Topic: [ANN] DERO: DAG + Cryptonote + Bulletproofs + SSL + POW + Smart Contracts - page 72. (Read 123199 times)
May 17, 2018, 05:44:21 AM
This is an innovative coin. I like where this is going. Accumulate and hold.
May 17, 2018, 12:10:23 AM
I like the simple Cli wallet, gives me a feel of being more in control. I will take that over the new Monero GUI anyday.
Good grief. Guess you aren't aware that Monero has a CLI wallet also.
He said "NEW" and GUI, so I imagine he does know that.
Yeah the "simple cli wallet" is found in many coins and the Monero GUI is an example of how to not make a GUI wallet in 2018. But it seems that some people come here to FUD and are overly sensitive when Monero is mentioned, strange...
May 16, 2018, 10:34:21 PM
I'm going to get a trivia bot going in a Dero discord channel soon for fun. I am also going to periodically give away a little bit of Dero (nothing crazy, like $1 worth per round) some rounds
Why are you quoting what I said in Slack?
May 16, 2018, 10:31:46 PM
I'm going to get a trivia bot going in a Dero discord channel soon for fun. I am also going to periodically give away a little bit of Dero (nothing crazy, like $1 worth per round) some rounds
May 16, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
most of us dumped the coin when it hit 3.5 USD, its only a matter of time before it goes back to 30 cents.
I don't want to feed this, just wanna add that I don't believe it's true. I'm one of those mates who have been collecting Dero non stop since it was $0.3 and just "dumped" few coins at 29k and 39k sat as I remembered, then bought all those few coins back. Honestly I'll feel bad if it goes back to 30 cents but I do not think it ever will, or I will have a very very little chance to buy much more (if nothing worse happens to the team and the fundamental).
I had a look at Slack today and oh well, an ocean mother tons of text. Took me an hour to read and understand cause it was mostly technical (I'm just a humble unexperienced investar). I'm a bit worry for Serena, since Dero appeared to the outside world, her work becomes heavier than ever. With all my respect, she and our three Dero devs must be monsters to do all those things when available 20-24/7.
Guys and girl, keep up the good work but don't forget to take care for your selves.
May 16, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
About DERO 
The Dero Project has written a unique new blockchain technology that is based on the CryptoNote protocol. Dero's goal is to create a unique state of the art blockchain technology with enhanced reliability, privacy, security, usability, and portability by bringing together some of the best proven technologies like the CryptoNote protocol and smart contracts, thereby allowing for the creation of truly private smart contracts.
The Dero development team has implemented complete SSL across the Dero network which is a first on any blockchain. This encrypts the entirety of our network traffic, which greatly reduces our attack surface, while simultaneously preventing ISPs or other users from analyzing Dero’s network traffic.
Dero's Key Features 
- DERO is a completely new and unique CryptoNote blockchain written in Golang
- DERO is the first blockchain to have complete SSL in the P2P layer
- DERO will be the first CryptoNote blockchain to have 500 transactions per second on its native blockchain without any lightning networks, validators or off-blockchain solutions
- DERO will be first CryptoNote blockchain to have smart contracts on its native chain without any extra layers or secondary blockchains
- CryptoNote privacy
- Smart contracts
- Atomic swaps
- Mobile and offline wallets
- Lightweight wallets
- Subaddresses
- Escrow services on the blockchain
- Address signing and certifying
- Voting on a private blockchain
About The Developers 
There are three developers working on the Dero Project who have been working in the field of cryptography and blockchain development as a team for more than a decade. Dero's research and development team are devoted full time to the project, and can often be found in our Slack channel. For now, the development team are choosing to retain their privacy until the Dero Project incorporates.
Coin Specifications 
- Proof-of-work (PoW) algorithm: CryptoNight
- Max supply: 18.4 million for the first 8 years followed by an infinite emission rate after year 8 of ~157,000 DERO/year
- Block reward: Smoothly varying
- Block time: 120 seconds
- Difficulty: Retargets at every block
- Ticker: DERO
Dero's Roadmap 
- Q1/2018 - Dero's new unique blockchain written and full Activation. - Completed ahead of schedule with the extra addition of complete SSL across Dero's network
- Q2/2018 - Record CryptoNote TX/sec, GUI wallets, sub addresses, atomic swaps, and smart contract testing.
