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Topic: [ANN] DERO: DAG + Cryptonote + Bulletproofs + SSL + POW + Smart Contracts - page 34. (Read 123199 times)

newbie
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The premine remaining unlocked isn't a red herring. When you say its locked and its not thats bad. When you say it'll be locked till x date and you're trying to dip into it prior to that it doesn't look good. Even if its for marketing and not his personal gain. There is absolutely zero excuse for that premine not being locked right now. He needs to start listening to others instead of astroturfing the ANN thread an purging anyone who doesn't just go along to get along. Creating a hand selected community committee is just another form of astroturfing. Its to appease the community an give the illusion that their voices matter when it clearly doesn't. Much like anytime someone brings up complaints in this ANN thread in come brand new accounts praising Dero an Captain trying to drown out any criticism. That isn't an effective long term strat as most people can see right through it.

Dero is not your traditional copy/pasta fork blockchain or big ico without any successful working product. Dero is one of the legitimate product in recent time crypto has seen. Prior to atlantis version blocktime was 2 mins and now its 12 seconds. Blocktime has reduced 10 times. Even if premine was fully locked for 4 years earlier it would open in 48/10= 4.8 months. Those who are following dero deveopment since start will keep loving dero. Earlier It was high lighted by community itself to not lock premine till block-time is finalized..

no Serena is right, it wasn't 2 min in average,but about 3 minutes, it's very easy to verify it

in 7 month (before atlantis release) it should be around 150k blocks, in fact it was less than 100k.

with 2 minutes blocks, it's 720/day: 720*30*7= 151200
newbie
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MagicSmoker, just want to point out that your logic rests on the assumption that portions of the premine have not been slowly bled into the market over the past months. I am not claiming that to be the case, but rather only saying that given the closed source, the possibility cannot be ruled out.

You should ask yourself, I think, why it is that captain would post a screenshot of a view-only wallet to "prove" that the premine is intact, when that shows only incoming transactions. If he wants to show that, he should use the full wallet and show the outgoing transactions, too. But even then, we run into the closed-source problem, since a screenshot can be doctored, or generated with a wallet one-off compiled just for the purpose, or may show newly-minted dero being received.
jr. member
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The premine remaining unlocked isn't a red herring. When you say its locked and its not thats bad. When you say it'll be locked till x date and you're trying to dip into it prior to that it doesn't look good. Even if its for marketing and not his personal gain. There is absolutely zero excuse for that premine not being locked right now. He needs to start listening to others instead of astroturfing the ANN thread an purging anyone who doesn't just go along to get along. Creating a hand selected community committee is just another form of astroturfing. Its to appease the community an give the illusion that their voices matter when it clearly doesn't. Much like anytime someone brings up complaints in this ANN thread in come brand new accounts praising Dero an Captain trying to drown out any criticism. That isn't an effective long term strat as most people can see right through it.

Dero is not your traditional copy/pasta fork blockchain or big ico without any successful working product. Dero is one of the legitimate product in recent time crypto has seen. Prior to atlantis version blocktime was 2 mins and now its 12 seconds. Blocktime has reduced 10 times. Even if premine was fully locked for 4 years earlier it would open in 48/10= 4.8 months. Those who are following dero deveopment since start will keep loving dero. Earlier It was high lighted by community itself to not lock premine till block-time is finalized..
full member
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Dumping the 2m DERO premine is the last thing I'm worried about as there isn't anywhere close to enough liquidity - daily trading volume is less than 5 BTC.

In fact, the current liquidity is insufficient to sell even 1% of the premine (20k DERO) without taking more than 2 weeks or else accepting an average price of at least 50% down from the current bid to get sufficient depth in the order book.

So, I see the premine being unlocked as a bit of a red herring.

The one issue I do worry about is that currently the dev(s) are anonymous and the source is closed - basically, you can have one or the other in crypto, but not both - however the source is (supposedly) being released to any CryptoNote devs on July 20th, and more publicly a few weeks from now. This is a change in plans from the previous estimate of only releasing the source after a foundation was set up, so CaptDero seems to be responding to community pressure.


