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Topic: ANN [DENT] Dent: Tokenizing and Liberating the World's Mobile Data - page 144. (Read 98979 times)

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It would be very helpful for potential investors if dev could give us few examples of real life use cases of these "mobile data" that will be connected to a Dent token.

May someone answer my question?
Maybe the videos in their youtube channel can help you with that.
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ICO projects always give me a high profit. I hope the DENT project will be successful and I am happy to be part of the twitter campaign. Good luck to the development team
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legendary
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How is the team going to face these issues and counter them? The team really needs to explain and nail these issues if this project has to become a long term success like an Uber of Internet data. Remember that Uber is facing hell lot of issues right now even after disrupting the field in which it deals with.

I would greatly appreciate if the team answers this and add a well featured video about it in youtube, even write a detailed blog about this issue.


Yes tldr: How to avoid Uber's problems. I would like to hear proposed solutions to this.
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I read your whitepaper, the idea is interesting but how is this supposed to work?

You are trying to offer something that you have no control over, namely unused mobile data traffic.
What leverage do you have over telecom providers?

How are you going to convince them to open their data links to users from abroad just because they have some DENT?
Are you hoping to form a massive userbase which is supposed to pressure their mobile providers to implement DENT?
How are you going to achieve a massive userbase without any funcionallity in the beginning?

What should incentivise telekom providers to use DENT? 33 milion is peanuts for Deutsche Telekom or Verizon. I guess the cost of implementing is higher than that? And if this ever becomes something that market strongly demands why wouldn't telekom providers come up with their own solutions and sideline yours?

It would be interesting to know what the team about this project can tell...

And answering this: "And if this ever becomes something that market strongly demands why wouldn't telekom providers come up with their own solutions and sideline yours?"

Telekom providers won't show any type of these solutions, because their paradigma, way of thinking or the way they see things is not about bringing this type of solutions to mobile users, their goal is to make profits, make money, that's their main focus and goal. In order to achieve something like this, there is the need to think beyond this mentality that most people working in a corporation have these days.


Hi,

Telcos could of course come up with island solutions for their own user base, in fact some telcos have already provided some sort of data pooling or roll-over to the next month, however with DENT we are bridging across operators, and we are providing a platform which scales and removes the need for each and every operator to provide their own. DENT will provide simple integration to the telcos and the telco’s users are ready to go.

Cheers, Mikko












It would be very helpful for potential investors if dev could give us few examples of real life use cases of these "mobile data" that will be connected to a Dent token.

May someone answer my question?


This project (DENT) is really interesting and like everybody else I want it to be successful. However, I don't see how the team is able to implement it. Let assume that the team is able to collect the maximum amount in the ICO and is well supported by the community. Development and marketing goes really well and the community base grows exponentially.They release the app in which users can share data and earn Dent coins. People starts using and things started to get traction.

The operators looses their revenue and soon finds about DENT and the revolution!

And now comes the problem : do you really think the operators would allow this? They could prevent users from sharing data via a third party app like Dent. Even if the users somehow manage to share data, won't there be legal actions from the operators against the users and DENT?

How is the team going to face these issues and counter them? The team really needs to explain and nail these issues if this project has to become a long term success like an Uber of Internet data. Remember that Uber is facing hell lot of issues right now even after disrupting the field in which it deals with.

I would greatly appreciate if the team answers this and add a well featured video about it in youtube, even write a detailed blog about this issue.
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I'm joining signature Campaign and this a promising project.

My personally think everything will be good.

Thanks and good luck.
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It would be very helpful for potential investors if dev could give us few examples of real life use cases of these "mobile data" that will be connected to a Dent token.

May someone answer my question?
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sr. member
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I still not understand how this works, but i will learn how. I am still waiting here too for the start of ico.
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I read your whitepaper, the idea is interesting but how is this supposed to work?

You are trying to offer something that you have no control over, namely unused mobile data traffic.
What leverage do you have over telecom providers?

