so where is my airdrop 2??? i have 10 days waiting already
Just be patient. The team is working off a big list of people that signed up.
I'm starting to believe in scam option. 
Topic: ★[ANN] EthereumDARK-ETHD | For REAL investors ONLY | PoS | Bounties | Anonomity★ - page 473. (Read 417010 times)
September 30, 2017, 01:28:17 AM
Just be patient. The team is working off a big list of people that signed up.
I'm starting to believe in scam option. September 30, 2017, 01:24:53 AM
We’ve never guaranteed a bittrex listing the community has just been very vocal in wanting that exchange to list ETHD, if you check the medium post it contains the most up to date information about future exchanges and bittrex.
https://medium.com/@TeamETHD/ethereumdark-developer-update-1-ff443880d3b2
https://medium.com/@TeamETHD/ethereumdark-community-update-1-68f47e736406?source=linkShare-fe49c24ec73b-1506599813
September 30, 2017, 01:22:26 AM
September 30, 2017, 01:14:00 AM
The Misbehavior of the Dev is very BaD!
At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
I do not understand you!!! you got 450 coins!!! and you do not like something. You are a very greedy person, received for free, and write bad about people who gave you coins for free!!!At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
People like this exist everywhere, please notice that even though he may not believe in ETHD and talks bad about us we still have no problem giving everyone the chance to be in #TeamETHD
Stay tuned for airdrop number #3!
Ive been lurking for awhile , made an account to say thank you to 802529er for modding and responding so quick to posts.
Thank you for the kind words! While I can’t answer every question I do my best to answer what I can and get people in touch In touch with the right resources!
#TeamETHD
September 30, 2017, 01:09:30 AM
The Misbehavior of the Dev is very BaD!
At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
I do not understand you!!! you got 450 coins!!! and you do not like something. You are a very greedy person, received for free, and write bad about people who gave you coins for free!!!At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
People like this exist everywhere, please notice that even though he may not believe in ETHD and talks bad about us we still have no problem giving everyone the chance to be in #TeamETHD
Stay tuned for airdrop number #3!
Ive been lurking for awhile , made an account to say thank you to 802529er for modding and responding so quick to posts.
September 30, 2017, 01:00:10 AM
for who want to join rd airdrop, please refer to ETHD medium blog, they write all information about airdrop there
September 30, 2017, 12:55:13 AM
How many tokens will be needed for a masternode. Has that been answered yet?
I dont know but I would like to. 
September 30, 2017, 12:50:36 AM
so where is my airdrop 2??? i have 10 days waiting already
Just be patient. The team is working off a big list of people that signed up.
September 30, 2017, 12:50:19 AM
How many tokens will be needed for a masternode. Has that been answered yet?
September 30, 2017, 12:48:57 AM
Does anyone know if everyone has been paid from the 2nd airdrop?
Refer the the post above yours please
Lol, thanks. I've never seen an airdrop take so long, must have a lot of PMS.
so where is my airdrop 2??? i have 10 days waiting already
Becareful, asking for the drop will disqualify you from the airdrop.
September 30, 2017, 12:45:00 AM
so where is my airdrop 2??? i have 10 days waiting already
September 30, 2017, 12:42:24 AM
The Misbehavior of the Dev is very BaD!
At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
I do not understand you!!! you got 450 coins!!! and you do not like something. You are a very greedy person, received for free, and write bad about people who gave you coins for free!!!At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
People like this exist everywhere, please notice that even though he may not believe in ETHD and talks bad about us we still have no problem giving everyone the chance to be in #TeamETHD
Stay tuned for airdrop number #3!
I bought all 28 ETHD that I own, and didn't even know what an "air drop" was (and still kind of don't) but came here because I believe in the project, which is also why I am still here.
Which is a lot for me, and is why I ask a lot about updates and stuff.. just want know what were all investing in.
September 30, 2017, 12:34:51 AM
The Misbehavior of the Dev is very BaD!
At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
I do not understand you!!! you got 450 coins!!! and you do not like something. You are a very greedy person, received for free, and write bad about people who gave you coins for free!!!At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
People like this exist everywhere, please notice that even though he may not believe in ETHD and talks bad about us we still have no problem giving everyone the chance to be in #TeamETHD
Stay tuned for airdrop number #3!
I bought all 28 ETHD that I own, and didn't even know what an "air drop" was (and still kind of don't) but came here because I believe in the project, which is also why I am still here.
September 30, 2017, 12:29:03 AM
The Misbehavior of the Dev is very BaD!
At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
I do not understand you!!! you got 450 coins!!! and you do not like something. You are a very greedy person, received for free, and write bad about people who gave you coins for free!!!At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
People like this exist everywhere, please notice that even though he may not believe in ETHD and talks bad about us we still have no problem giving everyone the chance to be in #TeamETHD
Stay tuned for airdrop number #3!
