Topic: [ANN] DERO: DAG + Cryptonote + Bulletproofs + SSL + POW + Smart Contracts - page 33. (Read 123202 times)

This is million dollar question, thanks Lifetyper.

Just answer my question :
1.where is  the scam?make sure you understand the difference between a tech bug and scam.
2.had captain dump the ppremine,or sold even one single dero from  premine?
3.who  got rich during this scam? By scam whose Money.

I really dont think Serena and Mojo have been bad mods, yeah a few wrong bans perhaps, but it seems people are suddenly making all the problems of the project to be due to them. E.g. They didn't choose to disclose little to none information - they just didn't have any.

Can I ask the two of you (Mojo and Serena); You now say the project is a scam, is that due to the decisions of Captain regarding marketing/premine, or due to the tech? Do you still feel that the technology will be as promised?

We were quite literally just following Captain's directions at the time, and if you take the time to think critically, you'll see that we were the people standing up for your interests, and those of the entire community. We did our best to be good team members who showed unity, and support for our team, while also trying to be the voices that the community needs to keep Captain honest even if it means that we may look negative in your eyes, and those of some others until you've had time to work your way through this in your own time.

I do find it curious (hilarious) that you can see for yourself which side we've been on (yours as a community member) and yet you still choose to ignore that for reasons beyond reasonable and logical comprehension.

Then why didn't you voice that when we were talking whether the ANN should be that night or during AMA in DCAB? And again, how is that on me and not on your captain who did the "promotion" ?

That's your Captain, ask him

while I do hate the way you treated community members for longtimr,even before you left.

Captain "promoted" me to Serena's roles 12 hours before the AMA, and was scheduled to ANN during AMA

just to remind someone who can't see this

That was literally a week or so before the last commit to github for the original golang version,Mojo and that's what was being referenced... It wasn't in reference to Atlantis at all.

Also the current version of Atlantis is V2, so yes there will be a release of the current code, to multiple coin devs.... this Friday.

What does that answer? The 3 minutes block time persisted from Helium Hydra, which every other CN coin got it correctly, through the Golang version which you, no changes were ever made there till Atlantis starting block height 95551, and you knew about that issue since Feb, as shown in screenshots

After Atlantis, also as shown in screenshots, you knew the network is generating 14% more emissions and 21% more blocks than intended, while Topoheight to Height difference is way larger than your expected 10-15%, and as you say ALL IS VERIFIABLE yet you ignore every talk of it and brag about other things, that you are still promising to release code for it, which brings me to the following:


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33097596
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33883051

To refresh your memory, and I intentionally snipped as well as linked, you have been promising code then delaying since March, days after the release of Golang version.. Not the version that's currently on github (derosuite), the privately written version that you are taking the focus away from it for unknown reasons...

Time over time you promised to release code, and every single time you delay.. Even on Atlantis you told us to tell everyone that it's going to be out after mainnet, then you said you want to give access to cryptographers only but refused every single person who came forward, many who are more experienced than you, also for yet unknown reasons... Then now you promise some devs private access to code, which I have no idea if you will go through with it, conspire with someone to say they did have access, or (most likely) just delay as usual also for unknown reasons..

no need for any prove, we all knew this fact. There were several times when captain was traveling, the codev fix bugs and introduce new functions,.

this remains to be proved

Serena and mojo were not developers, they were community managers. There are still 3 devs.

To CaptDero,
It is sad to know two core members will leave.
Will you continue to develop DERO by you own?

Dero Technology: External Developer's Review

Call out to developers of cryptocurrency and blockchain projects to review the Dero Atlantis source code and cryptography.

Venue: https://discord.gg/GmDgjkD
Start Date: 20 July 2018
Start Time: 05:00 UTC
Duration: Ongoing
Instructions: On entry, please notify the moderators/DCAB members that you would like access to the Source Code AMA. You may be required to provide verification that you are a core developer of a cryptocurrency/blockchain project. No personal data is needed. You are encouraged to request for entry at your earliest convenience before or on 20 July 2018.

We are excited to announce that Dero is ready for it's external audit and review of it's technology, and we are inviting core developers of cryptocurrency and blockchain projects to be a part of the process! If you are a cryptography expert, academic researchers not involved to any cryptocurrency or blockchain project, you are also welcome to request for access but you will be required to prove your identity, background and/or prior work.

Dero is an exciting new project that combines the powerful privacy features of the Cryptonote protocol with the fast transactional speeds from the Directed Acyclic Graph protocol. Rewritten from the ground up in Golang, Dero is also the first blockchain to have complete SSL in the P2P layer.

Among it's other features at the time of writing:

the zero-knowledge proof protocol Bulletproofs Ring Signature; and
75 transactions per second on native blockchain.
There are many more features to be added in the future, but the scope of this session will solely be for the purposes of reviewing the unique implementation of the network and cryptography. We fully welcome your questions and candor during the session and hope that it would be a productive event for everyone.

The session will be take place in a private channel in our Discord chatroom, and the session will be archived and made available to the public domain for the cryptocurrency/blockchain community. Do not re-distribute the version of source code received. A publicly available version of the source code will be released at a later date.

From members of the Dero Community Advisory Board (DCAB)

For first four months dero network was running on Monero Helium-Hydra code fork, it is opensource and still on github https://github.com/deroproject/dero
DERO network was running good with opensource Monero code till there was attack on several CryptoNote networks. By that time we had partially written Golang code and few of the nodes were migrated to new dero GOLANG code and those nodes were secure and protected from time-warp attacks and thousands of block were mined in few hours but DERO new Golang code refused to accept those blocks. In hurry we migrated all nodes on Golang code. DERO exchanges were down for long as we didn't have any rpc-interface written in Golang-code due to emergency migration .
Till then we already realized its impossible to stop 51% and double attacks with existing blockchain technology. So we decided and wrote Atlantis with DERO DAG.

