% since my initial posts. That’s because there’s no reason to buy flux other than to burn flux to get more flux which is the entire point of my major criticism. There is no other use cases, therefore there is no inherent demand.


I don't know what else to add, but whoever that guy is with 1 million DAM is not going to be able to get a 10x burn bonus; he simply can not buy enough FLUX to get the maximum bonus. We really have to wait maybe another month to see some interesting numbers.

I think that, one month from now, the interesting numbers that you see will be lower than where they are now.  What will probably be interesting to you then is that you were warned, repeatedly, had about a month to sit on the information, did nothing, then were warned again, had another month, and still didn’t do anything. Maybe the interesting thing to come from that will be a lesson in market timing, personal biases, and capital preservation.
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
Not sure if that is 2 pages, but okay.

Currently, the circulating supply of FLUX is 33,584. The FLUX that has been burned so far, is almost double that at 61,545 or roughly 64% of minted FLUX is burned.

I don't know what else to add, but whoever that guy is with 1 million DAM is not going to be able to get a 10x burn bonus; he simply can not buy enough FLUX to get the maximum bonus. We really have to wait maybe another month to see some interesting numbers.
jr. member
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Here’s my essay

When extra tokens are burned, this usually has a positive effect on the project and there is no oversupply of tokens, which can depreciate if there are too many of them. This approach is always appreciated by projects and investors.

The word "invest" implies an expected return.  In the context of DAM, the "investment" is in a DAM token which "returns" FLUX tokens.  Sounds cool.  However, the only purpose of FLUX tokens is to be burned. So the real measurement of return will be return on capital (in the form of ETH, likely, or maybe USD).  Let's do a thought experiment.

Let's say you've got 1,000,000 DAM and are earning .01 FLUX every 15 seconds.  Then you have all the multipliers except the 10x burn so now you're at .03 FLUX every 15 seconds.

But you're soooo close to that 10x multiplier, so you buy some FLUX to burn it.  Great - what's your reward?  You get back MORE flux than you burned.  

You bought the FLUX to burn with ETH.  For ease of explanation, let's say you paid .05 ETH for 1 FLUX to put you over the 9x burned / wallet balance ratio.  Burning this 1 flux nets you an extra .27 FLUX every 15 seconds, so soon you've got 5 extra flux to sell to recover your .05 ETH.  But you're profit seeking, and probably want to at least double your returns.  This is Crypto, after all, and you're interested in a 200% return for about 10 minutes of work.    So you sell your 5 FLUX at .03 ETH each for a total of .15 ETH, recovering the initial buy in plus a tidy 200% gain.

The guy who bought one your 1 FLUX at .03 each for .03 ETH similarly has 1,000,000 DAM and are minting .03 every 15 seconds.   Soon he's got 5 FLUX to sell to recover his .03 ETH.  He's also profit motivated, but not unreasonable, and similarly wants a 200% return for a few minutes of work.  So he prices his 5 FLUX at .018 ETH/each and they sell.  He makes a 200% return and the cycle continues.

This is the inherent deflationary mechanism in the burn to print model.  No rational investor, who is seeking return on capital, is going to buy FLUX to burn it expecting a loss.  The only people burning FLUX are doing so because they expect a return.  The return won't be in FLUX, but in the base currency (ETH) in this case.
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
I took the offer up.  Here.  I explained, in simple terms, how the economic model of FLUX was deflationary.  The market validated my argument.

I'm still banned.  It's apparent to me that the "decentralized" team managing the Datamine Discord isn't interested in fair dealing.

Speaking of that.  You never answered my question from three weeks ago.  Do you have moderator power within the Datamine Discord?

I got it, as well as a few others; we're labelled as "community assistants". Not sure how to unban you or anything like that. You can join under a new name if you want.

I don't see where your essay is, you can probably post it here as well. I don't remember the details but I remember something like a page or two. As for the market, it's been a month or two, so I'm not concerned about the price, it's too young to make any kind of meaningful technical analysis.

However the amount of FLUX burned indicates the demand for FLUX. There is almost 30% more FLUX burned than the current circulating supply. DAM has about 11 million locked in to the smart contract, or about 68% of total supply.

There is also an unofficial telegram channel, but some of us aren't there.
jr. member
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You were doing something else that got you banned, and I believe you were given the opportunity to rectify it by submitting an essay or explanation. You did not take up that offer.

I took the offer up.  Here.  I explained, in simple terms, how the economic model of FLUX was deflationary.  The market validated my argument.

I'm still banned.  It's apparent to me that the "decentralized" team managing the Datamine Discord isn't interested in fair dealing.

Speaking of that.  You never answered my question from three weeks ago.  Do you have moderator power within the Datamine Discord?



legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
FLUX started at zero. There was no supply of FLUX before.
DAM technically started at zero too, but you understand the price BWK had, so no need to explain there.

No bias. I'm not "deep" into this project. We all started fairly and equally the same as everyone else here, including the dev team.

You were doing something else that got you banned, and I believe you were given the opportunity to rectify it by submitting an essay or explanation. You did not take up that offer. You can always go back and join the discord, no one is stopping you.

Evaluate your bias too.
jr. member
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Lmao Potato. Let me chime in next time DAM pumps in price, and I'll use the price to prove my point like you are. Smh... resorting to price movements to validate your own misguided opinion. Tendies must be one of the best tokens in the world with that logic.