The premine remaining unlocked isn't a red herring. When you say its locked and its not thats bad. When you say it'll be locked till x date and you're trying to dip into it prior to that it doesn't look good. Even if its for marketing and not his personal gain. There is absolutely zero excuse for that premine not being locked right now. He needs to start listening to others instead of astroturfing the ANN thread an purging anyone who doesn't just go along to get along. Creating a hand selected community committee is just another form of astroturfing. Its to appease the community an give the illusion that their voices matter when it clearly doesn't. Much like anytime someone brings up complaints in this ANN thread in come brand new accounts praising Dero an Captain trying to drown out any criticism. That isn't an effective long term strat as most people can see right through it.

I agree with you in principle but not in practice; do you understand the difference? Yes, it is totally wrong to unlock a previously locked premine, but with a daily trading volume in the range of 20-30k DERO you couldn't sell more than about 2k DERO per day without causing price to drop into the gutter. Ergo, this not nearly as troubling to me as the combo of anonymous dev(s) and unreleased source code.

As for DCAB being just a way to co-opt enemies, if you had actually bothered to read all of my posts rather than cherry-pick phrases - not even entire sentences - to respond to you might have noticed that this very thing had already occurred to me. Consequently, I seem to be playing the role of the Loyal Opposition on DCAB, to use a parliamentary turn of phrase, and I have even been somewhat successful at it.
newbie
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All you claimed can only be taken as bug.Where is the scam?Did captain dump the premine?Anyone get rich in this scam?

Scam devs are sometimes even too dumb to pull off a scam. And believe it or not but some of them would even scam for a couple of dollars.
it is easy for the captain to make a new coin, sell all premine, should thank the serena and mojo for giving the correct information about the opening of the premine

Dumping the 2m DERO premine is the last thing I'm worried about as there isn't anywhere close to enough liquidity - daily trading volume is less than 5 BTC.

In fact, the current liquidity is insufficient to sell even 1% of the premine (20k DERO) without taking more than 2 weeks or else accepting an average price of at least 50% down from the current bid to get sufficient depth in the order book.

So, I see the premine being unlocked as a bit of a red herring.

The one issue I do worry about is that currently the dev(s) are anonymous and the source is closed - basically, you can have one or the other in crypto, but not both - however the source is (supposedly) being released to any CryptoNote devs on July 20th, and more publicly a few weeks from now. This is a change in plans from the previous estimate of only releasing the source after a foundation was set up, so CaptDero seems to be responding to community pressure.



The premine remaining unlocked isn't a red herring. When you say its locked and its not thats bad. When you say it'll be locked till x date and you're trying to dip into it prior to that it doesn't look good. Even if its for marketing and not his personal gain. There is absolutely zero excuse for that premine not being locked right now. He needs to start listening to others instead of astroturfing the ANN thread an purging anyone who doesn't just go along to get along. Creating a hand selected community committee is just another form of astroturfing. Its to appease the community an give the illusion that their voices matter when it clearly doesn't. Much like anytime someone brings up complaints in this ANN thread in come brand new accounts praising Dero an Captain trying to drown out any criticism. That isn't an effective long term strat as most people can see right through it.
full member
Activity: 420
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All you claimed can only be taken as bug.Where is the scam?Did captain dump the premine?Anyone get rich in this scam?

Scam devs are sometimes even too dumb to pull off a scam. And believe it or not but some of them would even scam for a couple of dollars.
it is easy for the captain to make a new coin, sell all premine, should thank the serena and mojo for giving the correct information about the opening of the premine

Dumping the 2m DERO premine is the last thing I'm worried about as there isn't anywhere close to enough liquidity - daily trading volume is less than 5 BTC.

In fact, the current liquidity is insufficient to sell even 1% of the premine (20k DERO) without taking more than 2 weeks or else accepting an average price of at least 50% down from the current bid to get sufficient depth in the order book.

So, I see the premine being unlocked as a bit of a red herring.