- Q3/2018 - Smart contract support on chain. Q3 2018.
- Q4/2018 - Strategic market expansion, team growth, and more (coming soon).
Dero Related Links 
Resource Links
WEBSITE: https://dero.io/
FORUM: https://forum.dero.io/
EXPLORER: https://explorer.dero.io
OFFICIAL POOL: http://pool.dero.live/
BINARIES: http://seeds.dero.io/alpha/
Exchanges & Stats:
EXCHANGE: https://stocks.exchange/trade/DERO/BTC
EXCHANGE: https://tradeogre.com/exchange/BTC-DERO
EXCHANGE: https://www.southxchange.com/Balance/Index/DERO
Stats: https://coincodex.com/crypto/dero/
Stats: https://www.difficultychart.com/dero
Stats: https://www.cryptunit.com/coin/DERO
Articles and Media Content 
Dero: A new blockchain technology that brings CryptoNote privacy together with smart contracts.
Shifting from alpha to beta: CryptoNote with smart contracts
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May 16, 2018, 09:20:18 PM
It's called conflict of interest my good sir. Trust me, they didn't mine monero for a year then release the asics. I mined monero for over a year, the network behavior was normal until February. So its hard to believe.
Do you really believe Bitmain are angels and tell the public about their ASICs immediatly and sell them?
Dero has been secure for over a month and handing over the hashing power to asics makes the network more vulnerable because they have ALL the hashing power right now. Doesn't seem all that secure.
Dero has had extreme high hashrate attacks because of this, much higher then other coins. But in contrast to other coins it withstood the attacks. I believe the experience with these ASICs on the network will enable the Devs to create the most secure blockchain ever.
Why would bitmain reveal that they had been running these asics for a year? Why did the monero network behave normal? The mapping of the network was distributed which makes me wonder how bitmain managed that for a year. No leaks either huh. Maybe they just said they used them for a year because they wanted to reassure anyone willing to buy their product.
Centralize a coin to have the most secure blockchain, turn your back on your base and network supporters... but preach decentralization with a 10% premine. That makes sense. Most projects don't have to do that though which is weird. Asic miners are going to mine Dero until Atlantis, then dump it. Dero is getting smart contracts until Q3 and won't have partnerships until Q4... who is going to pay attention to this coin? Also, they have to go against Wanchain and another gem currently being built. Clean projects with serious backers and dedicated early investors. If you pay attention to the network of sidechains being created on ethereum... the ecosystem that will be accomplished before Dero even seeks out partners or finishes their code for smart contracts... They have 3 developers holding 10% premine. Three developers! THREE. You can say... yea and CapDero wrote a blockchain from the ground up... but that is not what really happened. They forked off monero and translated it to Golang changing a few things. That is the same thing as having a beautiful blueprint and translating it and adding a few things... If this project picks up again, it's going to be a long long time before it picks up. At the rate crypto moves, Dero is far behind. Without it's early supporters to promote it Dero is good as dead, most of us dumped the coin when it hit 3.5 USD, its only a matter of time before it goes back to 30 cents. This is what drives the market, if you think its something else, good luck in the crypto world.
Didn't you say that you already sold all of your dero and moved on? You're doing a whole lot of hanging around for somebody that has moved on. Also, for someone that has been around since "day one" you don't seem familiar. If you have no dog in the fight, then you have no reason to be here trying to make others second guess the project.
So, I'll just go ahead and say it. You are trolling and spreading FUD. I will not respond to anything else you say so, don't waste your time if you are looking for a rise out of me. You obviously have a motive that you are not being transparent about.
Just educating you, no fud just the go around of crypto. You don't have to believe everything I wrote before. Just do a TA on Dero and compare it to the behavior of coins that are dead or dying. If you don't know how, just ask any TA expert or ask Ian Balina
they will reaffirm. You are right though, I shouldn't even care or be around this project anymore so bye bye. Good luck. FYI the forecast link posted by another member is used to pump and dump coins. Use TA(Technical Analysis) instead, be smart.
