You guys at heat are fucking slime balls. Isn't it illegal to promote and promise that your coin is going to double or quadruple in value? Just goes to show your awful sales person tactics and greasy tactics to cover your manipulative ways by closing this thread.
You will lie in the next "moderated forum" and get called out on it too.
Thanks for the useless ccex coins and months upon months of broken promises.
Enjoy your ride downward.
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February 19, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
February 19, 2017, 11:55:12 AM
There is "ABSOLUTELY NO REASON" to close this thread. Forum users are more than able to hit the ignore button if they don't want to see trolling/fud posts. I will admit Stewie's page long quoted messages are a real pain in the ass, but oh well, that's BCT for you.
@ Heat Ledger LTD has no justification to sensor this thread.
You opened this thread and approached the BCT community to invest in your project, not vice versa. If you didn't want trolls and fud, you certainly chose the wrong tech to pursue and the wrong forum to attain investors.
Say what you mean and mean what you say! We're seeing serious questions raised (even on slack) and your recent statements and meme's show a true lack of professionalism for a corporate representative.
Bottom line, get your house in order. That starts with you, your company and your tech.
@ Heat Ledger LTD has no justification to sensor this thread.
You opened this thread and approached the BCT community to invest in your project, not vice versa. If you didn't want trolls and fud, you certainly chose the wrong tech to pursue and the wrong forum to attain investors.
Say what you mean and mean what you say! We're seeing serious questions raised (even on slack) and your recent statements and meme's show a true lack of professionalism for a corporate representative.
Bottom line, get your house in order. That starts with you, your company and your tech.
February 19, 2017, 03:53:15 AM
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Regarding 2. Are you retarded or something? I am talking about the HEAT that ccex is supposed to give you back, the coins they received
This is a surprisingly good question considering your challenged state. The C-CEX coins we were forced to buy back by c-cex will be used for company development. Probably we'll hand them out for stock buyers in round 2 funding. Other venues are possible. Did that answer your concerns?BTW Stewie it's Saturday - the prime night of the week for all mentally challenged personalities. We figured you're high on testosterone. I managed to record a footleg - did you by any chance happen to have a fight tonight?
Never mind the intrusion if that's not you, we're just trying to be nice for good customers. We'll soon be moving on to the moderated thread to cut all the off-topic. Meanwhile we thought you'd enjoy the endorsement as you've such a prominent cheerleader of HEAT since a long time.
Svante, do you know what an agreement means? do you know what a legal biding agreement is? well, it seems that i need to remind you that you made such agreement with the people who invested in your project when you made the ico. there was a clear commitment what each side gives and what he gets in return. From the investors side they committed to send you money to finance this project. from your side you committed to distribute all the coins to these investors besides a certain amount to be reserved for the dev (this amount was clearly stated, it was not open for later change). the coins you just referred to as the c-cex coins where in fact paid for by the investors who sent you money and did not get a refund. if you do anything but distributing these coins back to these investors you are by fact holding something which is not yours to hold and withholding the rightful owners of these coins from their legal right. by doing this you are breaking the law (yes, laws that exist in any country, even where yo live). You created a registered company, you have legal obligations. I strongly suggest you respect the agreements you made. that way you avoid the legal implications and you do not look like a common street criminal.
It says clear that all coins are going to be distributed to the investors. Unsold coins will be Distributed. You cant Resell them again.
Svante wrote earlier regarding these coins that they "will be used for company development. Probably we'll hand them out for stock buyers in round 2 funding." - yet again, this is a clear breech and violation of the agreement made with the investors. I wonder why we need to even have this conversation when this is such a fundamental case of basic moral judgement and has a clear legal commitment black on white (there is no place for interpretation here, it was stated clearly prior to people investing their funds). every statement like this given is just another more evidence when this proceeds in the legal criminal road.
Unsold coins are going to be distributed, that what its saying.
no surprice Sventje wants to fuck us again!
There is no week or month without "oh my good" feeling
July: where are the coins?
August: why are they not hiring anyone?
October: didnt they say, they were already finished with the product in July?
November: Are they honest to us? they are hinding around something!
December: next week awaiting the start, but next week never comes
January: Its time for bringing this thing to the courts before devs disappear...
February: what a fucky buggy product. nothing working!!! nothing
how its continues:
March: yeah, we really got fucked another time. they kept the unsold coins but keep quiet in new censored thread.
April: people starting to go to court want their money back. product buggy, not working ready.
Mai: sventje trying to get more money in, with his idea of IPO. Community broken, no chance of getting things repaired. Failure.
Mai: project haltet unofficial, devs seeing no chance of success, so they abandon. official same support as for FIMK.
You are saying you have experience, but it seems you have not been in a community of broken coins or scams, but hey FIMK. once again Sventje. dont close the thread. bring the community together!!!!!
February 19, 2017, 03:40:34 AM
By the way, and without taking the discussion from where it matters (the complete disrespect of the heat team towards the people who invested their money in it).
Moving to a moderated thread seems logical from Svante's side - if he does not respect agreements and dares to change agreements, he would prefer to have as little voices speaking about it as possible. moderation is a great way for the dishonest to hide their actions.