September 30, 2017, 12:26:09 AM
Mprep"forum moderator" removed the stipulation imposed my a fool playing dev...“where’s my airdrop” wow i wonder why?
it was removed because it is a very incorrect way of deceiving patrons! and ruled by "This forums Moderator as Invalid"
so anyone desiring to ask
“where’s my airdrop” is allowed
with no repercussions!!!
this along with changing rules in the middle of airdrop2 is also a very big deception from the dev!
when something is started with one set of rules it should finish with the same set of rules.
but because the price increased the dev decided to change and even stopped distributing Airdrop 2 "NO MORE COINS"
if your not a DEV then no one is interested in your butt noise and even the forum moderator has shown that this noise is invalid and removed it!
this is to show that the DEV in the OP @ abi18 is scamming all the people waiting for their coins!
over 2 weeks for distribution that at the start of airdrop 2 was instant but because the price increased it was halted!
saying wait and never distributing the coins with the same formula as when it started!
THESE ARE ALL SCAM TACTICS
P>S>= i read written by your hand that you would ignore my posts? please keep your word or are you just as much a lie and douchbag as the dev?
i can write big also
It’s can be made really small also, just like your effect on the community, miniscule.it was removed because it is a very incorrect way of deceiving patrons! and ruled by "This forums Moderator as Invalid"
so anyone desiring to ask
“where’s my airdrop” is allowed
with no repercussions!!!
this along with changing rules in the middle of airdrop2 is also a very big deception from the dev!
when something is started with one set of rules it should finish with the same set of rules.
but because the price increased the dev decided to change and even stopped distributing Airdrop 2 "NO MORE COINS"
if your not a DEV then no one is interested in your butt noise and even the forum moderator has shown that this noise is invalid and removed it!
this is to show that the DEV in the OP @ abi18 is scamming all the people waiting for their coins!
over 2 weeks for distribution that at the start of airdrop 2 was instant but because the price increased it was halted!
saying wait and never distributing the coins with the same formula as when it started!
THESE ARE ALL SCAM TACTICS
P>S>= i read written by your hand that you would ignore my posts? please keep your word or are you just as much a lie and douchbag as the dev?
i can write big also
If you continue to act immature and clearly troll you’ll just continue to send a message to the community of how little people like you should never be listened too.
ETHD will continue to progress forwards, we look forward to completing distribution of airdrop number 2, and revealing our new methods for future airdrops!
Many users have already received their coins and will continue too receive them, we are dealing with a large number of applications and also a large number of disqualified people that apparantly while most of the community is understanding in the matter some will be annoyed and we apologise for any inconvenience caused in receiving what is essentially “FREE MONEY”
If you have any actual questions please feel free to ask them
#TeamETHD
September 30, 2017, 12:13:47 AM
The Misbehavior of the Dev is very BaD!
At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
I do not understand you!!! you got 450 coins!!! and you do not like something. You are a very greedy person, received for free, and write bad about people who gave you coins for free!!! At the start of the Second airdrop many got their coins instantly... and most people were given a certain amount of coin for the rank they have. example i am Hero and in the second Airdrop i received 450 ETHD as the second airdrop!
but as a few days went by the DEV "@abi18" decided to stop giving the airdrop because the price had risen too high! so he invented a lie and said his pm box is too full and he cannot pay the airdrop correctly any more so he now pays much less for the same airdrop to people. but then he decided not to pay at all! so everyone on AIRDROP 2 that has not received their payment "WILL NOT RECEIVE " so the DEV https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/abi18-1115518 "@abi18" can pump and dump all his coins and not give out the airdrop!
it has been more then 2 weeks and the dev has tried to find a way to not even have to answer questions here and totally avoids any contact with the community!
so if you are still waiting for coins from airdrop 2 = you wont receive them.
the slimey actions of the dev and his friends are despicable and show how worthless of a human he is!
never trust a DISHONEST DEV ="@abi18"
September 30, 2017, 12:01:41 AM
Mprep"forum moderator" removed the stipulation imposed my a fool playing dev...“where’s my airdrop” wow i wonder why?
it was removed because it is a very incorrect way of deceiving patrons! and ruled by "This forums Moderator as Invalid"
so anyone desiring to ask “where’s my airdrop” is allowed with no repercussions!!!
this along with changing rules in the middle of airdrop2 is also a very big deception from the dev!
when something is started with one set of rules it should finish with the same set of rules.
but because the price increased the dev decided to change and even stopped distributing Airdrop 2 "NO MORE COINS"
if your not a DEV then no one is interested in your butt noise and even the forum moderator has shown that this noise is invalid and removed it!
this is to show that the DEV in the OP @ abi18 is scamming all the people waiting for their coins!
over 2 weeks for distribution that at the start of airdrop 2 was instant but because the price increased it was halted!
saying wait and never distributing the coins with the same formula as when it started!
