Topic: [ANN] HEAT: 3.0 crypto*multisig fiat*a2a hft*1000tps*DSA*PoS+PoP*e2ee chat* - page 102. (Read 418460 times)

i am also a part of it and i am also wiating for these quries too patiently.

Like anyone would trust them sending it to a "burn address". Oh shit you reatrds do. You guys still believe in this fucking bullshit.

If I wouldn't be affected I would laugh my ass off about you dumbfucks hoping for HEAT to succeed.

This explanation, as a response to your posts specifically, was given on Jan 5th

This project was way too ambitious for two people.
A great concept burned by poor management and execution.
Such a shame, as this should've been a bright light in Crypto - I'm relieved to have sold up.

Because you stated this.....   "Prior to HEAT ICO I've talked to Bittrex personally about listing HEAT". Now you are saying HEAT was not mentioned. Without explanation for this glaring inconsistency, you shouldn't be surprised that people would conclude something dishonest/disingenuous went down here.   

Your beliefs are yours and as often is, they're no match to knowledge from source that's closest to the truth. Maybe I myself know best what I talked with Bittrex. I asked about co-operation for escrow + listing a new, major ICO. HEAT name wasn't being referred to, as it was still secret. So of course they hadn't heard about HEAT.

See how easy it's to make faulty conclusions about the "dishonesty" of someone based on your own, limited beliefs?

Cant let this one go......

I dont believe you were honest about listing HEAT on Bittrex. You publicly claimed to have talked to Bittrex about listing HEAT, when in fact, they have no record/s of anything HEAT related......just your failed FIMK application. Therefore, this didnt happen, and would be dishonest, at best....... "Prior to HEAT ICO I've talked to Bittrex personally about listing HEAT"

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17396060

SEVERE: java.lang.RuntimeException: Map already in transaction
it's all over the log and blocks are not downloading after block 55744.

burning is not the same, because everyone is getting the value of the coins. the coins must be distributed to the initial ICO addresses. Everything else is breaching the contract. And I am sure there is a court in the place where Sventje lives or Heat Ledger is registered.

Its not about coins, its about principle. And of course investors want their coins, they paid for. Everything else is unlogical.

coins which were not sold, because they came back from escrow is the property of the investors and not the company.

if the company wants to have more coins, they can buy them back, on the market.

This is the reason for me to contact the european consumer protection and starting a long process of investigation and at the same time contacting the european scam protection service.

Sventje, you cant change the rules or interpret them, what is better for you, if investors are getting screwed again.

If they did want to "distribute" the C-CEX coins to all investors, then the easiest way to do that would be to send them to a burn address.  It would have the exact same effect as evenly distributing them to all addresses.

I made two redemptions of BTC two days ago , one is  0.251BTC and the other is 3BTC.
My heat account: 5009502766990552407

The screenshot for my account:
http://hongkongauspal.oss-cn-hongkong.aliyuncs.com/1.jpg

It has been over 48hours, I have not received Bitcoin, any help?

This is clearly fraud! Look at this this way. What if ccex had not only a million coins to return, what if it were 10 million coins or maybe even 20 million? Then your coins would double or even be 4 times as much when they would redistibute it back. When they don't, the heatheads would then hold a majority of all the coins. Everybody would immediately say keeping the coins is fraudulent behaviour! The fact that they receive now "only" ten or 20 percent of the total coins does not matter from a legal point of view. It said all coins will be distributed to the investors, the investors of the ICO, not the investors of the upcoming IPO! The amount that will be returned by ccex now does not matter in this case. Fraud is fraud!

This. Oh my. I can't. Guys, I can't. It's too much. These guys promised unlimited scalability in their "whitepaper". Guys...
What the fuck?
Look at your centralized little piece of shit and tell me more about unlimited scalability you little piece of shit.
Fucking wallet hosted on Hetzner, mining only by the dev guys, source completely closed... Don't get me started over here you piece of shit.

Mr. fimk, your arrogant attitude does not make you sound smarter or help your arguments but only exposes you for the unpleasant condescending individual you are.
C-cex acted as an escrow service and by doing so they had one goal - collect btc from buyer and give heat in return, then send funds to seller. they sold future heat tokens to be changed for real heat later on.
when they gave some of the investors back their btc they in fact voided the purchase of these coins as no btc was collected and transferred to the seller (heat). that is how escrow works. transaction is completed once seller gets his funds and buyer gets his coins.
Stating that you bought these coins back is again wrong. the reason it is wrong is because you paid nothing for these coins and they where already under another ownership.
C-CEX got heat coins to give to buyers for btc they give, buyers gave btc but got it back - this btc was not c-cex's, they are just a middle man. this means that they got no right over these coins in the first place and thus you can not purchase it form them.

you made an agreement to deliver all coins to buyers in return for funds raised. once your escrow service returned the funds to buyers the coins they refunded are not under the ownership of the escrow, but according to the agreement you made they are also not under the ownership of heat, because all coins need to be distributed to PAYING investors.