The fact that you have trolling here does not justify using a moderated thread because you have not shown that you can and should be trusted.
Having a thread clear and clean from complaints and critics does not make your project look better, it just amplifies your dishonest attempts to eliminate any confronting views and critics in order to be able to do as you wish without suffering the implications of your actions.
Moving to a moderated thread seems logical from Svante's side - if he does not respect agreements and dares to change agreements, he would prefer to have as little voices speaking about it as possible. moderation is a great way for the dishonest to hide their actions.
The fact that you have trolling here does not justify using a moderated thread because you have not shown that you can and should be trusted.
Having a thread clear and clean from complaints and critics does not make your project look better, it just amplifies your dishonest attempts to eliminate any confronting views and critics in order to be able to do as you wish without suffering the implications of your actions.
February 19, 2017, 03:32:23 AM
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Regarding 2. Are you retarded or something? I am talking about the HEAT that ccex is supposed to give you back, the coins they received
This is a surprisingly good question considering your challenged state. The C-CEX coins we were forced to buy back by c-cex will be used for company development. Probably we'll hand them out for stock buyers in round 2 funding. Other venues are possible. Did that answer your concerns?BTW Stewie it's Saturday - the prime night of the week for all mentally challenged personalities. We figured you're high on testosterone. I managed to record a footleg - did you by any chance happen to have a fight tonight?
Never mind the intrusion if that's not you, we're just trying to be nice for good customers. We'll soon be moving on to the moderated thread to cut all the off-topic. Meanwhile we thought you'd enjoy the endorsement as you've such a prominent cheerleader of HEAT since a long time.
Svante, do you know what an agreement means? do you know what a legal biding agreement is? well, it seems that i need to remind you that you made such agreement with the people who invested in your project when you made the ico. there was a clear commitment what each side gives and what he gets in return. From the investors side they committed to send you money to finance this project. from your side you committed to distribute all the coins to these investors besides a certain amount to be reserved for the dev (this amount was clearly stated, it was not open for later change). the coins you just referred to as the c-cex coins where in fact paid for by the investors who sent you money and did not get a refund. if you do anything but distributing these coins back to these investors you are by fact holding something which is not yours to hold and withholding the rightful owners of these coins from their legal right. by doing this you are breaking the law (yes, laws that exist in any country, even where yo live). You created a registered company, you have legal obligations. I strongly suggest you respect the agreements you made. that way you avoid the legal implications and you do not look like a common street criminal.
It says clear that all coins are going to be distributed to the investors. Unsold coins will be Distributed. You cant Resell them again.
Svante wrote earlier regarding these coins that they "will be used for company development. Probably we'll hand them out for stock buyers in round 2 funding." - yet again, this is a clear breech and violation of the agreement made with the investors. I wonder why we need to even have this conversation when this is such a fundamental case of basic moral judgement and has a clear legal commitment black on white (there is no place for interpretation here, it was stated clearly prior to people investing their funds). every statement like this given is just another more evidence when this proceeds in the legal criminal road.
February 19, 2017, 03:24:16 AM
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Regarding 2. Are you retarded or something? I am talking about the HEAT that ccex is supposed to give you back, the coins they received
This is a surprisingly good question considering your challenged state. The C-CEX coins we were forced to buy back by c-cex will be used for company development. Probably we'll hand them out for stock buyers in round 2 funding. Other venues are possible. Did that answer your concerns?BTW Stewie it's Saturday - the prime night of the week for all mentally challenged personalities. We figured you're high on testosterone. I managed to record a footleg - did you by any chance happen to have a fight tonight?
Never mind the intrusion if that's not you, we're just trying to be nice for good customers. We'll soon be moving on to the moderated thread to cut all the off-topic. Meanwhile we thought you'd enjoy the endorsement as you've such a prominent cheerleader of HEAT since a long time.
Svante, do you know what an agreement means? do you know what a legal biding agreement is? well, it seems that i need to remind you that you made such agreement with the people who invested in your project when you made the ico. there was a clear commitment what each side gives and what he gets in return. From the investors side they committed to send you money to finance this project. from your side you committed to distribute all the coins to these investors besides a certain amount to be reserved for the dev (this amount was clearly stated, it was not open for later change). the coins you just referred to as the c-cex coins where in fact paid for by the investors who sent you money and did not get a refund. if you do anything but distributing these coins back to these investors you are by fact holding something which is not yours to hold and withholding the rightful owners of these coins from their legal right. by doing this you are breaking the law (yes, laws that exist in any country, even where yo live). You created a registered company, you have legal obligations. I strongly suggest you respect the agreements you made. that way you avoid the legal implications and you do not look like a common street criminal.
It says clear that all coins are going to be distributed to the investors. Unsold coins will be Distributed. You cant Resell them again.
February 19, 2017, 03:07:51 AM
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Regarding 2. Are you retarded or something? I am talking about the HEAT that ccex is supposed to give you back, the coins they received
This is a surprisingly good question considering your challenged state. The C-CEX coins we were forced to buy back by c-cex will be used for company development. Probably we'll hand them out for stock buyers in round 2 funding. Other venues are possible. Did that answer your concerns?BTW Stewie it's Saturday - the prime night of the week for all mentally challenged personalities. We figured you're high on testosterone. I managed to record a footleg - did you by any chance happen to have a fight tonight?