How are you going to convince them to open their data links to users from abroad just because they have some DENT?
Are you hoping to form a massive userbase which is supposed to pressure their mobile providers to implement DENT?
How are you going to achieve a massive userbase without any funcionallity in the beginning?

What should incentivise telekom providers to use DENT? 33 milion is peanuts for Deutsche Telekom or Verizon. I guess the cost of implementing is higher than that? And if this ever becomes something that market strongly demands why wouldn't telekom providers come up with their own solutions and sideline yours?

It would be interesting to know what the team about this project can tell...

And answering this: "And if this ever becomes something that market strongly demands why wouldn't telekom providers come up with their own solutions and sideline yours?"

Telekom providers won't show any type of these solutions, because their paradigma, way of thinking or the way they see things is not about bringing this type of solutions to mobile users, their goal is to make profits, make money, that's their main focus and goal. In order to achieve something like this, there is the need to think beyond this mentality that most people working in a corporation have these days.


Hi,

Telcos could of course come up with island solutions for their own user base, in fact some telcos have already provided some sort of data pooling or roll-over to the next month, however with DENT we are bridging across operators, and we are providing a platform which scales and removes the need for each and every operator to provide their own. DENT will provide simple integration to the telcos and the telco’s users are ready to go.

Cheers, Mikko











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Many people may think that 100 Billion tokens of DENT will be too much but I am Chinese and Chinese they like lots of tokens as we are a big population. MOBILE INDUSTRY now is very big especially in emerging countries. This is unique tech and may catch on very well.

Hi,

You are right, DENT tokens are planned to be the currency for the buying and selling of mobile data packages. The mobile market is huge, 7,2 Billion Gigabytes / month, generating $32 Billion USD monthly revenue for operators. When the exchange gets larger, there needs to be lot of DENT tokens out there to enable the market. That is why you get 400,000 DENTS with one ETH in this crowdsale. Our target is to spread the tokens to as many people as possible, therefore a small unit price.

BTW: our Presale with the 20% Bonus is going well, we have sold over 2 Billion DENT Tokens in just 3 days already, collecting over 4300 ETH.
thanks everyone for your contributions! If you want to check the resale out, just go here, https://www.dentcoin.com/tokensale/ and after registering, you can directly get to the Presale page.

Have a great day!

-Mikko
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Many people may think that 100 Billion tokens of DENT will be too much but I am Chinese and Chinese they like lots of tokens as we are a big population. MOBILE INDUSTRY now is very big especially in emerging countries. This is unique tech and may catch on very well.
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What is the project listed of DENT?

DENT must be listed in liqui.io

To be a step for listed  and traded  in bittrex


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I do not get the working principle behing this project

Don't you have to make deal with all telcos in the world ?

Yes, how will you make telcos participate in the data market?
sr. member
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Sound like VPN to me  Huh  I'll pass. Wish dev success.
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I do not get the working principle behing this project

Don't you have to make deal with all telcos in the world ?
sr. member
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I don't understand, how can you sell your mobile data? Is it even possible?
I checked whitepaper but didn't understand how to use this token to sell my mobile data in real life.

Hi,

The notion “buying data” is nothing else than getting the right from your telco to send and receive bytes from and to your phone via the telco’s network. The issue DENT solves is, that - unlike fuel - you don’t really own the data you bought, for example you cannot just give it to someone else, or - even worse - you lose the data you bought at the end of the month if not fully used up.
So selling mobile data is therefore nothing else than handing over the right to use the telco’s network from you to someone else, for the specified number of bytes. Technically, this is realized by removing the amount of bytes from your telco account, and adding it to the other person’s telco account.

This already works inside the telco network by some telcos you can for example move data allowance between family members, so why not also inside and outside the network?