As usual you try to twist things around to try to present it as if you are operating in clean and honest manor but your basic ethical grounds are weak and failing.
 

Untrue
Untrue. Delays in software development are not lies
Ok
Untrue. Honesty is paramount in my values
Excuses, as in justified reasoning, correct
Wrong
False
No lie has been shown. Only picking on person and malevolent, dedicated trolling campaigns in twisting what has been said and operating on agenda to harm HEAT in a way or another have been seen.

Thank you.

I really don't give a shit what you will do with those coins . What i have to say is that you guys lied all the way about the tech , you lied about the timeframes . So i don't expect something different from now on ( you tried in the past to get coins from the distribution , i don';t remember the exact amount ) . You were ( and are ) unable to be honest . You always come up with excuses . I guess that you guys still haven't hire anyone and as FIMK you will let HEAT to die slowly and move to another coin , with "super duper" tech and try to fuck new investors . All your behavior and actions show that you are at least liars , and if you lie with intention than you are scammers . I rest my case with you guys .

Riceberry actually put it very nicely there!

As mentioned, there are much better and sophisticated methods to support token price than "buy wall around ICO price". Nothing has changed, and some ICO funds will be used to support the token price in form of company buy orders as well as other marketing efforts. Some form of buy walls - more concretely probably rather several small ones spread through time than a single massive one - that have the highest impact will be provided. Nothing has changed and nothing has been lied about.

CCEX buyback occurred long after ICO was over. Coin IOUs were distributed to ICO participants, and they traded them back and forth with full freedom. Unfortunately CCEX jumped the gun and technically forced a buyback wall, using BTC tokens from ICO that were already ours according to the contract we made with CCEX, but never released to us at that point before sizable damage to company was incurred by the buy wall. We literally bought the HEAT tokens back to company, which is no different than buying back shares of company from the market. When one buys something, whether voluntarily or forced, the least that happens is he / it gains ownership to that something.

It's quite hypocrite to go around and demand these 300k something coins for redistribution on ethical, moral, legal basis none of which have any justification when the simple fact is we bought back those coins for the company and now own them. That hypocrisy, I suppose, is due to plain shortsighted greed in attempt to slightly increase one's HEAT proportional holdings with minimal effect as the lot is scattered around, whereas the company using that whole stack is in good position to use these constructively to further support its operations and consequently increase token price. As stated, the most likely option is that they're handed out for new Ltd shareholders in the next funding round, which effectively indeed distributes them to the user base - focused to those who deserve them and not to the hypocrite gasbags who can't see business further than their nose, making a drama bigger than life for getting a few extra HEAT for their account "for free"! 

Hmm that kalipo character, you are the one who posted this crap:


Member Kalipo, member the heat launch? Yeah I member, it was a disaster that is still ongoing!!

I dont mind either way keep this thread going or start a new one, or why not keep both open old and new? Just Hit ignore on certain someones, it dropped my bloodpressure significantly. I Really dunno what SG/MB are ranting about, and don't care to unignore them, but who knows maybe he'd go on a rampage IRL if he hadnt got this thread to let off steam LOL. no offense m8<3

Regarding 1: This is bullshit. Everybody knew what was meant by that statement, at least it clearly was meant to give everybody the impression that there will a buy wall that would be around the ICO price. Otherwise why say it at all? When you say I will grab a baseballbat, drive to your house and hurt you everybody knows what that means. You can not just say oh you thought I was going to beat you up, but I meant by hurting you that I will mow your lawn. What you are doing is a very cheap tactic and makes every outstander think why you are doing that. Are you their lawyer or why do you do that? If you were an investor you would have nothing to gain by defending such behaviour.

Regarding 2: It said that all coins will be distributed to the investors. The thing that is wrong here is the following. The heatheads say that they have to buy back the coins. This is wrong! They don't actually buy them back! When you buy something, you pay it with your own money! The money they use to "buy" the coins back is not theirs. In fact I think they never recieved the btc that people send to ccex to get heat. Heatheads were never in posession of the btc. What is the correct term for what happenend to the coins of ccex is a return! The coins have been returned by ccex! The heatheads have not "bought" them back! And if you look at it from this perspective, the coins have never been sold and therefore belong clearly to the investors as it said in the ICO that ALL the coins (including the unsold coins and thereofore the ccex coins) will be distributed accordingly to the investors!