Never mind the intrusion if that's not you, we're just trying to be nice for good customers. We'll soon be moving on to the moderated thread to cut all the off-topic. Meanwhile we thought you'd enjoy the endorsement as you've such a prominent cheerleader of HEAT since a long time.
Svante, do you know what an agreement means? do you know what a legal biding agreement is? well, it seems that i need to remind you that you made such agreement with the people who invested in your project when you made the ico. there was a clear commitment what each side gives and what he gets in return. From the investors side they committed to send you money to finance this project. from your side you committed to distribute all the coins to these investors besides a certain amount to be reserved for the dev (this amount was clearly stated, it was not open for later change). the coins you just referred to as the c-cex coins where in fact paid for by the investors who sent you money and did not get a refund. if you do anything but distributing these coins back to these investors you are by fact holding something which is not yours to hold and withholding the rightful owners of these coins from their legal right. by doing this you are breaking the law (yes, laws that exist in any country, even where yo live). You created a registered company, you have legal obligations. I strongly suggest you respect the agreements you made. that way you avoid the legal implications and you do not look like a common street criminal.
February 19, 2017, 01:31:49 AM
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Regarding 2. Are you retarded or something? I am talking about the HEAT that ccex is supposed to give you back, the coins they received
This is a surprisingly good question considering your challenged state. The C-CEX coins we were forced to buy back by c-cex will be used for company development. Probably we'll hand them out for stock buyers in round 2 funding. Other venues are possible. Did that answer your concerns?I mean he just said that this 2nd round is planned. Sure nobody can trust anything this guy sais but he really is planning to pull this off...
February 19, 2017, 01:14:45 AM
The previous links don't lead to anything but the immediate previous posts of the psychotic person harassing this thread. That issue will soon be remedied with the moderated thread.
Is there a chance you'll change your stance when the HEAT token value has doubled from the ICO? If not, will you change it when the token value has quadrupled?
Have you earned your legendary member status by quoting irrelevant posts from half a year ago to support troll campaigns of various clearly psychotic members of the society?
negative patterns, like a lack of accuracy or clear signs of dishonesty or whatever, is usually a clear sign to stay away.
Within any of the remaining time we have here for the troll debate I wonder, tempus, what negative patterns you implicate, coming in from 3 months of silence after expressing criticism that didn't receive any foothold.Is there a chance you'll change your stance when the HEAT token value has doubled from the ICO? If not, will you change it when the token value has quadrupled?
Have you earned your legendary member status by quoting irrelevant posts from half a year ago to support troll campaigns of various clearly psychotic members of the society?
To answer your question about the price first: Prices are not necessarily indicators. I mean, it's much easier to get the price of an illiquid market up than a project done, right? That is done every day on multiple exchanges even with dead projects.
About StewieB: His attitude may be questionable, but that doesn't change the fact that he has some valid points.
He asked this:
(...)
Where is the promised buy wall (...)
Where is the promised buy wall (...)
You replied with:
(...)
There exists no such promise and it's detrimental for everyone to twist what has been said. (...)
There exists no such promise and it's detrimental for everyone to twist what has been said. (...)
He confronted you with this:
(...) I can now make a promise: We will be using some ICO funds for price level support (in some form of buy walls, in a way that has the highest impact). I can't recall making explicit promises earlier. Personally I'm proud to have got a habit of keeping them whenever possible, so if there's any other impression please point out the reference and I'll humbly amend such a mistake.
Back in June, when you and I had our "fight-conversations" you also tried to mislead people and in fact you lied. Now you say I would quote irrelevant posts, but exactly that is part of the pattern and you've already showed it back then. And it's really no surprise for me how this project turned out since then. I also told you this:
(...)
Money won't be a compensation for the pressure you will earn if you go on with that. Disappointed Investors are much worse than I am here. (...)
That is your problem with guys like StewieB. I mean, he is not the usual troll or Fudster. He is one of your Investors. And as far as I know the above is not the only valid point he confronted you with. Most likely it would be possible to make a list. My advice to him would be to keep things on topic, without big letters and all the shit-talk. It's very entertaining but the paradox-part is: It makes it easier for you to ignore it or to claim it's trolling or "agenda".
And of course you can tell people that my latest criticism "didn't receive any foothold" - but you already plan your next funding round. So let's see if I can quote myself again in some months. Right now I don't even believe that there will be another funding round. And if yes, I would be very surprised if people would send you much money.
By the way, what I really don't understand is: Why didn't you hire Developers? Why didn't you hire somebody to do the communication and for marketing etc.? I mean, there is nothing that would indicate that you invested the ICO-money really into and for the best of this project. Even more surprising it is that you already plan another funding round.
HEy it is StewieG!
Uppps... my fault! But I'm sure, you'll survive and forgive my little mistake, StewieBBB....äääähhGGGGGGGG!!!!
