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MoveCrypto

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Quote from: mm0104 on January 21, 2017, 05:05:20 AM

For months we wanted to know what is going on and the communication only got less. No wonder it gets more and more rough in here. The only way to do something about it is to come out with the truth. He is killing the project and our investment

I can't wait for the follow up article by Forbes Magazine. Wink

It's their investment too that they put their family names behind. Svante and Dennis are the largest holders of HEAT. The market cap doesn't have to go very high before their holdings become worth more than the crypto they collected in ico.

Quote from: tetra on January 21, 2017, 05:07:05 AM

I am not trying to manipulate.

I have come to believe that something is definitely wrong here. FIMK was a clone, got funding, nothing happened. HEAT got a lot of funding and nothing ever happened except a new website design. A lot of signs point to a systematic fraud to steal money. And I see it as a moral duty to take countermeasures against fraudsters.

It's fine to respectfully express your opinion or concerns, but if you spam 30 pages of giant red letters telling someone to fuck off, you expect this will make them more motivated to give you what you want?

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Quote from: MoveCrypto on January 21, 2017, 04:51:22 AM

I will say it again, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

If you try to force someone to do something by crying like a baby, it more often has the exact opposite effect of what you want.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_can_catch_more_flies_with_honey_than_with_vinegar

For example, you want the devs to give more detailed updates on BCT, so you spam negativity to try to increase likelihood of this?

It actually has the opposite effect of making people want to spend less time in a negative environment or completely ignore requests embedded in negative posts.

Basic rules of persuasion and human psychology.

I am not trying to manipulate.

I have come to believe that something is definitely wrong here. FIMK was a clone, got funding, nothing happened. HEAT got a lot of funding and nothing ever happened except a new website design. A lot of signs point to a systematic fraud to steal money. And I see it as a moral duty to take countermeasures against fraudsters.

mm0104

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For months we wanted to know what is going on and the communication only got less. No wonder it gets more and more rough in here. The only way to do something about it is to come out with the truth. He is killing the project and our investment, but also his reputation. Storys like that spread extremely well.

I can't wait for the follow up article by Forbes Magazine. Wink

MoveCrypto

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move that crypto

I will say it again, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

If you try to force someone to do something by crying like a baby, it more often has the exact opposite effect of what you want.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_can_catch_more_flies_with_honey_than_with_vinegar

For example, you want the devs to give more detailed updates on BCT, so you spam negativity to try to increase likelihood of this?

It actually has the opposite effect of making people want to spend less time in a negative environment or completely ignore requests embedded in negative posts.

Basic rules of persuasion and human psychology.

tetra

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Quote from: Crapsy on January 21, 2017, 04:42:59 AM

Rest assured. There is no deception and your investment will not be in vain @Tetra. I am sure that both Svante And Dennis are working minute in minute out, just like was said, that the launch will happen A.S.A.P.

It's been a long wait, and sure, the delays always takes their toll, but we are so close now. Hold on for a few moments more.

I stated months ago that I will wait until February. I am just preparing for the worst case.

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Rest assured. There is no deception and your investment will not be in vain @Tetra. I am sure that both Svante And Dennis are working minute in minute out, just like was said, that the launch will happen A.S.A.P.

It's been a long wait, and sure, the delays always takes their toll, but we are so close now. Hold on for a few moments more.

tetra

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Quote from: LiskEnterprise on January 21, 2017, 04:21:34 AM

Quote from: tetra on January 21, 2017, 04:14:29 AM

Can someone from Finland please go to the police and open a legal case?
I think the community (me at least) will do all the necessary work and carry the costs of that, but it will be the only chance to do something against Svante and Dennis

Do you mean?

"Hello Mr Policeman I send some of my real money to the internet to get some pretend money but the pretend money never came.. Can you help get it back?"

Policeman, "Where is the real money now? ... Well i sent the real money to Lord Vitalik in Etherium land and i held that pretend money for while then swapped that token for the new type of token i never got."

Easy really...

How do you propose to do all the necessary work when you need someone else to go to the police station?

I mean that there is someone, obviously deceiving people to get their money. That is a crime. WE can collect the lies, deceptions and the police might be able to force them to provide evidence that they are not scamming. Everything, that requires research or writing can be done by me/us

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Quote from: tetra on January 21, 2017, 04:14:29 AM

Can someone from Finland please go to the police and open a legal case?
I think the community (me at least) will do all the necessary work and carry the costs of that, but it will be the only chance to do something against Svante and Dennis

Do you mean?

"Hello Mr Policeman I send some of my real money to the internet to get some pretend money but the pretend money never came.. Can you help get it back?"

Policeman, "Where is the real money now? ... Well i sent the real money to Lord Vitalik in Etherium land and i held that pretend money for while then swapped that token for the new type of token i never got."

Easy really...

How do you propose to do all the necessary work when you need someone else to go to the police station?