May 16, 2018, 09:03:33 PM
Hello Dero community! Seem like Dero has more and more strong debate cause it has gained more and more attention. I have couple of precious Deros so it's fun to see where it's going. Don't be stressful, let's be chill and take a look at the price prediction of Deros: http://www.coinliker.com/forecast/dero-4M4V-prediction
Watching the site's prediction is just for fun, their Forecast algorithm applied to some coins is somewhat nonsense
, but strangely I my self don't think it's unreasonable for Dero to reach those prices. Keep up the good work Devs!
Watching the site's prediction is just for fun, their Forecast algorithm applied to some coins is somewhat nonsense
, but strangely I my self don't think it's unreasonable for Dero to reach those prices. Keep up the good work Devs! May 16, 2018, 07:52:36 PM
Isn't that what the sweep all command is for?
Perhaps this helps illustrate why we need to reduce as many barriers as possible by simplifying the user experience while maintaining all of the functionality.
May 16, 2018, 07:10:14 PM
You know decent projects have GUI wallets right away. Most developers are able to make them in a couple days. I never understood why Dero wanted to wait until Q2. Six months after starting the project. Maybe they are making a wallet that will blow our minds, maybe they wanted to wait until Atlantis, but who knows. Six months is a long time.
Have you tried the command line wallet for Dero? It is a big improvement on the regular CN CLI wallets. Significantly more user-friendly, with a menu system, and useful functions (such as transferring entire wallet balance with automatic fee calculation instead of endless fiddling with the amount).
Isn't that what the sweep all command is for?
Why yes, it is. Good catch. What would we do without you?
May 16, 2018, 07:09:35 PM
I like the simple Cli wallet, gives me a feel of being more in control. I will take that over the new Monero GUI anyday.
Good grief. Guess you aren't aware that Monero has a CLI wallet also.
He said "NEW" and GUI, so I imagine he does know that.
May 16, 2018, 06:41:31 PM
You know decent projects have GUI wallets right away. Most developers are able to make them in a couple days. I never understood why Dero wanted to wait until Q2. Six months after starting the project. Maybe they are making a wallet that will blow our minds, maybe they wanted to wait until Atlantis, but who knows. Six months is a long time.
Have you tried the command line wallet for Dero? It is a big improvement on the regular CN CLI wallets. Significantly more user-friendly, with a menu system, and useful functions (such as transferring entire wallet balance with automatic fee calculation instead of endless fiddling with the amount).
Isn't that what the sweep all command is for?
May 16, 2018, 06:40:29 PM
I like the simple Cli wallet, gives me a feel of being more in control. I will take that over the new Monero GUI anyday.
Good grief. Guess you aren't aware that Monero has a CLI wallet also.
May 16, 2018, 06:20:01 PM
It's called conflict of interest my good sir. Trust me, they didn't mine monero for a year then release the asics. I mined monero for over a year, the network behavior was normal until February. So its hard to believe.
Do you really believe Bitmain are angels and tell the public about their ASICs immediatly and sell them?
Dero has been secure for over a month and handing over the hashing power to asics makes the network more vulnerable because they have ALL the hashing power right now. Doesn't seem all that secure.
Dero has had extreme high hashrate attacks because of this, much higher then other coins. But in contrast to other coins it withstood the attacks. I believe the experience with these ASICs on the network will enable the Devs to create the most secure blockchain ever.
Why would bitmain reveal that they had been running these asics for a year? Why did the monero network behave normal? The mapping of the network was distributed which makes me wonder how bitmain managed that for a year. No leaks either huh. Maybe they just said they used them for a year because they wanted to reassure anyone willing to buy their product.
Centralize a coin to have the most secure blockchain, turn your back on your base and network supporters... but preach decentralization with a 10% premine. That makes sense. Most projects don't have to do that though which is weird. Asic miners are going to mine Dero until Atlantis, then dump it. Dero is getting smart contracts until Q3 and won't have partnerships until Q4... who is going to pay attention to this coin? Also, they have to go against Wanchain and another gem currently being built. Clean projects with serious backers and dedicated early investors. If you pay attention to the network of sidechains being created on ethereum... the ecosystem that will be accomplished before Dero even seeks out partners or finishes their code for smart contracts... They have 3 developers holding 10% premine. Three developers! THREE. You can say... yea and CapDero wrote a blockchain from the ground up... but that is not what really happened. They forked off monero and translated it to Golang changing a few things. That is the same thing as having a beautiful blueprint and translating it and adding a few things... If this project picks up again, it's going to be a long long time before it picks up. At the rate crypto moves, Dero is far behind. Without it's early supporters to promote it Dero is good as dead, most of us dumped the coin when it hit 3.5 USD, its only a matter of time before it goes back to 30 cents. This is what drives the market, if you think its something else, good luck in the crypto world.