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And yes they plan to do the IPO, I was surprised as well. That is why they desperately try to get rid of this thread! xD
And no, nobody will participate in this bullshit! I already asked their loyalist dicksuckers in the slack and not even they want to participate in it!
Oh and they claim they couldn't find any devs. This is plausible as nobody would want to work with this retards. I mean you would burn your reputation immediately. But it is also plausible that they are just trying to hold as much money for themselves. I mean it is obvious that this project is doomed, why invest in it? They avoided every situation in which they would spend some of the funds, they even claim they have invested 200k so far. Even said they will provide an expense sheet. But they said a lot of things and delivered nothing and the expense sheet is not any different. Nobody knows where this money went and they refuse to tell us. Nono these monkeys will just pay themselves a nice salary every month until the funds are gone.
I don't believe that there will be a second round. It's predictable what questions they would have to answer and how that would turn out. Or with other words: What they clearly don't need is more attention on this.
I would promise it if you wouldn't be so vitriol accusing everyone to break promises who broke promises!
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Dude, they really plan to do this! They really think they can pull off another funding round scam! I know I know, I was shocked as well. I thought they can not be serious about that! But hey, concerning heat, I have believed about a lot of things to be different! Trust me, they really think they can pull this off! And no matter what the result will be, they will sell it to people as a success! They claim their launch was a success! Picture this! This fuck forks multiple times a day, you had to download and install the blockchain manually everytime it happend. By now they decided to mine alone and leave others out due to the forking issue! The A2A is broken, man I can not even send my coins! Nothing works! REALLY NOTHING! I AM TOTALLY HONEST HERE, NOTHING WORKS! And they claim it was a successfull launch! And this retard can not see what he is doing wrong! Dude, I have no words for that! There are no words for that!
(...)
We will see who of us will be right. Right now it's pretty much unbelievable for me that they will try to get more money.
And just btw: If I understand their plan for the second funding correctly it is an economical disaster, even if this project would be good so far. Rational participants of the previous ICO would send them Heat-token to get shares, since shares are usually more valuable than the token. To really get money they would have to sell those tokens and that would bring pressure on the price. And that could and would be anticipated and the token-price would go down even before the next IPO.
And just that would be enough that rational potential Investors who are not already invested in tokens would stay away, because they (Heat-team) connect the value of the shares to the price of the tokens (x amount of token = 1 share).
It's not easy to explain in a few words, but it's a crazy economical circle that wouldn't even benefit THEM! They won't be able to sell, because there won't be enough buy-support and they won't get real money because it's not possible that the value of the shares would rise if the token gets dumped. And it's not possible that the token stays above ...and so on....down-circle....
February 19, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
The previous links don't lead to anything but the immediate previous posts of the psychotic person harassing this thread. That issue will soon be remedied with the moderated thread.
Is there a chance you'll change your stance when the HEAT token value has doubled from the ICO? If not, will you change it when the token value has quadrupled?
Have you earned your legendary member status by quoting irrelevant posts from half a year ago to support troll campaigns of various clearly psychotic members of the society?
negative patterns, like a lack of accuracy or clear signs of dishonesty or whatever, is usually a clear sign to stay away.
Within any of the remaining time we have here for the troll debate I wonder, tempus, what negative patterns you implicate, coming in from 3 months of silence after expressing criticism that didn't receive any foothold.Is there a chance you'll change your stance when the HEAT token value has doubled from the ICO? If not, will you change it when the token value has quadrupled?
Have you earned your legendary member status by quoting irrelevant posts from half a year ago to support troll campaigns of various clearly psychotic members of the society?
To answer your question about the price first: Prices are not necessarily indicators. I mean, it's much easier to get the price of an illiquid market up than a project done, right? That is done every day on multiple exchanges even with dead projects.
About StewieB: His attitude may be questionable, but that doesn't change the fact that he has some valid points.
He asked this:
(...)
Where is the promised buy wall (...)
Where is the promised buy wall (...)
You replied with:
(...)
There exists no such promise and it's detrimental for everyone to twist what has been said. (...)
There exists no such promise and it's detrimental for everyone to twist what has been said. (...)
He confronted you with this:
(...) I can now make a promise: We will be using some ICO funds for price level support (in some form of buy walls, in a way that has the highest impact). I can't recall making explicit promises earlier. Personally I'm proud to have got a habit of keeping them whenever possible, so if there's any other impression please point out the reference and I'll humbly amend such a mistake.
Back in June, when you and I had our "fight-conversations" you also tried to mislead people and in fact you lied. Now you say I would quote irrelevant posts, but exactly that is part of the pattern and you've already showed it back then. And it's really no surprise for me how this project turned out since then. I also told you this:
(...)
Money won't be a compensation for the pressure you will earn if you go on with that. Disappointed Investors are much worse than I am here. (...)
That is your problem with guys like StewieB. I mean, he is not the usual troll or Fudster. He is one of your Investors. And as far as I know the above is not the only valid point he confronted you with. Most likely it would be possible to make a list. My advice to him would be to keep things on topic, without big letters and all the shit-talk. It's very entertaining but the paradox-part is: It makes it easier for you to ignore it or to claim it's trolling or "agenda".