I’ll be waiting.  The real question is, will it pump higher than the current price AND sustain?

jr. member
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Lmao Potato. Let me chime in next time DAM pumps in price, and I'll use the price to prove my point like you are. Smh... resorting to price movements to validate your own misguided opinion. Tendies must be one of the best tokens in the world with that logic.
jr. member
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Don't forget that FLUX started from zero, and DAM started below 0.01 in USD or equivalent. Oh, I'm sure you know about it having ran 2 masternodes on the old chain.

FLUX is down 99.7 from ATH (https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/flux) and looks to have started at about $50.00

DAM started at 0 because 100% of it was created in a token generation event.

I know you’re in this deep and - reasonably - are biased toward the project.  Just like I was biased to the old chain because I was in it deep.  Take 3 steps back re-evaluate the project with fresh eyes.  Truly ask yourself what market utility it provides.  

Dig deep on the fundamental problems they’re trying to solve.  “create a dynamic market equilibrium using realtime on-chain supply and demand“ sounds good as words... I guess (??)... but don’t markets create equilibrium, not projects? Isn’t there already “a dynamic market equilibrium using realtime on-chain supply and demand” for BTC trading pairs?  ETH trading pairs?  USDT/USDC trading pairs?

If there’s no real underlying utility solution being delivered by this project it is on a trajectory to 0.  I tried to bring that up at the beginning of this month and got banned for it.  That should tell you something.  Everything I tried to warn you of is coming to pass, yet you’re still entrenched?  Evaluate your bias.
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
Don't forget that FLUX started from zero, and DAM started below 0.01 in USD or equivalent. Oh, I'm sure you know about it having ran 2 masternodes on the old chain.
jr. member
Activity: 38
Merit: 7
the price is to DAM high!

get it Cheesy

naw actually it's fucking holding up great thus far, keep it up.
flux doing well too (tho i don't touch that one)

Your wish has been answered.  Down 40% since your post.  FLUX is even circling the toilet.

You were all warned.

LOL you sound like Piston Honda on every other thread I see him on.

However, you surely must know that these small cryptos go up and down 40% all the time. Doesn't mean much.


DAM:ETH on 7/22 - .009
DAM:ETH on 8/1 - .003

Since 7/22 that's a 67% drop on an ETH basis.  Only reason USD is -40% is because ETH moved up. 

FLUX:ETH on 7/22 - .021
FLUX:ETH on 8/1 - .003

86% decline since 7/22.

Ouch.

legendary
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the price is to DAM high!

get it Cheesy

naw actually it's fucking holding up great thus far, keep it up.
flux doing well too (tho i don't touch that one)

Your wish has been answered.  Down 40% since your post.  FLUX is even circling the toilet.

You were all warned.

LOL you sound like Piston Honda on every other thread I see him on.

However, you surely must know that these small cryptos go up and down 40% all the time. Doesn't mean much.
jr. member
Activity: 38
Merit: 7
the price is to DAM high!

get it Cheesy

naw actually it's fucking holding up great thus far, keep it up.
flux doing well too (tho i don't touch that one)

Your wish has been answered.  Down 40% since your post.  FLUX is even circling the toilet.

You were all warned.
newbie
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There is now an unofficial Telegram group for Datamine where you can discuss and talk about DAM. Link https://t.me/dataminecrypto
legendary
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Juicin' crypto
the price is to DAM high!

get it Cheesy

naw actually it's fucking holding up great thus far, keep it up.
flux doing well too (tho i don't touch that one)
member
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DM for Spanish Translations
Seems really nice? If you need Spanish translation, community management or other things related to Spain/Latinamerica contact me
sr. member
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depends on coinmarketcap data, this Defi Dapp tradeable on hoo and uniswap
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/flux/markets
legendary
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Follow-up/addendum:  I reached out to the Open Zeppelin team And they did not identify any specific deficiencies with the Datamine smart contract (https://forum.openzeppelin.com/t/question-on-smart-contract-inheriting-from-openzeppelin-erc777-implementation/3328/2).  This does not mean that there are no deficiencies, however, it means that whatever deficiencies exist (if any two) are not widely in publicly disclosed.  Despite my profound skepticism for this project, this news is good for them. Now they just need to solve the inflationary mechanism that is built into the project.  Kudos team - your code isn’t overtly fucked.

Thanks for checking, for reporting this and for being constructive. Its encouraging to see the efforts to be objective despite the existing bias. After all, we all should be interested in 'knowing the truth', not in 'being right'. Maybe at some stage you will become a supporter Smiley

The inflationary mechanism is there, however the mechanism for equilibrium is there too. Lets hope the team follows things and will make them right in case if anything moves not in a right direction. Being able to correct mistakes (if any) is as important (if not more important) as being able to avoid mistakes at planning stage. And we still don't know for sure if there is any mistake done.
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
The team has an official reply on the so called "audit":

Quote
Hey guys,

We've had a very strange personal attack from a beginner security auditor regarding a well-known ERC-20 approval exploit. This person chose to completely disregard our existing section on this form of attack within our Whitepaper.

Instead they chose to make it public so we've had to make a response on the audit (which is now part of the whitepaper): https://github.com/Datamine-Crypto/white-paper/blob/master/docs/audits/librehash.md

Give this audit a read and see why your funds are safe
jr. member
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Follow-up/addendum:  I reached out to the Open Zeppelin team And they did not identify any specific deficiencies with the Datamine smart contract (https://forum.openzeppelin.com/t/question-on-smart-contract-inheriting-from-openzeppelin-erc777-implementation/3328/2).  This does not mean that there are no deficiencies, however, it means that whatever deficiencies exist (if any two) are not widely in publicly disclosed.  Despite my profound skepticism for this project, this news is good for them. Now they just need to solve the inflationary mechanism that is built into the project.  Kudos team - your code isn’t overtly fucked.
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