Didn't you say that you already sold all of your dero and moved on? You're doing a whole lot of hanging around for somebody that has moved on. Also, for someone that has been around since "day one" you don't seem familiar. If you have no dog in the fight, then you have no reason to be here trying to make others second guess the project.
So, I'll just go ahead and say it. You are trolling and spreading FUD. I will not respond to anything else you say so, don't waste your time if you are looking for a rise out of me. You obviously have a motive that you are not being transparent about.
May 16, 2018, 06:15:52 PM
If you pay attention to the network of sidechains being created on xyz
Dero is a layer 1 solution and a platform, not a layer 2 solution on another's platform
CapDero wrote a blockchain from the ground up... but that is not what really happened.
A quote from our lead developer "Every part of the DERO blockchain from P2P protocol, Consensus protocol, POW, Forking, Security, Scalability, Wallets is being re-designed to meet DERO vision." So, everything was written from the ground up, and many things were fixed, adjusted, changed, and so on
They forked off monero and translated it to Golang changing a few things.
Essentially everything was changed (already), and in the not so distant future perhaps we can literally say "100% of everything"
If you have any questions about what Dero is, please don't hesitate to reach out and contact me. I think there may have been a misunderstanding in a few particular areas like the layer 1 vs side-chain comment. Let me know if I can be of any help!
May 16, 2018, 05:16:08 PM
It's called conflict of interest my good sir. Trust me, they didn't mine monero for a year then release the asics. I mined monero for over a year, the network behavior was normal until February. So its hard to believe.
Do you really believe Bitmain are angels and tell the public about their ASICs immediatly and sell them?
Dero has been secure for over a month and handing over the hashing power to asics makes the network more vulnerable because they have ALL the hashing power right now. Doesn't seem all that secure.
Dero has had extreme high hashrate attacks because of this, much higher then other coins. But in contrast to other coins it withstood the attacks. I believe the experience with these ASICs on the network will enable the Devs to create the most secure blockchain ever.
Why would bitmain reveal that they had been running these asics for a year? Why did the monero network behave normal? The mapping of the network was distributed which makes me wonder how bitmain managed that for a year. No leaks either huh. Maybe they just said they used them for a year because they wanted to reassure anyone willing to buy their product.
Centralize a coin to have the most secure blockchain, turn your back on your base and network supporters... but preach decentralization with a 10% premine. That makes sense. Most projects don't have to do that though which is weird. Asic miners are going to mine Dero until Atlantis, then dump it. Dero is getting smart contracts until Q3 and won't have partnerships until Q4... who is going to pay attention to this coin? Also, they have to go against Wanchain and another gem currently being built. Clean projects with serious backers and dedicated early investors. If you pay attention to the network of sidechains being created on ethereum... the ecosystem that will be accomplished before Dero even seeks out partners or finishes their code for smart contracts... They have 3 developers holding 10% premine. Three developers! THREE. You can say... yea and CapDero wrote a blockchain from the ground up... but that is not what really happened. They forked off monero and translated it to Golang changing a few things. That is the same thing as having a beautiful blueprint and translating it and adding a few things... If this project picks up again, it's going to be a long long time before it picks up. At the rate crypto moves, Dero is far behind. Without it's early supporters to promote it Dero is good as dead, most of us dumped the coin when it hit 3.5 USD, its only a matter of time before it goes back to 30 cents. This is what drives the market, if you think its something else, good luck in the crypto world.
May 16, 2018, 01:53:22 PM
It's called conflict of interest my good sir. Trust me, they didn't mine monero for a year then release the asics. I mined monero for over a year, the network behavior was normal until February. So its hard to believe.
Do you really believe Bitmain are angels and tell the public about their ASICs immediatly and sell them?
Dero has been secure for over a month and handing over the hashing power to asics makes the network more vulnerable because they have ALL the hashing power right now. Doesn't seem all that secure.