And of course you can tell people that my latest criticism "didn't receive any foothold" - but you already plan your next funding round. So let's see if I can quote myself again in some months. Right now I don't even believe that there will be another funding round. And if yes, I would be very surprised if people would send you much money.
By the way, what I really don't understand is: Why didn't you hire Developers? Why didn't you hire somebody to do the communication and for marketing etc.? I mean, there is nothing that would indicate that you invested the ICO-money really into and for the best of this project. Even more surprising it is that you already plan another funding round.
HEy it is StewieG!
Uppps... my fault! But I'm sure, you'll survive and forgive my little mistake, StewieBBB....äääähhGGGGGGGG!!!!
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And yes they plan to do the IPO, I was surprised as well. That is why they desperately try to get rid of this thread! xD
And no, nobody will participate in this bullshit! I already asked their loyalist dicksuckers in the slack and not even they want to participate in it!
Oh and they claim they couldn't find any devs. This is plausible as nobody would want to work with this retards. I mean you would burn your reputation immediately. But it is also plausible that they are just trying to hold as much money for themselves. I mean it is obvious that this project is doomed, why invest in it? They avoided every situation in which they would spend some of the funds, they even claim they have invested 200k so far. Even said they will provide an expense sheet. But they said a lot of things and delivered nothing and the expense sheet is not any different. Nobody knows where this money went and they refuse to tell us. Nono these monkeys will just pay themselves a nice salary every month until the funds are gone.
I don't believe that there will be a second round. It's predictable what questions they would have to answer and how that would turn out. Or with other words: What they clearly don't need is more attention on this.
February 19, 2017, 12:06:02 AM
The previous links don't lead to anything but the immediate previous posts of the psychotic person harassing this thread. That issue will soon be remedied with the moderated thread.
Is there a chance you'll change your stance when the HEAT token value has doubled from the ICO? If not, will you change it when the token value has quadrupled?
Have you earned your legendary member status by quoting irrelevant posts from half a year ago to support troll campaigns of various clearly psychotic members of the society?
negative patterns, like a lack of accuracy or clear signs of dishonesty or whatever, is usually a clear sign to stay away.
Within any of the remaining time we have here for the troll debate I wonder, tempus, what negative patterns you implicate, coming in from 3 months of silence after expressing criticism that didn't receive any foothold.Is there a chance you'll change your stance when the HEAT token value has doubled from the ICO? If not, will you change it when the token value has quadrupled?
Have you earned your legendary member status by quoting irrelevant posts from half a year ago to support troll campaigns of various clearly psychotic members of the society?
To answer your question about the price first: Prices are not necessarily indicators. I mean, it's much easier to get the price of an illiquid market up than a project done, right? That is done every day on multiple exchanges even with dead projects.
About StewieB: His attitude may be questionable, but that doesn't change the fact that he has some valid points.
He asked this:
(...)
Where is the promised buy wall (...)
Where is the promised buy wall (...)
You replied with:
(...)
There exists no such promise and it's detrimental for everyone to twist what has been said. (...)
There exists no such promise and it's detrimental for everyone to twist what has been said. (...)
He confronted you with this:
(...) I can now make a promise: We will be using some ICO funds for price level support (in some form of buy walls, in a way that has the highest impact). I can't recall making explicit promises earlier. Personally I'm proud to have got a habit of keeping them whenever possible, so if there's any other impression please point out the reference and I'll humbly amend such a mistake.
Back in June, when you and I had our "fight-conversations" you also tried to mislead people and in fact you lied. Now you say I would quote irrelevant posts, but exactly that is part of the pattern and you've already showed it back then. And it's really no surprise for me how this project turned out since then. I also told you this:
(...)
Money won't be a compensation for the pressure you will earn if you go on with that. Disappointed Investors are much worse than I am here. (...)
That is your problem with guys like StewieB. I mean, he is not the usual troll or Fudster. He is one of your Investors. And as far as I know the above is not the only valid point he confronted you with. Most likely it would be possible to make a list. My advice to him would be to keep things on topic, without big letters and all the shit-talk. It's very entertaining but the paradox-part is: It makes it easier for you to ignore it or to claim it's trolling or "agenda".
And of course you can tell people that my latest criticism "didn't receive any foothold" - but you already plan your next funding round. So let's see if I can quote myself again in some months. Right now I don't even believe that there will be another funding round. And if yes, I would be very surprised if people would send you much money.
By the way, what I really don't understand is: Why didn't you hire Developers? Why didn't you hire somebody to do the communication and for marketing etc.? I mean, there is nothing that would indicate that you've really invested the ICO-money into and for the best of this project. Even more surprising it is that you already plan another funding round.
February 18, 2017, 11:24:40 PM
The previous links don't lead to anything but the immediate previous posts of the psychotic person harassing this thread. That issue will soon be remedied with the moderated thread.
Is there a chance you'll change your stance when the HEAT token value has doubled from the ICO? If not, will you change it when the token value has quadrupled?
Have you earned your legendary member status by quoting irrelevant posts from half a year ago to support troll campaigns of various clearly psychotic members of the society?
negative patterns, like a lack of accuracy or clear signs of dishonesty or whatever, is usually a clear sign to stay away.