For details of attack pls see ,its already on forum https://forum.dero.io/t/bizarre-behavior-of-the-official-pool-statistics/357
Also anyone can go through this ANN thread to refresh memories and details.




Every real CryptoNote devs know each coin generated on CryptoNote protocol is audit-able even after years.

Pls feel free to discuss with me something good and technical on discord: https://discord.gg/aQcphjF

DERO Facts : First blockchain to have: DeroDAG + Cryptonote + Bulletproofs + Complete SSL + POW. Blocktime 12 secs + Confirmation times 2 mins.


Thanks.

Regards.
Captain

So what exactly is the issue here, then?  Perhaps that is as intended, to compensate for the lower emission rate before?  I have read again, and more carefully and slowly than before, Serena and Mojo’s Medium article.  It is clear to me that they have only presented partial information as to what went wrong in the relationship between them and Capt.  After that careful reading, I can say with some confidence that there is no actual evidence of wrongdoing on Capt’s part.  Sure, there is the stuff about possibly using John McAfee, and perhaps using premine on a different schedule than before, and appointing members of DCAB rather than letting the community handle that entirely themselves, and Serena seemed to react (internally) very badly to these things.  But there is not even circumstantial evidence that Capt has acted dishonestly, and certainly not the sort of evidence you’d need to conclude that Dero is a ‘scam’ project, not even close.  Furthermore, it may be that Capt has his own reasons for not liking the way Serena/Mojo handled moderation, or thought they were doing things out of their remit, or any other number of things.  He hasn’t commented on those, but we can assume that he has his own side of the story, completely untold here. 

The unlocking of the premine, and the combination of anon devs and no source yet released, sure these are issues as have been discussed here a lot already, but these issues were already known before Serena and Mojo let themselves loose.  The issues of block times were not raised before, but anyone might have noticed those issues earlier as the data was already there.  The single new piece of information to come out of all that was the McAfee connection.  And it isn’t even certain that this is what Capt was going to do; it was just an idea he was toying with.

I have yet to collate the evidence that Serena and Mojo themselves operated a scam; I still think that is unlikely (though I would like to look at their communications, in combination with Capt’s, through the pumping and subsequent dumping period, to see if there is any circumstantial evidence).  The provisional conclusion I have come to so far is:

- Capt likes to run this project along his own terms and according to his own preferences, and does not run it as a community project in the way that Serena, and possibly Mojo, originally conceived of and perhaps thought they had signed up to when joining the project

- Capt is also willing to change the way things work, adapting to changing conditions, as time goes along; which S/M interpreted as “going back on commitments or ideals” rather than flexibly changing the way the project was run to adapt to changing circumstances (e.g. the ASIC stuff and McAfee)

- Serena, and to a lesser extent Mojo, went beyond their remit in trying to control the way the project was run, according to their ideals rather than Capt’s preferences

- Communication between S/M and Capt started to break down as a result of this, and Capt communicated less with them the more important information of the project, and this made the frustrations of S/M worse

- It got to a point where they found the working conditions intolerable and abruptly left, causing all the mayhem we have experienced

I am not passing judgment on the way they handled this or on them as people, I am just trying to come to an objective viewpoint about what happened.  I also understand less clearly Mojo’s role in all of this; it looks like he increasingly came under the spell of Serena’s thinking, but it is not clear.  As far as it goes though I think the above interpretation fits the facts as we know them.

For us as a community, there are these outstanding issues I think, in no particular order:

1. the locking of premine
2. the changing emission rates
3. the marketing with McAfee and possibly spending part of premine earlier than original stated
4. the main devs anonymity
5. the opening of source to outside audit
6. the forming of a foundation
7. adding Dero to new exchanges


Capt has issued statements on issues 4, 5, and 6.  (Personally I don’t care if devs remain anonymous if all other issues are adequately dealt with, but that’s just me.)  If people are not sure to trust his statements, it would be good to go over all past statements on this thread - *his* statements and not Serena’s and Mojo’s - to evaluate the likelihood of his honouring his commitments in these two regards.  Note that a significant portion of what people complained about when they complained about the project not meeting goals were based on Serena and Mojo’s statements as community managers/moderators, and not Capt’s statements directly.  All that needs to be parsed out.

Regarding 1, 2 and 3, I think we should collectively ask him for some sort of statement on these matters.  Perhaps this is a matter for the DCAB.  Magicsmoker is active here on this thread and is a member of DCAB; perhaps he would like to comment on this?  Regarding 1, Capt has made some efforts to show that premine is intact (as of 12 July I think) but this doesn’t really go far enough; a more robust method of verifying that premine is intact is needed than a dated screenshot, and also some sort of statement about the future locking of stages of the premine as we originally conceived (even if an official statement to the effect that premine will remain unlocked for whatever reasons).

Regarding 7, I think it is too early to worry about this.  We need to wait until other issues are resolved.

but now the emission is higher than before, not the opposite

What is significance of this?  Why did it happen?  I don’t full understand the Serena allegation that it means coins were “hidden mined” and siphoned off to an unknown wallet.  For this explanation to make sense, there would have to be other evidence.  As it stands, it means emission curve is lower, that’s all.  What is the other evidence concerning this issue?  What is Capt’s statement about it (if any)?