THESE ARE ALL SCAM TACTICS
P>S>= i read written by your hand that you would ignore my posts? please keep your word or are you just as much a lie and douchbag as the dev?
it was removed because it is a very incorrect way of deceiving patrons! and ruled by "This forums Moderator as Invalid"
so anyone desiring to ask “where’s my airdrop” is allowed with no repercussions!!!
this along with changing rules in the middle of airdrop2 is also a very big deception from the dev!
when something is started with one set of rules it should finish with the same set of rules.
but because the price increased the dev decided to change and even stopped distributing Airdrop 2 "NO MORE COINS"
if your not a DEV then no one is interested in your butt noise and even the forum moderator has shown that this noise is invalid and removed it!
this is to show that the DEV in the OP @ abi18 is scamming all the people waiting for their coins!
over 2 weeks for distribution that at the start of airdrop 2 was instant but because the price increased it was halted!
saying wait and never distributing the coins with the same formula as when it started!
THESE ARE ALL SCAM TACTICS
P>S>= i read written by your hand that you would ignore my posts? please keep your word or are you just as much a lie and douchbag as the dev?
It was actually removed due to being consider “spam”
If you post about your airdrop being not received you will be disqualified.
Again, the conditions of the airdrop were clearly stated, and are even highlighted in the recent medium blog.
You received your coins when the value was low, this was due to your belief in ETHD, if you chose to hold you would of seen the gain as the value inreased.
The airdrop was always a random amount, somewhat tied to forum rank, as he value increased its only logical to decrease the amount of coins airdropped per round.
There’s actually many people who like the response and engagement from a community manager, it just seems to be yourself who has an issue with being told things by someone you don’t want it from, does it bother you vitalik wont personally respond to you also?
I only ignore users who have been continually childish with name calling and baseless “scam” accusations.
Many people actually received their airdrops from round 2 and then with the commmunity suggestions to fix some issues and the increase in needing to disqualify people who posted in the thread ( which increased when the moderaters removed the warning post for “spam”)
We thank those who can be patient during this time of an unexpected amount of airdrops/disqualifications/ and people taking extra time by inboxing abi18 with pointless messages.
Refer to my post on the previous page to take a look at a few things that the developers are currently working on
Also don’t forget to make sure that you follow our medium to keep up to date on anything ETHD
https://medium.com/@TeamETHD/ethereumdark-developer-update-1-ff443880d3b2
https://medium.com/@TeamETHD/ethereumdark-community-update-1-68f47e736406?source=linkShare-fe49c24ec73b-1506599813
#TeamETHD
September 29, 2017, 11:55:47 PM
Does anyone know if everyone has been paid from the 2nd airdrop?
my friend got 180 ETHD in 2nd airdorp. I'm later so I waiting next airdrop. many people confirm they had received their coin. you can join some airdrop notif group. September 29, 2017, 11:51:45 PM
I can imagine its pretty daunting going through ten thousand or however many messages the devs got for the airdrop. Along with the verification they are doing to try and make sure no one was cheating the system. I'm sure you guys will get yours eventually just give it some time.
It was daunting at first.
Imagine then also receiving an extra 10k worth of “did I get in”, “so I qualify yes” , “insert question answered on page one here”
Rest assured like I said, number 2 will be issued shortly and then number 3 is being done differently after learning from our mistakes
September 29, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
Mprep"forum moderator" removed the stipulation imposed my a fool playing dev...“where’s my airdrop” wow i wonder why?
it was removed because it is a very incorrect way of deceiving patrons! and ruled by "This forums Moderator as Invalid"
so anyone desiring to ask “where’s my airdrop” is allowed
with no repercussions!!!
this along with changing rules in the middle of airdrop2 is also a very big deception from the dev!
when something is started with one set of rules it should finish with the same set of rules.
but because the price increased the dev decided to change and even stopped distributing Airdrop 2 "NO MORE COINS"
if your not a DEV then no one is interested in your butt noise and even the forum moderator has shown that this noise is invalid and removed it!
this is to show that the DEV in the OP @ abi18 is scamming all the people waiting for their coins!
over 2 weeks for distribution that at the start of airdrop 2 was instant but because the price increased it was halted!
saying wait and never distributing the coins with the same formula as when it started!
THESE ARE ALL SCAM TACTICS
P>S>= i read written by your hand that you would ignore my posts? please keep your word or are you just as much a lie and douchbag as the dev?
it was removed because it is a very incorrect way of deceiving patrons! and ruled by "This forums Moderator as Invalid"
so anyone desiring to ask “where’s my airdrop” is allowed
with no repercussions!!!
this along with changing rules in the middle of airdrop2 is also a very big deception from the dev!
when something is started with one set of rules it should finish with the same set of rules.
but because the price increased the dev decided to change and even stopped distributing Airdrop 2 "NO MORE COINS"
if your not a DEV then no one is interested in your butt noise and even the forum moderator has shown that this noise is invalid and removed it!
this is to show that the DEV in the OP @ abi18 is scamming all the people waiting for their coins!
over 2 weeks for distribution that at the start of airdrop 2 was instant but because the price increased it was halted!
saying wait and never distributing the coins with the same formula as when it started!
THESE ARE ALL SCAM TACTICS
P>S>= i read written by your hand that you would ignore my posts? please keep your word or are you just as much a lie and douchbag as the dev?
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