Within any of the remaining time we have here for the troll debate I wonder, tempus, what negative patterns you implicate, coming in from 3 months of silence after expressing criticism that didn't receive any foothold.Is there a chance you'll change your stance when the HEAT token value has doubled from the ICO? If not, will you change it when the token value has quadrupled?
Have you earned your legendary member status by quoting irrelevant posts from half a year ago to support troll campaigns of various clearly psychotic members of the society?
February 18, 2017, 10:39:49 PM
Besides the fact that you guys did not prepare basic informations like a Whitepaper, and besides the fact that you list a lot of "headline-incentives" to buy the ICO in the Ann without detailing it out to give more information which would give more trust, it's especially the way you react on questions that makes me suspicious. I see dishonesty in that. (...)
And the best idea is nothing if the team behind wouldn't be able to deliver or if the team behind acts dishonest. And you show both. Not saying that I believe you plan a scam. But I believe that the team behind this project has a clear priority to make money first and there is a lot of risk that there will be a lot of justifications later to not deliver. Or if, that it will also show this pattern: Rushed out, not thoughtful, not accurate, lazy, without strategy, and so on. (...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE8XJEeOpyA
We didn't listen!
Heat is a good example how revealing just communication can be. That's why I always suggest to focus on communication - not just the "talking-part" but everything what a team communicates and how it's done and sometimes even more important: what not. Every expression is communication and there is no communication without intention.
I personally never invest once I find what I call a "negative-pattern". Weaknesses are always to find, even in the best projects. Nobody is perfect. But negative patterns, like a lack of accuracy or clear signs of dishonesty or whatever, is usually a clear sign to stay away. Because there is a high probability that it not only will continue, but also have impact on a lot of other aspects of a project, that are not visible but would be important for success.
February 18, 2017, 10:37:48 PM
In preparation for closing this thread, my previous post was provocative in purpose to demonstrate how feeding the the operators of chaos reveals the agenda therewith, disclosing the swift unsophisticated retaliation that in long term hinders the business objectives of Heat Ledger Ltd.
Good bye Stewieb and all the inspiring sockpuppets! We have about 24 hours to roam about over here.
Good bye Stewieb and all the inspiring sockpuppets! We have about 24 hours to roam about over here.
February 18, 2017, 10:03:54 PM
Besides the fact that you guys did not prepare basic informations like a Whitepaper, and besides the fact that you list a lot of "headline-incentives" to buy the ICO in the Ann without detailing it out to give more information which would give more trust, it's especially the way you react on questions that makes me suspicious. I see dishonesty in that. (...)
And the best idea is nothing if the team behind wouldn't be able to deliver or if the team behind acts dishonest. And you show both. Not saying that I believe you plan a scam. But I believe that the team behind this project has a clear priority to make money first and there is a lot of risk that there will be a lot of justifications later to not deliver. Or if, that it will also show this pattern: Rushed out, not thoughtful, not accurate, lazy, without strategy, and so on. (...)
February 18, 2017, 09:18:05 PM
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Regarding 2. Are you retarded or something? I am talking about the HEAT that ccex is supposed to give you back, the coins they received
This is a surprisingly good question considering your challenged state. The C-CEX coins we were forced to buy back by c-cex will be used for company development. Probably we'll hand them out for stock buyers in round 2 funding. Other venues are possible. Did that answer your concerns?BTW Stewie it's Saturday - the prime night of the week for all mentally challenged personalities. We figured you're high on testosterone. I managed to record a footleg - did you by any chance happen to have a fight tonight?
Never mind the intrusion if that's not you, we're just trying to be nice for good customers. We'll soon be moving on to the moderated thread to cut all the off-topic. Meanwhile we thought you'd enjoy the endorsement as you've such a prominent cheerleader of HEAT since a long time.
February 18, 2017, 07:37:42 PM
Heat goes into the correct direction now, the devs turned out to be legit guys, they are developing things, and the price is a bit higher than ico, it is decent for us.
February 18, 2017, 07:29:24 PM
Let's rephrase what Dennis intended to write about the development situation a couple of days back -
Development and testing of HEAT mainnet transactions engine is complete. Asset-to-asset exchange development is complete, extensive automated testing in its final phases. Depending on various things, completion of tests is expected within 3 to 5 days. This isn't certain but likely.
Those are the two parts that form the absolute essential HEAT core, without which launch isn't possible.
Microservices (Heat's implementation of "DAPP") are also near complete, testing pending.
While tests are being finalized we're currently blazing through microservices implementation of the decentralized Bitcoin gateway on the HEAT wallet. It's nearly essential feature of the HEAT launch, and has a sizable impact on the liquidity of the HEAT token because it makes the decentralized trading possible. We'll have to see how quickly development on that goes and whether we need to launch the token without this facility due to the increasing pressure. Launch without the decentralized BTC/HEAT trading would be greatly detrimental. If all goes smooth on that it's possible to include this feature in the launch of the HEAT mainnet that we consider realistic to launch within the first half of January.