Cheers, Mikko
Yes I still do not understand how to sell our data unused
What I know is only the balance to call alone that can be sold while cellular data can not be sold
newbie
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I don't understand, how can you sell your mobile data? Is it even possible?
I checked whitepaper but didn't understand how to use this token to sell my mobile data in real life.

Hi,

The notion “buying data” is nothing else than getting the right from your telco to send and receive bytes from and to your phone via the telco’s network. The issue DENT solves is, that - unlike fuel - you don’t really own the data you bought, for example you cannot just give it to someone else, or - even worse - you lose the data you bought at the end of the month if not fully used up.
So selling mobile data is therefore nothing else than handing over the right to use the telco’s network from you to someone else, for the specified number of bytes. Technically, this is realized by removing the amount of bytes from your telco account, and adding it to the other person’s telco account.

This already works inside the telco network by some telcos you can for example move data allowance between family members, so why not also inside and outside the network?

Cheers, Mikko
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Hi, so I've made a blogpost about DENT and am getting a few questions I need the answers to. Could you help out?

1) Wouldn't the telcos have to agree to this? What is their incentive? ... Would some of the profits go to the telcos? --- well obviously profits would go to the Telcos. But I guess he's asking, how do you get Telcos to offer mobile data to you, which you then distribute on the DENT network?

2) How many telcos do you have on board so far?

3) Are you going to start up an MVNO where people can spend their tokens for data?

Thank you!

Hi, very relevant questions, thanks!

Here quick answers:

Yes, we prefer of course to work together with the telcos, and we are already in conversations with multiple ones. If that takes too long, we always have the option of  launching on our own MVNO with the DENT features.  In the first phase, DENT is attractive to “attacker” telcos who want to lead the market with a customer friendly proposition, i.e. to offer customers to sell, buy or donate mobile data across all DENT users and better roaming etc. DENT is also attractive to existing telcos who want to launch the “data liberalization” proposition anyways, but want to save time and money to build their own platform.

DENT Exchange is a marketplace which makes buying and selling of mobile data easy and dynamic. By making mobile data buying easy, (just like Amazon and ebay made buying and selling of goods easy), we will extend the market of the telcos, and also modernize their business model, buy for example enabling autimatic data buying for iOT devides. Nobody will run with SIM cards any more in the near future. Telcos can not do this fast, since they are competitors, so there needs to be a 3rd party that will do that marketplace.

To drive the pressure on, we will be gathering a growing growing number of DENT users, on who’s behalf we will negotiate with telcos. Remember, every user in the eyes of a telco represents a value of ion average 460 EUR . So 2 million users of 1 telco represents 920 Million Dollar revenue for them. Every telco will listen to that.

We are not worried about fighting against a big industry. I am also Co-Founder of DOVECOT, the IMAP Server, and with that product we are fighting against Oracle, Microsoft and Google, and with actually quite good succes: growing the IMAP market share of Dovecot from 49% to 72% in the last 3 years, having today over 4 million Dovecot servers live. Reference: http://www.openemailsurvey.org

Look back what happened to NOKIA and Blackberry, they just vanished in a few years by not having the product that the users wanted. Therefore telcos should not feel too secure in the monopolistic and silo-like mindset. The users are not happy at the moment, and mobile data is one of the most important commodities in our time.

Thanks for your support!

-Mikko, Co-Founder of DENT Wireless



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No github code either lol, just a shitty idea written on paper. Don't give value to whitepaper, give value to code. No code for a project that lets you sell your data when everyone already has unlimited data. Expect more and more people come trying to abuse the ICO market.

Hi, appreciate your opinion,
agree, that everyone should be careful with ICOs as there is risk of low quality and scam, people should do proper background checks before buying any tokens.
However, DENT is a high quality and high ambition project, the team has proven track record of delivering code at scale, and has deep experience how to partner and integrate with telcos. See the team here: https://www.dentcoin.com/aboutus
Data is (unfortunately) not unlimited - see #57

Best, Mikko
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