Dero has had extreme high hashrate attacks because of this, much higher then other coins. But in contrast to other coins it withstood the attacks. I believe the experience with these ASICs on the network will enable the Devs to create the most secure blockchain ever.
May 16, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
For those interested in the problems with ASIC resistance this may be a good read: https://blog.sia.tech/the-state-of-cryptocurrency-mining-538004a37f9b
It's called conflict of interest my good sir. Trust me, they didn't mine monero for a year then release the asics. I mined monero for over a year, the network behavior was normal until February. So its hard to believe. Look what asics did to Dero, from 20 a day with 15 k/s to 1 a day with 15k/s, Monero never went close to that behavior. Don't swallow everything you hear. Sia is just trying to bring a good light to asics so they can make money. The reason GPU mining works for decentralization is because most people have a computer with a GPU, hence most people can mine. Not everyone has an asic and the type of people that buy asics are whales that can afford a product to solely use for mining. You know what a laugh governments and banks have when they see that our "decentralization claim" is contradictory because asics centralize it. You know how bad that looks for crypto. Everything just looks like a money grab. I refuse to believe the Dero team doesn't understand this. Maybe the developers are just good at developing and not thinking of consequences but Serena is smart. Which I actually remember not to long ago when she left Dero because they didn't want to pay her what she is worth. Maybe I am wrong and the Dero team is not as intelligent as I made them to be. I know they are changing their algorithm but just like people don't forget when networks get hacked, people also don't forget when they say they stand for something but they don't. Luckily many new investors are joining crypto but we know not many miners are.
May 16, 2018, 12:43:25 PM
However, the Dero team decided to hand the network over to asics without hesitation, centralizing the network with no solid explanation.
We have been working to make a new PoW that is suitable for the needs of Dero Atlantis. We strongly believe in network security, and so we're working to expediently bring strong positive changes to the table. Network attacks are already happening on many networks, and the source of hashpower is not the issue, the vulnerabilities (that we fixed, and are continuing to fix) are the problem.
Cryptonote is special because it is private, and asic resistant which helps make the network egalitarian. Something that apparently doesn't matter much to the Dero team.
I'm sorry if we gave that impression at any point. If you follow us on Slack, and in our forums you will see that we have a particularly strong interest in maintaining the egalitarian spirit of CryptoNight.
I feel betrayed and I know most of this community feels the same way.
The last thing we would like to do is alientate any portion of our community, and we're working very hard to provide a solution that factors in the many problems hidden and public. There is a lot going on behind the scenes in the crypto world, particularly with hardware and so it's not so black/white anymore.
We have been working to make a new PoW that is suitable for the needs of Dero Atlantis. We strongly believe in network security, and so we're working to expediently bring strong positive changes to the table. Network attacks are already happening on many networks, and the source of hashpower is not the issue, the vulnerabilities (that we fixed, and are continuing to fix) are the problem.
Cryptonote is special because it is private, and asic resistant which helps make the network egalitarian. Something that apparently doesn't matter much to the Dero team.
I'm sorry if we gave that impression at any point. If you follow us on Slack, and in our forums you will see that we have a particularly strong interest in maintaining the egalitarian spirit of CryptoNight.
I feel betrayed and I know most of this community feels the same way.
The last thing we would like to do is alientate any portion of our community, and we're working very hard to provide a solution that factors in the many problems hidden and public. There is a lot going on behind the scenes in the crypto world, particularly with hardware and so it's not so black/white anymore.
Essentially, this issue is not black & white like many perceive it to be and with deep respect to everyone, this is about to become news in the crypto world.
You should be a politician Serena, you very good with your tact. However you and I both know CapDero didn't see a problem with asics since the beginning, as he stated. We both know the development team had over a month to fix their algorithm(we warned them of the asics with so much time), and we both know they could of made Dero asic resistant in about a week. People forget mining is for decentralization. Not to make developers rich with their premine. Dero has been secure for over a month and handing over the hashing power to asics makes the network more vulnerable because they have ALL the hashing power right now. Doesn't seem all that secure. Its also great to know the developers have their faces hidden so they can just start a new project later without any repercussions if this one doesn't go so well.
May 16, 2018, 06:46:58 AM
For those interested in the problems with ASIC resistance this may be a good read: https://blog.sia.tech/the-state-of-cryptocurrency-mining-538004a37f9b
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