Obviously some people see things only through the black and white prism of the altcoin world where real corporate operations behind a coin are unusual. It's then difficult to understand how business development works, thus some freak out and gradually degenerate into trollish behaviour, harming the venture to some extent and especially undermining their own chances of success (through HEAT token's pricing prospects in this case, when patience runs out to wait for the planned features). This is unfortunate but it was expected with the unforeseen delays in delivery.
Note for the refund seekers - Investment into HEAT tokens was a no-refund proposal all the way. This was made clear at the time of participation. It was corporate funding round, fully accounted for and legally binding to company assets. In exchange investors receive the HEAT tokens that have a high chance of considerable value appreciation due to our long term work and structuration of the project.
We will deliver the tokens, so please may I ask to hold your horses in the mindless outbursts that only harm your own investment. We're not fresh to business overall, nor crypto business. We know what is wise and what's unwise. It would be foolish beyond comprehension to fail on delivery of a token, or change its main features to something completely else than proposed originally. On the contrary it is wise to produce value to investors through unique means. I've done my living as an entrepreneur for about 20 years - do you think cheating takes you that far? No, wisdom in producing value for customers does. But 5 months of delay in producing the first 3rd generation crypto has nothing to do with wisdom or lack of it. It's a necessity that we've got to tolerate despite the level of frustration that's far beyond that of any investor. Why - Because our success or failure depends on that more than yours. We've put all in. On top of that there's the pressure from a few hundred investors.
In case the structure for the HEAT tokens wasn't clear, here's a brief note of what they actually include, possibly containing some new info also:
Every 400 HEAT entitles to 1 stock option - redemption available shortly after genesis
Stock options are traded on the HEAT AE
Every stock option entitles to 50% reduction from one share of Heat Ledger Ltd's share release in 2017
Heat Ledger shares are traded on the Decentralized AE, one of the first of its kind, and enjoy company dividends from 2017 term onwards
About ICO funds: During the first 6 months of operation the company has burned less than 30% of its crypto funds, despite heavy requirements in ramping up business initially. The current spending expansion pace is sustainable and guarantees operations into at least the end of 2017 even without further funding (obtaining of which has however been top priority during the past 3 months, so missing it is unlikely).
Considering the product is 97% ready right now, this leaves us the whole 2017 for executing the business development preparations we've worked so hard towards from the early days of FIMK starting in 2014. The value we'll be able to bring to the HEAT token looks very bright to all insiders - Dennis, me and the advisors who we've let deep into the plans during the autumn. For the altcoiners, I can now make a promise:We will be using some ICO funds for price level support (in some form of buy walls, in a way that has the highest impact). I can't recall making explicit promises earlier. Personally I'm proud to have got a habit of keeping them whenever possible, so if there's any other impression please point out the reference and I'll humbly amend such a mistake.
Development and testing of HEAT mainnet transactions engine is complete. Asset-to-asset exchange development is complete, extensive automated testing in its final phases. Depending on various things, completion of tests is expected within 3 to 5 days. This isn't certain but likely.
Those are the two parts that form the absolute essential HEAT core, without which launch isn't possible.
Microservices (Heat's implementation of "DAPP") are also near complete, testing pending.
While tests are being finalized we're currently blazing through microservices implementation of the decentralized Bitcoin gateway on the HEAT wallet. It's nearly essential feature of the HEAT launch, and has a sizable impact on the liquidity of the HEAT token because it makes the decentralized trading possible. We'll have to see how quickly development on that goes and whether we need to launch the token without this facility due to the increasing pressure. Launch without the decentralized BTC/HEAT trading would be greatly detrimental. If all goes smooth on that it's possible to include this feature in the launch of the HEAT mainnet that we consider realistic to launch within the first half of January.
Obviously some people see things only through the black and white prism of the altcoin world where real corporate operations behind a coin are unusual. It's then difficult to understand how business development works, thus some freak out and gradually degenerate into trollish behaviour, harming the venture to some extent and especially undermining their own chances of success (through HEAT token's pricing prospects in this case, when patience runs out to wait for the planned features). This is unfortunate but it was expected with the unforeseen delays in delivery.
It is becasue past promises were not met.
By promises I suppose you mean delivery estimations. I'd like to point out that delivery times are NOT promises - they're best effort estimates that usually change in the software industry. It became clear that our delivery estimations are considered promises by many, thus we stopped giving them. Due to demand I've reluctantly given new estimates above, however they're still estimates and not promises. Anyhow we of course acknowledge the importance of achieving these latest estimates and understand the ramifications should delivery fall short.Note for the refund seekers - Investment into HEAT tokens was a no-refund proposal all the way. This was made clear at the time of participation. It was corporate funding round, fully accounted for and legally binding to company assets. In exchange investors receive the HEAT tokens that have a high chance of considerable value appreciation due to our long term work and structuration of the project.