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Can we get some UI screenshots please devs?

tetra

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Can someone from Finland please go to the police and open a legal case?
I think the community (me at least) will do all the necessary work and carry the costs of that, but it will be the only chance to do something against Svante and Dennis

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Quote from: mm0104 on January 21, 2017, 03:15:29 AM

Quote from: kjadB on January 21, 2017, 03:10:33 AM

Has the genesis block account numbers and balances been published anywhere?

Yes. http://pastebin.com/vEjEWQmj

thanks!

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Quote from: kjadB on January 21, 2017, 03:10:33 AM

Has the genesis block account numbers and balances been published anywhere?

Yes. http://pastebin.com/vEjEWQmj

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Has the genesis block account numbers and balances been published anywhere?

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After careful thought, what happened is the guys behind this ran the ICO campaign to see how much funding could be made.

If not succesful, why waste money and resources on coding.

If succesful, go hire some coders from India/China/whatever and ask to write out the code in hopes that it would be ready by launch date.

Of course, these off site coders did not work out as intended and thus we come to this current situation.

This actually happened with Alcurex (based somewhere in Finnland I believe).

Alcurex webmaster hired Indian coders and then had to hire better coders until eventually it is what it is today.

I'm sure many here don't know that these projects secure the funding, then outsource the coding to shut investors up. Meanwhile the foreign coders have little knowledge of what's going on, all they care is that they have a job.

Technically it's not a scam, but huge misinformation delivered to those who invested.

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Quote from: LiskEnterprise on January 20, 2017, 11:19:05 PM

A white paper is like a promotional piece and advertising product.

You must be kidding or being involved.

Quote from: LiskEnterprise on January 20, 2017, 11:19:05 PM

It is clear it is not ready..

Everyone accept that it is not ready.

Maybe those involved in the scam accept it. Not the people who have been lured into this by false promises, fantasy dates and blatant lies about the readiness of the product before the ICO even started.

I demand a statement on all of this early today.

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I think it is clear they are both tech qualified, forged over at Nxt testnet. The lead developer and testing quality control is Elphiaz, becasue they have asked no outside help in testing and trial breaking of their systems.

They consider they can do it in house and mostly is has been established by FIMK chain.

There is so much negative buildup on release i am sure many expect a dump so to off load past two years of FIM ownership and those who want out now due to delays and in fighting, as seen in this thread.

A white paper is like a promotional piece and advertising product.

All we have to go on is the NXT background and the FIM product chain.

All HEAT is is a tweeking of that core with enhancements to speed due to database changes.

And chaining together program contracts and services.

It is clear it is not ready..

Everyone accept that it is not ready.

Look at Supernet community and testing cycle and compare to HEAT.

Supernet worked flat out publicly for three years with huge community testing.

Heat is six months with no community and no public testing.

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4.3.2.1.

HEAT IS A SCAM!

I have been yelling this from the start, everyone now knows but for weeks people were acting like sheep up in here. Thank god that attitude changed and now you all get it.
Next time invest in a good project with mass appeal and forget these niche coin scams.

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Quote from: Eliphaz Fimk on January 19, 2017, 05:33:24 PM

Software schedules, expectations and feature readiness levels are always estimates that change until delivered. Expectations aren't promises. Estimates are in best case scenario spot on, usually they're more or less flexible - a fact I've personally hated too but have come to understand and accept when being forced to experience it first hand as the responsible party, yet outside immediate personal control.

Eliphaz Fimk , could you explain what you mean in the highlighted part ? I'm not sure as my english are poor , do you blame DeKlerk for the situation ?

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Quote from: bitdexter on January 20, 2017, 06:48:07 PM

we have to consider all possible scenerios at this point as things aren't squaring up

It would make a big difference in terms of law. If it is a scam it would mean it is international fraud, which would have VERY serious consequences! If Svantje Lethinen was scammed by Dennis de Klerk it would be a company internal problem where we are the unfortunate losers. But if he knew that let's say in September when the first deadline passed it is fraud again as he did not tell us about the true situation and continued to lie in our faces with the intention to raise even more money in a second ICO round. I would recommend him to come forward with the truth before it is too late! He has been warned!

HEAT IS A SCAM!

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Yep, your starting to see what i am getting at....

we have to consider all possible scenerios at this point as things aren't squaring up

As you are probably reading this Elphiaz, if i were you, i would make sure that i am very very clear as to what is being developed by your partner.

I know you might not understand anything he shows you, but you might be in a very legally compromising position without knowing it.

So be very very very very clear as to what Dennis de Klerk is working on. Push for a third party reviewer. Dennis de Klerk might be very against this and you have to question to yourself why.

I have seen more fucked up things than this possible scenerio in the 5 years i have been in crypto.

Take Moolah for example. Nobody who was working with him knew that it was a con.

I am not making a rash accusation, i am just telling you to be very clear as to what is going on.

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