The one issue I do worry about is that currently the dev(s) are anonymous and the source is closed - basically, you can have one or the other in crypto, but not both - however the source is (supposedly) being released to any CryptoNote devs on July 20th, and more publicly a few weeks from now. This is a change in plans from the previous estimate of only releasing the source after a foundation was set up, so CaptDero seems to be responding to community pressure.

member
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Not only FUD :)
are u idiots in this topic or what?

we are speaking about a project with less than 2 mln capitalization. in terms of numbers is almost 2000 ppl putting 1000 dollar each....

do u think ppl get poor for a fucking 1000 dollars?

for u is a scam? ok mojo and serena for me and others is not a problem to lose 1000 dollars... maybe for u is the 2 month salary.

than serena, mojo and other stupid members not relating to this project shut the fuck up.

hope this topic is closed
newbie
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sr. member
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Scam devs are sometimes even too dumb to pull off a scam. And believe it or not but some of them would even scam for a couple of dollars.
In this regard, of course everyone has a different appetite. Ranging from a couple of dollars to several million are now trading scammers. But many people do not want to learn to recognize scams, all want to just have a lot of money without doing anything.
newbie
Activity: 58
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All you claimed can only be taken as bug.Where is the scam?Did captain dump the premine?Anyone get rich in this scam?

Scam devs are sometimes even too dumb to pull off a scam. And believe it or not but some of them would even scam for a couple of dollars.
it is easy for the captain to make a new coin, sell all premine, should thank the serena and mojo for giving the correct information about the opening of the premine
sr. member
Activity: 840
Merit: 251
All you claimed can only be taken as bug.Where is the scam?Did captain dump the premine?Anyone get rich in this scam?

Scam devs are sometimes even too dumb to pull off a scam. And believe it or not but some of them would even scam for a couple of dollars.
newbie
Activity: 58
Merit: 0
supporters of the community who participated from the first, must smile, they have thrown away all coin when moon, they are the vga miners who have been set aside by the captain Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink
newbie
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Suffice now. Serena and Mojo leave if you want but pity stop the FUD. We understand that for you Dero was a scam, but understand that we still believe in the project. I respect you and I ask you on behalf of your old community to stop fighting Dero. Thank you
newbie
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i agree with this

Captain your patience is amazing. You never spoke a single negative word against this two self-proclaimed morons on any channel.
Only true professional can demonstrate such behavior and keep calm.
Discord users enjoyed the show how serena was literally begging community to take her back to the same community she used to ban and hate for no reason.
serena is the same person who used to spread hatred on 4chan. She was back stabbing dero since beginning.




jr. member
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Captain your patience is amazing. You never spoke a single negative word against this two self-proclaimed morons on any channel.
Only true professional can demonstrate such behavior and keep calm.
Discord users enjoyed the show how serena was literally begging community to take her back to the same community she used to ban and hate for no reason.
serena is the same person who used to spread hatred on 4chan. She was back stabbing dero since beginning.



newbie
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Whats the problem now? Its about value?
I am in Lost Also. People who choose dero
Because why?
I choose cause i believe in the project.
I see the devs working on product.
Hold your coins and get back a year if the
Problem is Money. Every project have is problems.
The important its to solve it.
jr. member
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No, I don't have multiple accounts

Please try to refute facts/evidence with facts/evidence. Try to prove that anything we said is wrong
newbie
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Yeah, I sold 100% of my dero

!!!!!!!!QUESTION!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!QUESTION!!!!!!!

@Serena @Mojo_LB

Hello Serena and Mojo,

As you may know I invest Dero a lot beacuse of you spread very postive information in community. Now I know both of you confirm that you sold DERO you hold..

May I ask you a question that DO YOU SELL YOUR DERO AND THEN START WHAT YOU DO NOW?

It is really not acceptable you both as official team memeber saying this project is a scam after you clear your DERO. It is a typical inside trade and give us a very hard time.

Could you please let me know how you think of this part?


Serena and Mojo,

Please help reply my question when you are online.
copper member
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Co-founder of FlipHodl.com - ICO analyses
Let's move on, that "community manager are pissed off" story is pointless.
full member
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Esport Ecosystem
If this is scam then I will not sell my dero coin, cause I dont wanna scam the others with this. Still hold mine & still dont f***in care it will be.
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