We will deliver the tokens, so please may I ask to hold your horses in the mindless outbursts that only harm your own investment. We're not fresh to business overall, nor crypto business. We know what is wise and what's unwise. It would be foolish beyond comprehension to fail on delivery of a token, or change its main features to something completely else than proposed originally. On the contrary it is wise to produce value to investors through unique means. I've done my living as an entrepreneur for about 20 years - do you think cheating takes you that far? No, wisdom in producing value for customers does. But 5 months of delay in producing the first 3rd generation crypto has nothing to do with wisdom or lack of it. It's a necessity that we've got to tolerate despite the level of frustration that's far beyond that of any investor. Why - Because our success or failure depends on that more than yours. We've put all in. On top of that there's the pressure from a few hundred investors.
In case the structure for the HEAT tokens wasn't clear, here's a brief note of what they actually include, possibly containing some new info also:
Every 400 HEAT entitles to 1 stock option - redemption available shortly after genesis
Stock options are traded on the HEAT AE
Every stock option entitles to 50% reduction from one share of Heat Ledger Ltd's share release in 2017
Heat Ledger shares are traded on the Decentralized AE, one of the first of its kind, and enjoy company dividends from 2017 term onwards
About ICO funds: During the first 6 months of operation the company has burned less than 30% of its crypto funds, despite heavy requirements in ramping up business initially. The current spending expansion pace is sustainable and guarantees operations into at least the end of 2017 even without further funding (obtaining of which has however been top priority during the past 3 months, so missing it is unlikely).
Considering the product is 97% ready right now, this leaves us the whole 2017 for executing the business development preparations we've worked so hard towards from the early days of FIMK starting in 2014. The value we'll be able to bring to the HEAT token looks very bright to all insiders - Dennis, me and the advisors who we've let deep into the plans during the autumn. For the altcoiners, I can now make a promise:We will be using some ICO funds for price level support (in some form of buy walls, in a way that has the highest impact). I can't recall making explicit promises earlier. Personally I'm proud to have got a habit of keeping them whenever possible, so if there's any other impression please point out the reference and I'll humbly amend such a mistake.
And just caught another blatant lie! But to be honest I did not expect anything else from you! Let's see how he will weasel his way out of this one again... My guess is that "some form of buy wall" will mean some sort of buy wall on the btc market instead of the heat crap...
February 18, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
Where is the promised buy wall
There exists no such promise and it's detrimental for everyone to twist what has been said. What I've said is that there'll be support of the HEAT price level in a form best suited for the purpose. Simple buy wall isn't the best way to support the HEAT token price. We've been in this business since it was born, with trials behind us and know how to best support token price for maximum gain. It's in our best interest to increase token price in the most sustainable way. Sustainable doesn't comprise the usual large scale outsourced altcoin pumps we see weekly.Token price support measures will be taken when token tech is stable and market interest can be directed to it. Currently that's not the case. If you're focused on quick profit head elsewhere. If your aim is high profit stick with HEAT and have patience and be prepared for full loss or bonanza level profit.
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what happens with the ccex coins?
We're not ccex so cannot tell for sure. After the initial communication difficulties and showing the tech we're in good dialogue with ccex and they're willing to integrate HEAT wallet as soon as the network is stable, with regular advisory tech sessions being had between us. Integrating live duplex transfers would be foolish under the current network circumstances and we've advised them about that. Time zone differences between China and Europe increase to coordination difficulties. They have a lot of business, and they don't recognize HEAT as something special like many of us do. C-CEX have signaled to us they'll be applying the stake multiplier after the wallet is successfully integrated.Regarding 1. Yes price support, normally refered to as buy wall. But yeah since you seem to be from some other planet, what is this price support in your opinion? Is it developing heat further? What do you mean? Maybe if you were able to express yourself and make clear statement we wouldn't need to post a hundred tmes just to find out what you are saying or meaning! Again you made some wishywashy statement that let everyone of us think you meant a buy wall when you said buy support and now you just define your statement.
Regarding 2. Are you retarded or something? I am talking about the HEAT that ccex is supposed to give you back, the coins they received back when they opened the buy wall due to your complete incompetence of building a coin. And clearly you are also too incompetent to have a communication with ccex.
Regarding 2.1. I think ccex is wrong when they don't recognize that you are something special. I think this whole project is something really special! This is the most special coin I have ever seen. Such incompetence was never met in the cryptocoin sphere, in fact I think this incompetence to succeed in anything has never been met anywhere, anytime, in anything! I wish this whole thing was just a scam, then at least I could kiss my money goodbye and get over it. And that says a lot about the frustration level I have with this garbage, fucked up, failed project. At least you seem to acknowledge that this could be a full lost project! Finally some sense! "Bonanza level profit", this shit made me laugh! The only things that reached bonanza level in this bitch are my jokes and your incompetence! Ccex should just delist you, I don't think they can afford to hire 10 people just to administrate such a worthless coin.
February 18, 2017, 06:20:56 PM
Regarding C-CEX this is the only information at the moment:
(edit: oops, someone was faster)
Quote from: heatledger@slack Feb 15th
c-cex cannot complete wallet integration before transaction throughput on mainnet is fixed. I've requested technical clarification of the situation from Dennis and we're waiting for that.
Quote from: heatledger@slack Feb 18th
ccex don't comment on that [multiplying the coins] but have maintained signals they will only multiply once wallet successfully integrated
(edit: oops, someone was faster)
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